Root Quick question about OC'ing

[AwesomePie85]

So my phone can run at 1.8 Ghz. But put it a 1.9 and it reboots randomly. 2.0 and it doesn't even work. So what stops it from working at those frequencies?

 

[Memo35]

Many phones are different and cant handle different OC settings. Unfortunately, your can't go over 1.8.

 

[AwesomePie85]

Many phones are different and cant handle different OC settings. Unfortunately, your can't go over 1.8.

Yea I know that but I want to know what's really stopping it from going over that. Like what it is internally that's stopping it? Like could it be the voltage or the that certain chip itself not being able to handle it?

 

[Memo35]

Don't know the answer to that. My phone can go up to 2.2 with no problems.

 

[AwesomePie85]

Don't know the answer to that. My phone can go up to 2.2 with no problems.

Holy shit that's awesome. I wanna see if I can overvolt my CPU to hit 1.9 or 2.0 even. That's one of the reasons for me making this thread. The other being natural curiosity.

 

[Memo35]

It's overrated IMO. I'm running at 768 and dont really see a difference over OC'ing...well, aside from the huge battery saver.

 

[AwesomePie85]

It's overrated IMO. I'm running at 768 and dont really see a difference over OC'ing...well, aside from the huge battery saver.

I really hate it when my phone lags. Even having a few apps open makes the phone lag considerably sometimes. So I wanna see if OC'ing over what I can would help a bit. Originally I wanted to overvolt at the higher frequencies but apparently none of our current ZVD kernels allow us to assign voltage.

 

[reilus]

Yea I know that but I want to know what's really stopping it from going over that. Like what it is internally that's stopping it? Like could it be the voltage or the that certain chip itself not being able to handle it?

Electronics are stange things to normal people; these work within ranges. CPUs are tested at certain frequencies; these are all different. The degree of variance is large because more tests cost more money. So, they test in a certain spread of mhz. To give a hypothetical example, I am a company making cpus. I want to know what cpus will work at 2.0 and 1.6. I'm not going to bother testing between these points. If a CPU fails at 2.0, then I test at 1.6. If it passes, great. I'm not going to test it at 1.7, 1.8, and 1.9. But, those of us who overclock can test and "burn in" our CPUs to see if we can go over the rated clock speed.

This is an old hobby that started with older Pentium models. Just to give another example, celeron processors are the same as regular pentiums, but they have parts of the CPU disabled. So, the celeron is actually the same as the higher end CPU and it costs MORE for them to make it a low-end CPU. But, people end up paying the difference. It's all about marketing.

So, we try to find the places where the companies do not test and get as much from the CPU as we can. That is the simplest, common speech explanation to answer your question that I can think of. Maybe someone else can do better. I'm old school. My first PC was a Commodore 64 and I was excited when the 486DX CPU came out and I was about jizzing my pants when Pentium hit the market. I connected to BBS on a 14 baud modem before the WWW kids were shitting green. So, maybe someone else can explain it in more "cool story bro" format.

 

[reilus]

I really hate it when my phone lags. Even having a few apps open makes the phone lag considerably sometimes. So I wanna see if OC'ing over what I can would help a bit. Originally I wanted to overvolt at the higher frequencies but apparently none of our current ZVD kernels allow us to assign voltage.

Get "Seeder"; it will help.

 

[reilus]

Holy shit that's awesome. I wanna see if I can overvolt my CPU to hit 1.9 or 2.0 even. That's one of the reasons for me making this thread. The other being natural curiosity.

How do you unlock the voltage control on the CPU in Rom #2?

 

[AwesomePie85]

Get "Seeder"; it will help.

I've been reading about "seeder" and it's possible it doesn't really help on what it says. It may help because it keeps your CPU active but that's about it. If it helps on what it really does is being debated.

How do you unlock the voltage control on the CPU in Rom #2?

It depends on the kernel not the ROM (I'm pretty sure), and none of the ZVD kernels I've tried seem to have HAVS or SVS voltage adjustment support.

 

[reilus]

I've been reading about "seeder" and it's possible it doesn't really help on what it says. It may help because it keeps your CPU active but that's about it. If it helps on what it really does is being debated.



It depends on the kernel not the ROM (I'm pretty sure), and none of the ZVD kernels I've tried seem to have HAVS or SVS voltage adjustment support.

I realize a debate is raging, but I know from experience that it works for my phone; I confirmed my experience with CPUspy.

 

[LDrifta]

my personal opinion of why 'some' phones can 2.2 and some cant is this.. (just guessing here)

when these cpu's and other parts are made in the giant machine that makes them, im assuming they are not 100% accurate 100% of the time, so maybe 2 identicle cpu's can still be different in a sense of maybe more thermal compound was placed on 1 than the other or more saulder etc.. so 1 cpu may have more strong points than the next.. so when we OC these things, one may have a better/stronger connection than the other.. so one can handle it but the other cant.. just cant handle the requested frequency so it craps out and reboots lol

as for the seeder tweak.. again this is in my own opinion.. i think it DOES help, but i think it's honestly meant for people who actually OC lol

from my personal experience with it, my device did seem to have less lag as a 'whole' BUT!!!! if i were to try multi-tasking, then i would notice small glitches between each task

ie: i use power amp, 90% of the time im playing music in the background, so when i have the music playing, then lets say i decide to open up gallery.apk, the song will glitch out for a second while opening the app... this NEVER happened prior to using the seeder tweak...

but i feel maybe if i was running at 1.2, than maybe that wouldn't have happenned... im not sure, and i didn't care enough to find out... here are my reasons!! lol

1: I dont need it... device always ran fine without it
2: I never OC, well used to (untill i discovered that GTA Vice City was released) now i go to 1.3 when i play that game LOL

but all-in-all it's one of those things that is just 'user-prefference'

