I am just wondering about this.....I had the same issue with my old LG phone..is it because all these phones have a flash memory? Are there any app's besides task managers that can close the app's for good?
I'm guessing that you are asking why you open task killer and see apps open when you haven't used them? If so, that is because they open in the background for caching of info and syncing. Some apps don't close properly and you have to go in there and manually tell it to exit or kill the task if you use a task killer. OTD seems to be really up on this and I'm sure she'll come behind me and offer some helpful insight.
I am just wondering about this.....I had the same issue with my old LG phone..is it because all these phones have a flash memory? Are there any app's besides task managers that can close the app's for good?
This whole do not use a task killer business does not explain why it DOES make my phone run faster if it has more than 50 MB of free ram...
People use it for wrong reasons. It kills apps immediately, rather than waiting for the OS to realize it's no longer in use. Apps that stream audio content, for me, do no shut down on their own and remain open in the background and continue to drain battery. Examples include the few times I use Pandora and MLB At Bat which is used daily.
That's why I use it. If my phone starts to lag while I'm typing (keyboard lag) I back out real quick and tap the the ATK widget to free it up.
I have mine customized to where it brings me back to 85+Mb every single time, regardless of what's running. I end up hitting it about twice a day, one during the day, once while on it at night.
Who said "do no use a task killer"? I don't remember that anywhere. I know that many have said that you don't need a task killer. Also people have told others that they might want to get rid of their task killer when they are having issues with the OS. Don't remember anyone saying do not use one though.
If you want one, have fun. Nobody is telling you that you can't use one. If you feel that it makes your phone faster, that is cool. My question is, how long do you actually keep that 50 MB of free RAM? I hear people talk about freeing up RAM, but I never hear how long they have that RAM for or what they need it for. I understand that the phone runs faster, but aren't you simply reallocating that RAM to another app? If not, then why do you need it in the first place? Not trying to start a whole debate, I'm just curious because I've never understood it.
I didn't post that to piss anyone off, I have just noticed that it is needed. It doesn't seem to me that any apps reopen on their own other than, stocks, peep, footprints, and the obvious ones that sync.
I just tried uninstalling mine and booting the phone without it on, the phone is almost useless running the apps in the background that run.
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I didn't post that to piss anyone off, I have just noticed that it is needed. It doesn't seem to me that any apps reopen on their own other than, stocks, peep, footprints, and the obvious ones that sync.
I just tried uninstalling mine and booting the phone without it on, the phone is almost useless running the apps in the background that run.
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I just tried uninstalling mine and booting the phone without it on, the phone is almost useless running the apps in the background that run.
Here is an explanation with proof. You should disregard many links to articles posted by a few anti-taskkiller members here as they do not go into more details like I do nor do they explain the lag caused when memory is low as I will explain with hard proof.This whole do not use a task killer business does not explain why it DOES make my phone run faster if it has more than 50 MB of free ram...
Here is an explanation with proof. You should disregard many links to articles posted by a few anti-taskkiller members here as they do not go into more details like I do nor do they explain the lag caused when memory is low as I will explain with hard proof.
People will argue that Android is Linux based and that Linux reallocates memory as needed. This maybe true but it is this EXACT process of reallocating memory that slows down the Eris and causes lag when you are low on memory. Unfortunately some members here think this process is magically instant. Its not. No phone is any where near the speed of PCs and reallocating memory on the eris takes time and this time is the extra lag you feel when you are low on memory.
When the system is low on memory the process of reallocating memory is not instant and you can see this very easily by simply using an App called aLogcat. There you can clearly see all processes running, even Android system processes. What is great about this little app is you can see the memory reallocation processes and the times it takes to process. These times are exactly parallel to the extra lag you and I feel when the device is low on memory.
This is the main reason why you need task killer apps, to keep your Eris memory free so that these reallocation processes do not occur.
I have researched this topic quite a lot and the proof is undeniable. Unfortunately some anti-taskkiller members refuse to acknowledge this, turn their heads, and point to articles that simply state "Android is Linux based and reallocates memory as needed so you don’t need a task killer app" yet these articles completely overlook the lag that is caused due to these processes and do not answer questions like you have asked.
Well my friend, you now have an answer. Yes, you do need your task killer app.
Please re-read his concern. He wanted to know why his phone still runs faster when he frees up memory with a taskkill app instead of letting Android manage it. The article you point to in your sig does not have an answer and completely overlooks the consequences of letting Android reallocate memory on its own. I though my replay was well constructed, informative, and with accurate information which anyone can see for themselves. Dont you agree????
