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Pro Photographer shoots with Note 2

Shiva, how do you get rid of the lens distortion in the Note 2 camera?
I find that anything in the periphery of the frame gets distorted pretty badly - do you shoot in the center and crop off the distorted bits?

Look at the front wheel on the right hand bike in this pic -
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that's a minor price to pay for convenience. It doesn't bother me, as it is after all a phone camera. But as you have suggested you can shoot wider and then crop.
 
SHIVA77 said:
that's a minor price to pay for convenience. It doesn't bother me, as it is after all a phone camera. But as you have suggested you can shoot wider and then crop.
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Thanks Shiva, convenient it is!
Traditionally I always travelled with my phone and usually a reasonably good Canon Powershot "point and shoot" camera.
I honestly don't bother taking any camera with me these days - The Note does it all and much better movies.
Distortion is my only bugbear.

I will try to stand back a bit and then crop!
 
One more. See it in the original size. The plus side of a small sensor is that, at night if you are careful with the images, it can look like a painting. :)

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You may be right for the great "unwashed masses". For the average, everyday consumer, you are right ... compact cameras have already or quickly will lose all of their appeal. But so-called "pro-sumer" cameras will not be completely gone in 5 years. It will definitely become a niche market (frankly it already has), but will not disappear entirely.

There will always be a market for photography enthusiasts who are not willing to completely sacrifice quality for convenience. I mean lower end DSLRs or higher end compacts. There will be great strides in phone cameras in the coming years, but there will also continue to be great strides in compact and pro cameras as well.

Pro photography equipment will come down in price, but then they will come out with 120 megapixel, 60 FPS full resolution photo cameras for the pros, and they will continue to be priced too high for normal people. But some people are passionate about taking good pictures and you can't believe these people will have only two choices -- camera phones or pro-DSLRs? Really??
 
in the future 98% of all photos will be taken with the phone or tablet. the remaining 1% using pro equipment and the balance 1% will use fringe enthusiast cameras.
 
I think any kind of attachment is akin to taking a second camera with you. the bottom line is convenience and that's where a phone camera can shine, plus post processing. who's got room for that lens? and if you do, you might as well take a good camera with you.

because phone cameras have limited zoom capability right now, we are seeing these alternative solutions, in a few years almost all the shortcomings of phone cameras will be resolved.
 
SHIVA77 said:
in the future 98% of all photos will be taken with the phone. the remaining 1% using pro equipment and the balance 1% will use fringe enthusiast cameras.
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Maybe ... there is no doubting the the vast, overwhelming majority will be phone pictures. But like I said, advanced compacts will still be here for a niche market.
 
advanced compacts will still be here for a niche market.
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yes, there is always room for fringe products, but they will be pushed more and more into the corner as technology on phone cameras advances.

there is no doubting the the vast, overwhelming majority will be phone pictures.
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I live in a very touristy area, as you can imagine from my shots of the Manhattan skyline. I see a lot of pics being taken. right now I would guess that about 30% are with DSLRs or good compacts. I see a lot of small DSLRs hanging from people's shoulders.

Mind you, I see only Canon or Nikon brands. Zero mirrorless such as Pana or Oly. Maybe if I am out 50 times I may see one person using a Panasonic mirroless, that's how rare they are (I shoot with one). Almost all of the people who decide to carry a DSLR to the waterfront are using almost equal amount of Canon of Nikon. I would say maybe 60% Canon and 40% Nikon. Another rarity is compacts, I see at this time maybe 5% compacts. It seems if tourists want to bother to bring a camera they go for the real thing.

I would guess in 3 years, we'd see no compacts at all. and about 10% DSLRs and the rest phone or tablet. In 5 years, the phones and tablets would totally dominate the tourist photo tools.
 
SHIVA77 said:
because phone cameras have limited zoom capability right now, we are seeing these alternative solutions, in a few years almost all the shortcomings of phone cameras will be resolved.
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Wouldn't zoom be difficult to do for a smartphone regardless? Since it is going to use 100% digital and not optical? I always felt digital zoom always fell short compared to optical. But then, I'm no camera wizard.
 
difficult? we are living in the age of the impossible and we are just getting started. the Nokia 1020 already has a zoom solution. considering the vast r&d resources being spent on smartphones all such limitations will be resolved in 3 to 5 years.
 
