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Quick Charge

El Presidente

Beware The Milky Pirate!
At least 3 of the 4 flagships announced already this year will have quick charge. Every body seems to think this is great, but isn't it actually detrimental to the longevity of a Lithium batterys life?

http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/ultra_fast_chargers

All batteries perform best at room temperatures with a gentle charge and discharge. However, such a sheltered life style does not always apply to real life situations requiring a compact pack that must be charged quickly and must deliver a heavy load. Such batteries can by deployed safely but expect a short life expectancy. Typical applications are drones, EV races and hobbyist contests.

  • If possible, turn a portable device off when charging. A parasitic load confuses the charger.
  • Try charging at a moderate rate. Ultra-fast charging causes undue stress, even if the battery can take it.
  • Fast and ultra-fast charge fills the battery only partially. A slower topping charge completes the charge. Unlike lead acid, the topping charge is not required for nickel and lithium-based batteries.
  • Do not apply fast and ultra-fast charge when the battery is cold or hot. Only charge batteries at moderate temperatures.
  • Do not apply fast and ultra-fast charge to aged and low-performing batteries. Very few chargers are able to assess the condition of a battery and govern the fast-charge accordingly.

Is it one of these things that's marketed as being awesome, but in reality, not all it's cracked up to be?
 
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It's probably more a case of there never being a silver bullet.

The main caveats seem to be - don't charge when hot or cold (applies to old 5V charging technology as well) and don't go immediately from charge to heavy load (immediately going to heavy load = rapid depletion = high heat = metal structure deformation in the battery, same as it ever was, but "heavy load" on a phone is less frequently encountered than on a dedicated device with motors).

The people that practice battery voodoo insisting that it helps are just going to trash their batteries faster with a fast charger. :D

It's all about temperature until we learn otherwise. I think that the article supports that.

And the article is generalized - noting that fast charging assumes balanced cells common to a new device, not all.

I'd have to warn that the same is true for regular chargers - if the battery has suffered from past overheating, it may last longer by slow charging but - define slow charging.

Is that usb charging? Device off only?

I do agree from the phandroid.com comments I've read that people are going hog wild over the new Samsung ultra fast charging technology. There's absolutely no talking to them because teh Samsung is teh best and everyone else is circling teh drain woo hoo!

Many of those people are bragging about being able to fully deplete a battery in a few hours but so what, they can just fast charge and do it again, all day long.

I don't know how you can deplete a battery on something like an S5 or S6 in a few hours without serious heating.

The previous crowd doing that just bought new batteries, no big deal. The ultra-fast crowd abusing theirs are going to be in for a world of surprise.

Otoh, I doubt normal users are going to notice a big difference.

Just my opinions.
 
Thanks. :)

I don't hammer my battery enough and I'm sensible with charging routines so that I'd never really be in a position where I'd need 60% in 30 minutes (or whatever quick charge is supposed to give), so it doesn't really bother me. Was just a little curious.

Many of those people are bragging about being able to fully deplete a battery in a few hours but so what, they can just fast charge and do it again, all day long.

I don't know how you can deplete a battery on something like an S5 or S6 in a few hours without serious heating.

Yeah, I can envisage this being an issue.....
 
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... yes ...

I normally use my Droid Turbo on the Tylt Qi charger and it I handy being held at a 45 degree angle.

When I am into heavy usage I use the Turbo charger so I can get back to work. The battery gets very warm when the turbo charger is used. It is hard to believe that that would not be harmful.

I think there is room for both charging approaches.

... Thom
 
If for some odd reason I let my S5 battery get way low, say below 20%, I recharge it in stages...

When the phone starts getting warm, I pull it off the charger..... later sometime, I put it back on the Qi charger and it then charge again until it gets warm enough that I can definitely think "it is too warm"...

I have an alarm go off at 40% and that seems to be a happy medium to recharging w/o it getting excessively warm.
 
Just personally speaking, Im not someone who really looks to or cares about the future, its one of my faults I think.
So if I had turbo charging, I'd totally use that during the day when my phone is dying and I'd be using the phone while it charged even if it was burning my fingers lol :D
 
Just personally speaking, Im not someone who really looks to or cares about the future, its one of my faults I think.
So if I had turbo charging, I'd totally use that during the day when my phone is dying and I'd be using the phone while it charged even if it was burning my fingers lol :D
And now I know why phone makers like you even more than we do! :D
 
What I love about batteries are the "usage times" they give for some of the devices for music and video playing. They must be based on the thing being OFF, lol, because I don't get half of half of half of the time they give you on the box!:p
Yeah, you have to dig to discover that one famous site, most-quoted for video playback time - runs a loop in airplane mode. :D
 
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