Returned my Galaxy Nexus, getting the Rezound

[schimm]

Faster Processor. Perhaps with the Sense Overlay, that phone needs it. You are talking about 300 MHz. Seriously, if you can see the difference in 300 MHz, you are special.

Not that special. 300MHz=25% increase in speed.

 

[TxGoat]

Not that special. 300MHz=25% increase in speed.

lol, sorry the answer we were looking for was, "Special enough to know that it's 25% faster"

Everyone will justify their purchase in their own way. The Apple crowd justifies their slower processor by claiming that the operating system is smoother (sounds like his "sense overlay" comment to me). Some will claim some sort of superior processor design that has special unicorn fart dust or some other BS. The last I heard 1.5 > 1.2 regardless of what people claim can happen once they root and overclock. I'm sure a manufacturer isn't going to claim a slower speed on their processor than they're comfortable with.

It's just another reason the Rezound probably wasn't marketed as well as it should have been. I wonder how many people that bought a Nexus actually know that the Rezound has a faster processor. Like I said, I'm sure someone will pull out some tech sheet that demonstrates that the processor in the Nexus does this or that under specific testing, or has some sort of uber-architecture that demonstrates it's a superior processor.

The Nexus crowd can slice it however they want, all I'll say is 1.5 IS faster than 1.2.

 

[budmonster]

Returned my SGN today, picked up a Rezound. I tried and tried to make up excuses to keep my GNEX. The phone design was beatufiul I really like it and some of new options from ICS are really useful. I love HTC, never had one by them but always though the UI was "cool", some say it's too much I think it's eye catching. I thought ICS was really well put together, just too plain for me, I left wanting more, not satisfied. The GNEX had a few hardware problems that shouldn't require you to d/l a 3rd party application to fix, haven't found to many problems with my Rezound, only have had it for a few hours though. My buttons do look "pink" instead of red, don't know if thats with everyone or not? No dropped calls yet on the Rezound, but not enough calls yet. The sound on the Rezound is a huge difference.

I've also been complaining about the GNEX being slow. I've took speed tests every day on the phone for a week, different locations, etc. I can tell you that the Rezound gets better LTE speeds for me, but barely! I'm talking 1-3mbps more. I still get two 4G bars, just as I had on my GNEX. So I don't see a big difference in the 4G department. Once I root and remove all the bloat I'll compare phone speeds. I wish the GNEX has the Rezounds hardware and I'd be set. I don't see you really going wrong with either phone. I think they are the best 2 phones on VZW right now, no one is really ahead of the other. When I got my GNEX after 2 days with it I got bored, I just feel that Rezound has more options, it's more of an entertainment/personal device to me hence the GNEX seemed more of a phone put out for the hacker/development user.

 

[TxGoat]

Returned my SGN today, picked up a Rezound. I tried and tried to make up excuses to keep my GNEX. The phone design was beatufiul I really like it and some of new options from ICS are really useful. I love HTC, never had one by them but always though the UI was "cool", some say it's too much I think it's eye catching. I thought ICS was really well put together, just too plain for me, I left wanting more, not satisfied. The GNEX had a few hardware problems that shouldn't require you to d/l a 3rd party application to fix, haven't found to many problems with my Rezound, only have had it for a few hours though. My buttons do look "pink" instead of red, don't know if thats with everyone or not? No dropped calls yet on the Rezound, but not enough calls yet. The sound on the Rezound is a huge difference.

I've also been complaining about the GNEX being slow. I've took speed tests every day on the phone for a week, different locations, etc. I can tell you that the Rezound gets better LTE speeds for me, but barely! I'm talking 1-3mbps more. I still get two 4G bars, just as I had on my GNEX. So I don't see a big difference in the 4G department. Once I root and remove all the bloat I'll compare phone speeds. I wish the GNEX has the Rezounds hardware and I'd be set. I don't see you really going wrong with either phone. I think they are the best 2 phones on VZW right now, no one is really ahead of the other. When I got my GNEX after 2 days with it I got bored, I just feel that Rezound has more options, it's more of an entertainment/personal device to me hence the GNEX seemed more of a phone put out for the hacker/development user.

How do you like the Beats audio? One thing I haven't seen too many Nexus deserters comment on is how they feel about the Beats audio with the included headphones (for the record the Beats EQ sounds better with the included headphones). I think the reason being is they're too busy comparing what they liked about the Nexus and figured the Beats was more gimmick than anything (I had the same sentiments initially). Just curious to see how someone jumping off the Nexus feels about the Beats audio.