The add-on lens that Sony inventive is more intuitive than I originally thought. Still have the same thoughts on it, Shiva?

Everything about the Sony QX10 and QX100 cameras

That seems pretty darn cool that you can remove the lens and hold it elsewhere, to take a picture of something. Could come in handy for people, when wanting to take a group picture, but not wanting to hand over their phone/camera to a stranger (of course, that's not realistic for picture taking at night, but still cool).
 
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That seems pretty darn cool that you can remove the lens and hold it elsewhere, to take a picture of something. Could come in handy for people, when wanting to take a group picture, but not wanting to hand over their phone/camera to a stranger (of course, that's not realistic for picture taking at night, but still cool).
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Actually the first thing I thought of when I saw the promo video was that... hmmm if you put a waterproof housing around it.. and attach it to the end of a drain snake... instant HD sewage cam! LOL :D

When the guy holds the lens in his hand to take pictures, it also makes me think of the monster in Pan's Labyrinth with eye in his hand. Creepy. :p
 
The add-on lens that Sony inventive is more intuitive than I originally thought. Still have the same thoughts on it, Shiva?
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It's just doesn't make sense as far as the convenience is concerned. Compacts/digicams are going away because no one wants to carry them around. Now Sony wants us to carry a really bulky and fat product? Why? Not me.

If that's your aim, to carry another camera with you, you can get a Canon S100 Series and be done with it. It's thin, small and powerful. And if you are worried about social media connectivity of your image, since when does FB or Instagram care about image quality.
 
SHIVA77 said:
It's just doesn't make sense as far as the convenience is concerned. Compacts/digicams are going away because no one wants to carry them around. Now Sony wants us to carry a really bulky and fat product? Why? Not me.

If that's your aim, to carry another camera with you, you can get a Canon S100 Series and be done with it. It's thin, small and powerful. And if you are worried about social media connectivity of your image, since when does FB or Instagram care about image quality.
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Very good points! This is why I like asking peeps (like yourself) that are into photography. While I may think something is "cool", people who are more knowledgeable and actually have photography as a hobby can give me reasons why it wouldn't be worth it.
 
SHIVA77 said:
difficult? we are living in the age of the impossible and we are just getting started. the Nokia 1020 already has a zoom solution. considering the vast r&d resources being spent on smartphones all such limitations will be resolved in 3 to 5 years.
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Interesting. To resolve such limitations would require a large sensor and huge megapixel count. To put a physical optical zoom lens into a phone is not practical and would bring back the brick phones of old if they did. Like the Samsung Zoom thing (whatever it was called). Do you know what the optical zoom equivalent would be on the Nokia?

But then lenses make the camera too, doesn't it? Thanks for the info. Very interesting stuff and seeing how advancements are being made in making the all-in-one device most general consumers are looking for.
 
we can't look at right now and say phone cameras will always be limited. the phone camera is the camera of the future for all. Even the pros will use it for non-paid shots.

The phone camera is it. you are looking at the future of photography for all. and due to this almost 100% public interest on this device for the purpose of photography, we will see amazing innovations. engineers will find ways to give us zooming and pic quality without bulk or weight. because they have to.
 
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I always saw/thought optical zoom being the one factor that would separate the phone cams from actual P&S/digicams. It'll definitely be interesting to see what the future holds in terms of phones becoming full fledged personal cameras.
 
It'll definitely be interesting to see what the future holds in terms of phones becoming full fledged personal cameras.
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Me too. But they'll find the way to get around the current way of looking at photography. Nokia has already done it, but it's not 100% there, but quite good. The camera takes a massive 41mp image (in reality is in the mid 30s MP) and all the areas in the pic are so rich in detail that you can zoom in afterwards and crop. A really good solution for 2013. But by 2016, IMO, we'll have this issue behind us.

There is also another concept of a multi-lens cellphone camera by Pelican which may or may not survive past prototype.

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