i quoted the second source to show that the fed ran it until 1971, i have no idea where they got the budget data
but the first source is quoteing USPS chief financial officer at that time Richard Strasser, and well he should know
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i quoted the second source to show that the fed ran it until 1971, i have no idea where they got the budget data
but the first source is quoteing USPS chief financial officer at that time Richard Strasser, and well he should know
You know what, it doesn't matter. They don't aim to make a profit. They ARE self sustaining. That IS the reason they are "off budget". They are NOT a regular business, and even businesses that ARE for profit LOSE MONEY(you like ignoring this one {fed ex for example has lost 7 billion since 2007 with half the revenue, a quarter the employees, and no retirement}). They also have a prefunded retirement. They are the ONLY ones to deliver to a lot of places across the nation. They EXACTLY what they are suppose to do. Prove ANY of that wrong, instead of what I have repeatedly said is besides the point. Otherwise, it is still you 1 me 6.
And, BOTH of your sources are shit.
And, BOTH of your sources are shit.
Just in case you missed this.
didnt miss it, im waiting on proof, i call bs, on all your claims
(if you can do it so can i)
I didn't just call bs, I conceded it({a long time ago}that means you are right, yet you still felt the need to argue ONLY this point), said it was beside the point(meaning it had nothing to do with the argument at hand (still, you felt the need to argue ONLY this point). And I pointed out your sources contradicted each other(but yet you STILL stand behind them as slid sources {that have nothing to do with the argument at hand}). But whatever, 6 to 1.
For 30 years and stay in business... oh wait, that wasn't the point you were looking to make.
Can you give me the reason that you believe that Richard Strasser's statement's about the USPS producing a deficit are shit?
Richard Strasser said:
And for you.
technicly no, but they borrow from the treasury, now where does that money come from?
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Postal workers are federal employees with more benefits than most federal employees, yet I am supposed to believe that the USPS is not getting any taxpayer dollars?
Hell, I'd rather pay for healthcare out of those non-tax payer dollars than for the freak of nature to drive that mail truck up and down my street to deliver mail that was meant for a house three streets over to me.
Hell, I'd rather pay for healthcare out of those non-tax payer dollars than for the freak of nature to drive that mail truck up and down my street to deliver mail that was meant for a house three streets over to me.
From the same place it gets paid back too. With interest to boot. Now how many companies have received money from the gov? How many of those companies got more than a billion?
The employees get federal status. Their pay AND benefits are paid for from the usps. Take away their employees, you take away the ability to receive that non-taxpayer money. They are self sustaining. Now, if you would like to discuss the pros and cons if having a a healthcare system modeled in the same manner, I'm game. However, it should probably be in another thread as to save the mods the trouble.
i have issues with that too
but the post office has not paid it back, they are close to thier current limit of 15billion, thats why they want to change things
And you just pointed out that our ENTIRE banking system is taxpayer funded if you want to continue down this road.
Wow,15 billion for an orginaztion with an Operating of 80 billion after 30 years. That's pennies compared to GM after a. FEW bad years. And GM is TINY compared to the usps. And no, I'm a small business owner that realizes the value he gets from the usps.
no the treasry does not leand money, thats the federal reserve
the treasury colllects taxes via the irs, and manages the gov revenue
I didn't read this whole post, but two things.
1. I hate the mail. I wish I could cancel mine. I've never received anything meaningful via usps that I couldn't or didn't already get some other way.
2.
Part of the reason the post office is loosing money all the time isn't because of overpaid CEOs but over paid union labor.
$50,000 a year to stuff letters in a box or work as a clerk? A job that can be done by nearly any half way competent fool.
Federal employees can retire after 20 years of work if they want... get a job at the USPS when your 20, making 50k. work 20 years and retire at 40... sweet deal, all handed to you by US tax payers. (who work much longer, harder and smarter for less money)
Thats robbing tax payers just the same!
Monkeys can do their job, and they get paid way more than anyone in the private sector for the same work. And still bitch about how hard their job is, and demand more. F their Union!
1. I hate the mail. I wish I could cancel mine. I've never received anything meaningful via usps that I couldn't or didn't already get some other way.
2.
Part of the reason the post office is loosing money all the time isn't because of overpaid CEOs but over paid union labor.
$50,000 a year to stuff letters in a box or work as a clerk? A job that can be done by nearly any half way competent fool.
Federal employees can retire after 20 years of work if they want... get a job at the USPS when your 20, making 50k. work 20 years and retire at 40... sweet deal, all handed to you by US tax payers. (who work much longer, harder and smarter for less money)
Thats robbing tax payers just the same!
Monkeys can do their job, and they get paid way more than anyone in the private sector for the same work. And still bitch about how hard their job is, and demand more. F their Union!
i never said they were not a value
but they are mismanaged.
they need to change alot to keep up with times. ditch saturday delivery, kick the union to the curb, raise rates (junkmail especially)
the problem is they are too cheap.
they are going to continue to lose money. many companies are stoppy catalogs and flyers and going to email/web.
people are doing online/bank transfers (2 days vs up to 2 weeks by the time its delivered and entered in the system)
I knew that, don't know why I said it.