And yet again, telling someone that they have to have something or can't have something on their own phone is just silly. Just as silly as telling everyone that they should buy a different phone because they don't like a single feature.
I still don't think you have actually read any of my posts. If you had then you wouldn't make half the comments that you make.
As I have said before, people need to make their own mind up on this issue. Try the phone both ways while using it properly and determine what works best for them. The claim that anything is a need or as you mean it a necessity on someone else's phone is both foolish and rather arrogant.
Please re-read his concern. He wanted to know why his phone still runs faster when he frees up memory with a taskkill app instead of letting Android manage it. The article you point to in your sig does not have an answer and completely overlooks the consequences of letting Android reallocate memory on its own. I though my replay was well constructed, informative, and with accurate information which anyone can see for themselves. Dont you agree????
As a side note, the other day you have asked me nicely to be nice and now you are instigating me? Why?
You are changing the subject. We all know the phone will work without task killer apps. Again, he wanted to know why his phone works FASTER when he uses them. There is no "proper" way to use your phone in this situation. Since Android does not remove applications from RAM when they are closed, no matter what you do the available RAM will get used up one way or another as soon as you start using applications. Other than using task killer apps (or rebooting your phone which takes forever) there is nothing you can do to free memory and avoid the Android memory reallocation processes which have proven to be the cause of slow downs once memory becomes low.The simple fact that I can use my phone, as can others, with out one takes away this supposed necessity. The fact that you are even unwilling to suggest that someone tries to learn about using their phone properly without one doesn't help either.
You are changing the subject. We all know the phone will work without task killer apps. Again, he wanted to know why his phone works FASTER when he uses them. There is no "proper" way to use your phone in this situation. Since Android does not remove applications from RAM when they are closed, no matter what you do the available RAM will get used up one way or another as soon as you start using applications. Other than using task killer apps (or rebooting your phone which takes forever) there is nothing you can do to free memory and avoid the Android memory reallocation processes which have proven to be the cause of slow downs once memory becomes low.
All I did was explain to him why his phone works faster when he kills off apps from memory with task killers. He was not interested in why his phone plainly works without them.
When does an application "stop"?
A common misunderstanding about Android multitasking is the difference between a process and an application. In Android these are not tightly coupled entities: applications may seem present to the user without an actual process currently running the app; multiple applications may share processes, or one application may make use of multiple processes depending on its needs; the process(es) of an application may be kept around by Android even when that application is not actively doing something.
The fact that you can see an application's process "running" does not mean the application is running or doing anything. It may simply be there because Android needed it at some point, and has decided that it would be best to keep it around in case it needs it again. Likewise, you may leave an application for a little bit and return to it from where you left off, and during that time Android may have needed to get rid of the process for other things.
A key to how Android handles applications in this way is that processes don't shut down cleanly. When the user leaves an application, its process is kept around in the background, allowing it to continue working (for example downloading web pages) if needed, and come immediately to the foreground if the user returns to it. If a device never runs out of memory, then Android will keep all of these processes around, truly leaving all applications "running" all of the time.
Of course, there is a limited amount of memory, and to accommodate this Android must decide when to get rid of processes that are not needed. This leads to Android's process lifecycle, the rules it uses to decide how important each process is and thus the next one that should be dropped. These rules are based on both how important a process is for the user's current experience, as well as how long it has been since the process was last needed by the user.
Once Android determines that it needs to remove a process, it does this brutally, simply force-killing it. The kernel can then immediately reclaim all resources needed by the process, without relying on that application being well written and responsive to a polite request to exit. Allowing the kernel to immediately reclaim application resources makes it a lot easier to avoid serious out of memory situations.
If a user later returns to an application that's been killed, Android needs a way to re-launch it in the same state as it was last seen, to preserve the "all applications are running all of the time" experience. This is done by keeping track of the parts of the application the user is aware of (the Activities), and re-starting them with information about the last state they were seen in. This last state is generated each time the user leaves that part of the application, not when it is killed, so that the kernel can later freely kill it without depending on the application to respond correctly at that point.
In some ways, Android's process management can be seen as a form of swap space: application processes represent a certain amount of in-use memory; when memory is low, some processes can be killed (swapped out); when those processes are needed again, they can be re-started from their last saved state (swapped in).
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