They can carry whatever they want, a long as the they charge 3 dollars or twice the current first class rate. Wichever is greater. Wich they have no problem doing. Exclusive usually doesn't mean with exclusions. You stated they were y the only ones allowed to carry mail. They aren't. Your now twice submitted links to the same thing clearly states this.
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Postal Service Discussion
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That would be one of the definitions of urgent... wouldn't it.
They can only carry URGENT mail.
With the exception of "Urgent" mail. They are not allowed to carry mail. As you yourself have quoted that law.
Removing the requirement that only the USPS carry mail would allow USPS a much more consistent delivery schedule. As with anything, volume brings the price down. If they are delivering several items to every house on the block, that becomes immeasurably cheaper than delivering one item to one house every few blocks.
Your getting hung up on the word urgent. ANY mail can be considered urgent. Your not proving any point by repeating the same thing. You are also ignoring they deliver mail on a daily basis. And charge far more then the minimum allowed by law. When you bring something new to the argument you might be able to prove a point. Til then, all you have done is bring up moot points, or been flat out wrong.
Few problems with that statement. First, there is NO requirement that only the usps carry mail. Your twice posted link clearly states that. Read it. Second, the uspshas a consistent delivery schedule. Third, no company will deliver ANYTHING for the minimum price, yet removing that minimum would allow them to deliver it cheaper? Logic and reading comprehension are lost on some people.That same law doesn't differentiate between a letter and a"package". That's right, there is a legal minimum price for EVERYTHING carried by a private currier. Thing is, nobody would dream if charging that minimum. Let alone to some of the rural areas the usps does, for that same 50
You're completely ignoring the fact that who wants to ship a normal letter as an "urgent" letter and pay more for it. Because it costs UPS more per letter than the postal service, they HAVE to charge more to make a profit. If they were allowed to send any mail, they'd be sending more mail, and the price it costs them per letter would go down then, which they could then put back onto the customer. They could lower costs and make more money than they're making currently. The fact of the matter is. USPS and UPS aren't in competition in terms of mail, sure you can say well just send the mail as urgent. What person wants to pay $3 when you can get it around 6x cheaper.
You still probably don't get it, as he's said this many times...
now ignoring the fact that a 3 dollar minimum is not the reason they charge 6. And if you think without that minimum they would be willing to match the price of the usps,
and make a loss, you are delusional. Considering their cheapest rate is double the minimum, and a full 400%, taking away the minimum price is not gonna make them charge less. Yes, he has pointed this out over and over, and he might actually be right, IF, they actually charged the minimum. They charge more then the minimum, so this point is moot.
Hence the urgent part. Urgent is defined as being worth spending that money to get it there quicker.
Any mail not worth that (bills, junk mail) isn't allowed to be sent by anyone other than the USPS.
Period.
The cheapest rate to deliver to my house, involves driving 1 mile past every other delivery to deliver a single item (I live in the booneys).
Now, if they could deliver mail like the USPS, they would be stopping at EVERY house, and making money off of several letters per house. That mile that they drive out to my house would be full of paying customers, instead of driving all the way out to my house for a single delivery.
I'm sure that you get that the massive increase in volume would allow them to charge cheaper rates and still be extremely profitable... right?
You said they were the only ones aloud to deliver. Period. You were wrong. Now if you said they were the only ones allowed to deliver for under 3 dollars, I would have never argued. The minimum is a moot point, because they sure no desire to charge less then the minimum, if they did, they would charge the minimum. If that minimum was taken away, their rates would still be well above the usps. And if you have houses around you, then it is relatively cheap for them to deliver to you. Imagine living in one if the many place where the usps is your only option. You really think ups, or fed ex would deliver ANYTHING to Juno Alaska for fifty cents. Lemme guess, if they didn't have 3 dollar minimum.
Bob Maxey
Android Expert
I can UPS/FedEx a birthday card, a grocery shopping list, a message to my brother telling him to give me money, or just about anything else I want to send. No restrictions.
So this idea of Urgent mail is perhaps a tad misleading because other carriers can deliver "mail."
I can ship parcels, books, videos, other items by UPS/FedEx. too. No restrictions.
What UPS/FedEx cannot do is handle the mail. And what UPS/FedEx does is NOT deliver the mail. They cannot deliver regular mail to a PO Box or put mail into the little slot in my door, or in my mail box. They cannot do what the USPS dpes so well for so many years.
Some of you seem to think that UPS/FedEx could do it cheaper and better. I am not so sure if they can because of the incredible volume of mail sent each day.
I dare say that the USPS is still a great value these days.
Bob Maxey
Bob Maxey
Android Expert
It is time to differentiate. What UPS/FedEx does has nothing to do with the mail. The word "mail" is used to define what the USPS does and only the USPS can deliver the mail.
Bob Maxey
lordofthereef
Android Expert
I have at least 10% of everything mailed to me never make it. Our box is locked, so it is not being tampered with by anyone else. Each person's experience is their own, but if I want to be SURE something arrives on time and well I avoid the USPS. Price may be great but sometimes I need to know it doesn't get lost.
PS How the hell did the discussion stray so far.
Hence the repeated use if the word "letter".
lunameow
Well-Known Member
Not caring about the actual argument, but since the other arguee doesn't feel like quoting it:
I quoted it a long time ago. He just didn't bother reading it.
RCLafnjack
Newbie
Quite frankly, my usps mail consists 95% junk/crap/advertisements etc. I do 99% of my bills online. Most of my purchases come via UPS or FEDEX.
If the post office went to 4 day deliveries I wouldn't care and quite fankly my mail delivery service is HORRID and couldn't get much worse, I may have the laziest Postman in the entire usps. If it was privatized, it would go bankrupt in a year.
If the post office went to 4 day deliveries I wouldn't care and quite fankly my mail delivery service is HORRID and couldn't get much worse, I may have the laziest Postman in the entire usps. If it was privatized, it would go bankrupt in a year.
NYCHitman1
Gun for Hire
Tell me about it. I mailed something important from NY to PA 2 weeks ago and it still hasn't arrived. I've called multiple times and "it's lost"
That's quite an accusation. I read it, and I understand it. It is designed to prevent FedEx and UPS from competing with the USPS, but allowing them to carry letters that are urgent (i.e. wouldn't get there fast enough with the USPS).
Volume matters.
If UPS could deliver regular mail, the price would come down on everything that they deliver. Their entire route would become a profit center, instead of the few places that they deliver to now.
If UPS was allowed to deliver the 681 Million items that the USPS does each day, and only made $.05 profit on each item... That's an additional $34 Million.
Except when they don't.
But they always do. When it gets close, they raise their rates. They pull in NO money from the feds. They have operated in that's the black for 95% of their existence. Nice try though.