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Postal Service Discussion

nlsme said:
The bills you pay online are mailed from your bank to their respective debtor. And they pull no money from the feds, so its not like they are "propped" up. They sustain themselves.
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ummm, things paid online are done via wire transfer, at least mine are

and the usps gets loans from the treasury, they dont have to go to a bank and beg like most business.

look at the news the postmaster has said they need to cut out saturday service to break even

Postal Service may drop Saturday delivery - Business - U.S. business - msnbc.com

they had a 8.5bill loss last year, double the previous year
Post Office posts $8.5 billion loss for last year - Business - U.S. business - msnbc.com
 
And they have had years with gains. Like I said, 95%. Yes some years are worse then others. How many private companies had losses this year, and last? The saturday delivery is just a way to make them recover. A loan is not a handout, and they have always paid them back. This has asll already been covered. My points still stand. And most companies well not accept a write transfer, hence the bank mails it, via usps.
 
Fed ex for example lost over 2 billion, and only had revenue half that of the usps. They are also not bound by the uso.
 
Okay, what you don't get is that just about every company had a bad year. When you are not suppose to make a profit, a downturn will easily turn into losses. However, fed ex is a publicly traded company. They have been operating in the red since 2007. Historically the post office has ran in the black. Hence the 95%. I keep making the same points to you, you just don't seen to get them.
 
nlsme said:
Okay, what you don't get is that just about every company had a bad year. When you are not suppose to make a profit, a downturn will easily turn into losses. However, fed ex is a publicly traded company. They have been operating in the red since 2007. Historically the post office has ran in the black. Hence the 95%. I keep making the same points to you, you just don't seen to get them.
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Man, you keep being proven wrong, and then change your argument as if that is what it always was?

I mean, if you aren't going to be consistent in your argument, I guess you never will feel that you were proven wrong... but come on now..
 
Proven wrong? I keep making the same exact points. How is that changing? Just because I had to explain what 95% means to you. You have yet to make ONE solid point, that was not immediately disprove. And 7500 jobs is not a lot, considering wal mart is the only employer with more employees.
 
2005, considering how long they have been in existance, and the fact fed ex has been in the same boat. My points stand.
 
your right
USPS Ends Year with a Profit

Nonetheless, “2004 and 2005 are the first two years that the USPS showed an actual profit since the Postal Service was reorganized in 1971,” says Strasser. “The prior 32 years all produced deficits.”

2 out of the las 39 years isnt too bad
 
nlsme said:
Okay, what you don't get is that just about every company had a bad year. When you are not suppose to make a profit, a downturn will easily turn into losses.
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What do you think a non-profit organization does, try to match up their expenses and revenues so that they don't gain or lose a penny? Like a for-profit company a non-profit's financial goal is to have excess revenue. The difference is for-profits can realize the excess revenue as profits for the owners/shareholders while non-profit's must use the excess revenue to help ensure the continuation of their services, like during a "bad year."
 
No, I just realized it is fruitless debating something with people who have no reading comprehension skills, and constantly nit pic wording over debating the point of the argument. Good day. Your right, they don't make money. Thus the term "in the black" is misleading. They have ben within their operating budget 95% of the time. They are the only way rural areas have access. And they receive no federal money, and have pre funded retirement. The usps is far from a failure, and it is actually a shining example of what the government does right. And a random guy making a random statement on a random website is not research.
 
nlsme said:
No, I just realized it is fruitless debating something with people who have no reading comprehension skills, and constantly nit pic wording over debating the point of the argument. Good day. Your right, they don't make money. Thus the term "in the black" is misleading. They have ben within their operating budget 95% of the time. They are the only way rural areas have access. And they receive no federal money, and have pre funded retirement. The usps is far from a failure, and it is actually a shining example of what the government does right. And a random guy making a random statement on a random website is not research.
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can you provide proof? i quoted a source.
im just asking for real numbers
 
Your "source"is hardly that. The reason the usps is "off budget" IS because they are "self sustaining". How about YOU do some research BEFORE you debate.
 
Its true. I might be a random guy making a random statement on this random website. I really hope someone doesn't link to it, and brag of their "source".
 
Dude, before the reorganization, it was the personal piggy back of many presidents. The reorginization made it"off budget"because it was self sustaining, and thus, did not need to be in the budget. Can you comprehend that. Can you comprehend your "source" is shit? Can you comprehend, this "debate"has gone way off of my original statement. Your right, and I admitted this, in that "in the black" was a misleading term. You nit pic my wording, but have yet to disprove the substance.
 
Oh, and your last 2 sources are contradicting. The first says the usps ran a deficit for all but 2 years since 1971, the second says they have had a billion dollar profit each of the past 5 years. Get back to me when you have a clue what you are talking about.
 
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