EDIT: to help you understand my point of view, I am a strong believer that EVERYTHING you do on a device, uses RAM!!!

same as a PC, if you fart while skimming through google search results, it uses RAM!! lol

 

[AwesomePie85]

my personal opinion of why 'some' phones can 2.2 and some cant is this.. (just guessing here)

when these cpu's and other parts are made in the giant machine that makes them, im assuming they are not 100% accurate 100% of the time, so maybe 2 identicle cpu's can still be different in a sense of maybe more thermal compound was placed on 1 than the other or more saulder etc.. so 1 cpu may have more strong points than the next.. so when we OC these things, one may have a better/stronger connection than the other.. so one can handle it but the other cant.. just cant handle the requested frequency so it craps out and reboots lol

as for the seeder tweak.. again this is in my own opinion.. i think it DOES help, but i think it's honestly meant for people who actually OC lol

from my personal experience with it, my device did seem to have less lag as a 'whole' BUT!!!! if i were to try multi-tasking, then i would notice small glitches between each task

ie: i use power amp, 90% of the time im playing music in the background, so when i have the music playing, then lets say i decide to open up gallery.apk, the song will glitch out for a second while opening the app... this NEVER happened prior to using the seeder tweak...

but i feel maybe if i was running at 1.2, than maybe that wouldn't have happenned... im not sure, and i didn't care enough to find out... here are my reasons!! lol

1: I dont need it... device always ran fine without it
2: I never OC, well used to (untill i discovered that GTA Vice City was released) now i go to 1.3 when i play that game LOL

but all-in-all it's one of those things that is just 'user-prefference'

EDIT: to help you understand my point of view, I am a strong believer that EVERYTHING you do on a device, uses RAM!!!

same as a PC, if you fart while skimming through google search results, it uses RAM!! lol

Oh I see. That sucks :/ But yea I agree RAM will always be the most useful thing a electronic device can use (besides power lol). I can get a octo-core phone but does it really matter if I have 128 mb of RAM lol? Thanks for the explanation man

 

[sk8rgeek]

Funny thing I have most wanted and it runs the best on the speed kernel vs the oc speed kernel. dead space also..idk why. used to overclock like crazy though stable at 2.0 thanks to plague lol

 

[LDrifta]

Funny thing I have most wanted and it runs the best on the speed kernel vs the oc speed kernel. dead space also..idk why. used to overclock like crazy though stable at 2.0 thanks to plague lol

vice city does run good but after you get in a car and drive fast it gets laggy..

as for that 'explanation' of mine.. none of it is fact i was just guessing.. i mean it makes sense.. lol but i could be wayyyy off

 

[GameTheory]

as for that 'explanation' of mine.. none of it is fact i was just guessing.. i mean it makes sense.. lol but i could be wayyyy off

You were basically correct.
After the cpus are manufactured they go through a process called binning, which means they are sorted out after vigorous testing. After sorting, most of the cpus that are within a close range of clock speed, for example... 1.8, 2.0, and 2.2 will be certified at one clock speed like in the esteem at 1ghz. If the end consumers overclock they find out there max speeds. Most flaws in cpus arise from the wafers they are built on. These wafers are made by melting polysilicon together with some electrically active elements (like phosphorous). Once the desired temp is reached, a silicon seed crystal is added, then slowly cooled. This process is not perfect, hence the different performing cpus.

That was the short explanation, but the manufacturing process is a lot more detailed (too much to write).

Sorry for being such a nerd. LOL

 

[LDrifta]

You were basically correct.
After the cpus are manufactured they go through a process called binning, which means they are sorted out after vigorous testing. After sorting, most of the cpus that are within a close range of clock speed, for example... 1.8, 2.0, and 2.2 will be certified at one clock speed like in the esteem at 1ghz. If the end consumers overclock they find out there max speeds. Most flaws in cpus arise from the wafers they are built on. These wafers are made by melting polysilicon together with some electrically active elements (like phosphorous). Once the desired temp is reached, a silicon seed crystal is added, then slowly cooled. This process is not perfect, hence the different performing cpus.

That was the short explanation, but the manufacturing process is a lot more detailed (too much to write).

Sorry for being such a nerd. LOL

lol nah dont appologize i feel i learned a good amount of info, none that i would share because i couldn't back myself up if a question were asked lol but good knowledge for the brain

 

[AwesomePie85]

You were basically correct.
After the cpus are manufactured they go through a process called binning, which means they are sorted out after vigorous testing. After sorting, most of the cpus that are within a close range of clock speed, for example... 1.8, 2.0, and 2.2 will be certified at one clock speed like in the esteem at 1ghz. If the end consumers overclock they find out there max speeds. Most flaws in cpus arise from the wafers they are built on. These wafers are made by melting polysilicon together with some electrically active elements (like phosphorous). Once the desired temp is reached, a silicon seed crystal is added, then slowly cooled. This process is not perfect, hence the different performing cpus.

That was the short explanation, but the manufacturing process is a lot more detailed (too much to write).

Sorry for being such a nerd. LOL

Naw dude don't be sorry, knowledge is something we all deserve to have. It's very awesome for you to explain it that detailed as now I know specifically why I can't OC to 2 Ghz, but another person can. Thank you for that explanation

 

[manesag]

No i believe the kernal that #2 uses is under volted. Some cpus can overclock up to 2.0+ghz on the lowered voltage some cant like mine would run up to 1.9
The problem is you cant really raise the voltage that much because power draw scales linearly with an increase in voltage (I think thats what it is)
Also from what ive heard android doesn't support multiple cpu cores but I dont know. Also I believe for android more ram is better. Thats why this s3 is soo smooth but thats besides the point