 

[Deleted User]

Note that when the Rezound gets ICS, you will no longer have the option of separating notification and ring volumes. Unless ICS is updated.

I would think that HTC will "overlay" this with their version... They have done this many times in the past with sense... For example, lower the volume all the way, and vibrate appears. I don't believe any other android phones do that.

Sense gets badmouthed a lot by other phone users that prefer vanilla android, but I actually like it. My phone does things the way I expect it should.

 

[secretLOVER]

Welcome to your new home. I've seen a lot of comparisons to the gn and i think we can all agree that this is the phone for us... as well as being the better of the two. I'm sure you would get somewhat of the same reaction here if the circumstances were different. But, they're not. Eat it gn!

 

[andr01d]

^ and all your downloded apps will work just fine on the Rezound!
I found some apps that will not work on the honeycomb but works just fine on gingerbread. I am actually beginning to think ICS is a bad thing unless we want a plain phone with no apps

 

[BlueBiker]

Some will claim some sort of superior processor design that has special unicorn fart dust or some other BS. The last I heard 1.5 > 1.2 regardless of what people claim can happen once they root and overclock. I'm sure a manufacturer isn't going to claim a slower speed on their processor than they're comfortable with.

It's just another reason the Rezound probably wasn't marketed as well as it should have been. I wonder how many people that bought a Nexus actually know that the Rezound has a faster processor. Like I said, I'm sure someone will pull out some tech sheet that demonstrates that the processor in the Nexus does this or that under specific testing, or has some sort of uber-architecture that demonstrates it's a superior processor.

The Nexus crowd can slice it however they want, all I'll say is 1.5 IS faster than 1.2.

LOL, that entire passage is wrong. But I give you credit for team spirit.

See Megahertz myth for an explanation. The Rezound's Snapdragon S3 is a slightly improved version of the older ARM A8 architecture, while Nexus' OMAP4 is a true A9 beast. The A9 gets about 20% more productive work done for every clock cycle, while the Rezound is running at a 25% higher clock rate.

That means that for normal integer processing, the two phones are running at practically indistinguishable speeds. It'll be interesting to see how they compare when Rezound is running a de-bloated ICS.

 

[Colchicine]

has special unicorn fart dust or some other US.

Corrected. Should be US for Unicorn S***.

 

[leroybrute]

LOL, that entire passage is wrong. But I give you credit for team spirit.

See Megahertz myth for an explanation. The Rezound's Snapdragon S3 is a slightly improved version of the older ARM A8 architecture, while Nexus' OMAP4 is a true A9 beast. The A9 gets about 20% more productive work done for every clock cycle, while the Rezound is running at a 25% higher clock rate.

That means that for normal integer processing, the two phones are running at practically indistinguishable speeds. It'll be interesting to see how they compare when Rezound is running a de-bloated ICS.

How do you suppose the 2 chips would compare if they were both synchronous(omap4) or both asynchronous (snapdragon S3)? And while everyone is comparing cpu's they forget about gpu's. What good is the cpu with a poor gpu or vice versa?

 

[TxGoat]

LOL, that entire passage is wrong. But I give you credit for team spirit.

See Megahertz myth for an explanation. The Rezound's Snapdragon S3 is a slightly improved version of the older ARM A8 architecture, while Nexus' OMAP4 is a true A9 beast. The A9 gets about 20% more productive work done for every clock cycle, while the Rezound is running at a 25% higher clock rate.

That means that for normal integer processing, the two phones are running at practically indistinguishable speeds. It'll be interesting to see how they compare when Rezound is running a de-bloated ICS.

You actually confirmed what I said about someone posting some other benchmark to offset the differences. The manufacturers post the speed of their phones as compared to other phones. It's like the Nexus posting that it has a larger screen (it does) but then someone defending the Rezound by saying, "Yeah but my soft buttons don't take up part of the screen during operation!" The facts are the facts, 4.65" > 4.3" and 1.5 > 1.2. If that benchmark is so wrong then why do manufacturers bother using it on their product?

