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bati6

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my wife have k10 and i have zenfone 2. when i test with antutu on my device im getting score of 64521
and when i test with k10 and go to search for looking my phone to compare, its says there that my device is 56745 score. and i compared with the same model ze551ml. so y its like this?
 
Who knows? It's presumably showing some sort of average for each device model, and the scores will depend on how hot the devices were when the test was run, what software versions they were running, etc. So there's no real reason to think that an individual device in a particular test will match the Antutu average for that model.

More importantly, why worry? If the device performs OK for your usage what do you care what the score for a particular set of artificial tests is? These synthetic benchmarks don't actually mean much anyway: there have been plenty of cases of devices producing high Antutu scores but suffering from lag in real world usage, and vice-versa. I stopped taking any notice of them at all years ago.
 
Who knows? It's presumably showing some sort of average for each device model, and the scores will depend on how hot the devices were when the test was run, what software versions they were running, etc. So there's no real reason to think that an individual device in a particular test will match the Antutu average for that model.

More importantly, why worry? If the device performs OK for your usage what do you care what the score for a particular set of artificial tests is? These synthetic benchmarks don't actually mean much anyway: there have been plenty of cases of devices producing high Antutu scores but suffering from lag in real world usage, and vice-versa. I stopped taking any notice of them at all years ago.
so if u dont trust bechmarks, how do u know who have better cpu? sometimes phones have similar cpu, so how can u know who is better? im asking this because i love to be update with the phones technology and i love to have the knowledge what cpu is good and what is not good. so what is the best way to compare cpu's phones? thanks :)
 
LOL, I haven't run a benchmark app in years...as @Hadron alluded to, there are so many variables that affect/impact your actual user experience on your device that make benchmark tools really meaningless for the vast majority of people.

Sure, if you want to see what your raw integer or floating point calculations per second are because you're going to use your device in a very math-intensive app, this might be helpful, but most folks don't and wouldn't care.

There are (or used to be) also some well-known tricks for artificially inflating these performance numbers--especially for the graphics/display components that render those metrics highly suspect.

;)
 
The thing is, "better cpu" is only part of the story: a more powerful SoC (System on a Chip) can be negated by poorly-optimised software, and a benchmark app will not tell you that because it isn't testing UI performance or RAM management when multitasking. Then it also depends on what you use the phone for, e.g. someone who spends 30-60 minutes at a time gaming will care about how the phone manages thermal load over that time, which a 1 minute Antutu run won't tell you (you can get a high graphics score in the 20 seconds or so it spends testing that, but if the phone throttles the gpu horribly after 10 minutes of gaming that benchmark score will have been very misleading). Other people who mainly use their phone for messaging and watching the odd video won't care about that at all. This is why I say that it's the performance of the device in your real usage that matters, not just some measure of what the SoC can do in artificial conditions.

And that's leaving aside the fact that many manufacturers were caught "gaming" the benchmarks, i.e. programming the devices to behave differently (e.g. run all clocks flat out regardless of temperature) when they detected that popular benchmarking apps were being run - making those benchmarks even less representative of real performance.

So it's a complex problem. Even accepting the limitations of benchmarking apps, the "overall" score isn't that useful because that mixes many things together; so the phone may get a high score due to a test of something that's not really a limitation in real use, leading to a decent "overall" score, but that may hide a poor performance on something that's important to you. Doing separate tests for things like speed of reading/writing to storage (sequential or random, which are not always correlated the way you would guess), single/multi-core computation tests, web browsing, frame rates in graphics benchmarks as a function of run time gives better information - look at something like an Anandtech review to see many different tests done on different aspects of phone performance. But at the end of the day even these are only imperfect indicators of how the device will perform in real use. People use them in reviews because they give quantifiable scores, which are easier to standardise and compare than real usage, but what's easily measurable and what actually matters are not necessarily the same thing. This is why I insist that the real test is "does it do what I want adequately" rather than anything else.
 
The thing is, "better cpu" is only part of the story: a more powerful SoC (System on a Chip) can be negated by poorly-optimised software, and a benchmark app will not tell you that because it isn't testing UI performance or RAM management when multitasking. Then it also depends on what you use the phone for, e.g. someone who spends 30-60 minutes at a time gaming will care about how the phone manages thermal load over that time, which a 1 minute Antutu run won't tell you (you can get a high graphics score in the 20 seconds or so it spends testing that, but if the phone throttles the gpu horribly after 10 minutes of gaming that benchmark score will have been very misleading). Other people who mainly use their phone for messaging and watching the odd video won't care about that at all. This is why I say that it's the performance of the device in your real usage that matters, not just some measure of what the SoC can do in artificial conditions.

And that's leaving aside the fact that many manufacturers were caught "gaming" the benchmarks, i.e. programming the devices to behave differently (e.g. run all clocks flat out regardless of temperature) when they detected that popular benchmarking apps were being run - making those benchmarks even less representative of real performance.

So it's a complex problem. Even accepting the limitations of benchmarking apps, the "overall" score isn't that useful because that mixes many things together; so the phone may get a high score due to a test of something that's not really a limitation in real use, leading to a decent "overall" score, but that may hide a poor performance on something that's important to you. Doing separate tests for things like speed of reading/writing to storage (sequential or random, which are not always correlated the way you would guess), single/multi-core computation tests, web browsing, frame rates in graphics benchmarks as a function of run time gives better information - look at something like an Anandtech review to see many different tests done on different aspects of phone performance. But at the end of the day even these are only imperfect indicators of how the device will perform in real use. People use them in reviews because they give quantifiable scores, which are easier to standardise and compare than real usage, but what's easily measurable and what actually matters are not necessarily the same thing. This is why I insist that the real test is "does it do what I want adequately" rather than anything else.

wow. That has got to be one of the awesome-est (yeah, that's right, it's a word...look it up :p ) replies about Antutu EVER :D
Bookmarked !!
 
And that's leaving aside the fact that many manufacturers were caught "gaming" the benchmarks, i.e. programming the devices to behave differently (e.g. run all clocks flat out regardless of temperature) when they detected that popular benchmarking apps were being run - making those benchmarks even less representative of real performance.

See also Volkswagen Emissions Scandal.
 
Check out also the side by side working comparison of an LG G5, and a SnapDragon S7. They get very similar scores on Antutu, but the SnapDragon S7 is slower than an LG G5, but both of them use the same CPU.

Overall Benchmarks only tell you how much a certain chip is capable off when the tests are taken individually. The final score should be ignored really. Because as Hadron already explained, it doesn't correlate with real life.

If you want to know what is the better CPU, you need to have at least a basic understanding of what the CPU is capable of and how it was built. What is the difference between CPU technologies. That would help you understand why a quad core chip like the SnapDragon 820 is faster than an octacore SnapDragon 615.

If I'm looking for which could be a better CPU, I go to the technical specs.
 
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You should only compare devices with the same CPU maker, it doesn't make sense to compare a Qualcomm with a MediaTek.
 
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