I understand that there's more to it than just a numbers comparison, like Horsepower not being indicative of how fast a car is compared to another. All I'm saying is when you consider what some people on the Nexus side are saying in an attempt to claim their phone is better ( "True Google Experience" comes to mind, what the hell does that even mean? True Homogeneous bland user interface? That's a plus?) then I'll be the first to say "1.5 > 1.2" Don't be ashamed to say it, "1.5 > 1.2"

 

[BlueBiker]

How do you suppose the 2 chips would compare if they were both synchronous(omap4) or both asynchronous (snapdragon S3)? And while everyone is comparing cpu's they forget about gpu's. What good is the cpu with a poor gpu or vice versa?

Those are excellent questions I'd like to know also. I think EarlyMon knows more about the tradeoffs and what you'd gain. My impression is that the asynchronous approach is about saving battery, not improving performance. If only one thread needs full performance, it's a waste to fire up both cores at maximum clock rate.

I don't know that much about GPU's, and people have argued strongly on both sides of Nexus vs. Rezound. One has much better fill rate while the other has faster logic units? Again I think both phones have more graphics power than is necessary just to drive a smooth user interface.

You actually confirmed what I said about someone posting some other benchmark to offset the differences. The manufacturers post the speed of their phones as compared to other phones. It's like the Nexus posting that it has a larger screen (it does) but then someone defending the Rezound by saying, "Yeah but my soft buttons don't take up part of the screen during operation!" The facts are the facts, 4.65" > 4.3" and 1.5 > 1.2. If that benchmark is so wrong then why do manufacturers bother using it on their product?

Good points about the screens. If one screen is bigger, but you can't use the extra screen space in a lot of standard apps, do you still get bragging rights?

I understand that there's more to it than just a numbers comparison, like Horsepower not being indicative of how fast a car is compared to another. All I'm saying is when you consider what some people on the Nexus side are saying in an attempt to claim their phone is better ( "True Google Experience" comes to mind, what the hell does that even mean? True Homogeneous bland user interface? That's a plus?) then I'll be the first to say "1.5 > 1.2" Don't be ashamed to say it, "1.5 > 1.2"

Well sure, if I'm just yanking someone's chain then I'll be happy to brag that I've got 1.5GHz and also another 3 megapixels, woohoo!

But it's like saying that a 6cyl car will be faster than a 4cyl car, ignoring whether the 4cyl is a turbo, the weights of the cars, etc.

There's old advice that the only benchmark that matters to you is the performance of the device on the programs that you're actually using. If you're a gamer, and one phone gives faster, more consistent frame rates than the other, then it doesn't matter what the relative clock speeds are, or the number of cores or anything else.

 

[TxGoat]

Those are excellent questions I'd like to know also. I think EarlyMon knows more about the tradeoffs and what you'd gain. My impression is that the asynchronous approach is about saving battery, not improving performance. If only one thread needs full performance, it's a waste to fire up both cores at maximum clock rate.

I don't know that much about GPU's, and people have argued strongly on both sides of Nexus vs. Rezound. One has much better fill rate while the other has faster logic units? Again I think both phones have more graphics power than is necessary just to drive a smooth user interface.



Good points about the screens. If one screen is bigger, but you can't use the extra screen space in a lot of standard apps, do you still get bragging rights?



Well sure, if I'm just yanking someone's chain then I'll be happy to brag that I've got 1.5GHz and also another 3 megapixels, woohoo!

But it's like saying that a 6cyl car will be faster than a 4cyl car, ignoring whether the 4cyl is a turbo, the weights of the cars, etc.

There's old advice that the only benchmark that matters to you is the performance of the device on the programs that you're actually using. If you're a gamer, and one phone gives faster, more consistent frame rates than the other, then it doesn't matter what the relative clock speeds are, or the number of cores or anything else.

My favorite analogy is along the lines of performance cars. Most people will look exclusively at a car's HP and equal that to how well it will perform against another. I used to own a GTO that had 400 HP and 400 TQ yet many other people that owned the same car swore it was God's gift to the auto world. Yet if you lined it up next to an M5 (which same model year had less HP/TQ) the M5 would beat the GTO in a straight line AND in the twisties.

But, like I said earlier, if the Nexus crowd wants to use things like, "pure google experience" as an advantage for their phone then I say lets go ahead and throw clock speed in their face in the same manner. Besides, it's always funny to get their reaction when you mention it, "Oh but the architecture of the processor is such that...blah blah blah." It's almost like pointing out Flash to the iPhone crowd only to hear them go off about HTML5 and how Flash is a dying platform.

 

[BlueBiker]

My favorite analogy is along the lines of performance cars. Most people will look exclusively at a car's HP and equal that to how well it will perform against another. I used to own a GTO that had 400 HP and 400 TQ yet many other people that owned the same car swore it was God's gift to the auto world. Yet if you lined it up next to an M5 (which same model year had less HP/TQ) the M5 would beat the GTO in a straight line AND in the twisties.

Sweeeeet! I wondered where your username came from. You know, even if my next door neighbor owned the M5, I could probably find it within myself to endure the hardship of owning a 400/400 GTO.

But, like I said earlier, if the Nexus crowd wants to use things like, "pure google experience" as an advantage for their phone then I say lets go ahead and throw clock speed in their face in the same manner. Besides, it's always funny to get their reaction when you mention it, "Oh but the architecture of the processor is such that...blah blah blah." It's almost like pointing out Flash to the iPhone crowd only to hear them go off about HTML5 and how Flash is a dying platform.

We need an un-modded forum for Cage Match: Nexus vs. Rezound!

 

[TxGoat]

Sweeeeet! I wondered where your username came from.

Contrary to popular belief it has nothing to do with sexual deviance and barnyard animals....

 

[jayochs]

hahahaha idk why, but evreytime i saw your username, i just thought of "texas instruments" and kinda just pictured you as a giant calculator...TI-89 style.

 

[leroybrute]

Where does the Galaxy Nexus win. I owned it for a week. I tried to find a winning point at that point and couldn't. Everyone says ICS. But how? I couldn't believe the bugs, glitches, intermittent lag. Everyone always blames the factory UI causing issues like that, and you wouldn't have those problems if you had a vanilla OS. Rezound and sense don't have those issues. Some of those glitcheson GNex can be fixed with free or paid apps, but how is that vanilla anymore.
How about the radio's. Everyone especially me ticked off with the data issues with all the verizon 4g phones, but the Nexus has the worst 3g,4g, and no data coverage issues of all of them. It will suck if the issues are more hardware related than software ie droid charge. Its OK though because it has ICS.
Does anyone that owns a GNex think the camera gets fixed with software update? I don't.
My Bionic's had less issues and more reliable than My GNex.
And its been out 2 weeks and phone of the year in about every article, blog, forum I have seen. It could be toy phone of the year but not phone of the year. And I am tired of the comparisons in favor of the GNex.

 

[jroc]

Where does the Galaxy Nexus win. I owned it for a week. I tried to find a winning point at that point and couldn't. Everyone says ICS. But how? I couldn't believe the bugs, glitches, intermittent lag. Everyone always blames the factory UI causing issues like that, and you wouldn't have those problems if you had a vanilla OS. Rezound and sense don't have those issues. Some of those glitcheson GNex can be fixed with free or paid apps, but how is that vanilla anymore.
How about the radio's. Everyone especially me ticked off with the data issues with all the verizon 4g phones, but the Nexus has the worst 3g,4g, and no data coverage issues of all of them. It will suck if the issues are more hardware related than software ie droid charge. Its OK though because it has ICS.
Does anyone that owns a GNex think the camera gets fixed with software update? I don't.
My Bionic's had less issues and more reliable than My GNex.
And its been out 2 weeks and phone of the year in about every article, blog, forum I have seen. It could be toy phone of the year but not phone of the year. And I am tired of the comparisons in favor of the GNex.

That is strange. I woulda thought that title went to the GS 2. One site had an Editors Pick and Readers Pick. The G Nex won for readers pick....probably no surprise there. Editors pick went to the RAZR. I was shocked to see that too. Both phones barely been out....how are they gonna win phone of the year and they just came out?

And I might be a lil crazy. I have a G Nex coming Wed....I might not even open it and just send it back. I forgot about some things I didnt like about it before.. Reminded myself when I posted on another site. I think I still got G Nex fever...

 

[jdavis37]

lol, sorry the answer we were looking for was, "Special enough to know that it's 25% faster"

Everyone will justify their purchase in their own way. The Apple crowd justifies their slower processor by claiming that the operating system is smoother (sounds like his "sense overlay" comment to me). Some will claim some sort of superior processor design that has special unicorn fart dust or some other BS. The last I heard 1.5 > 1.2 regardless of what people claim can happen once they root and overclock. I'm sure a manufacturer isn't going to claim a slower speed on their processor than they're comfortable with.

It's just another reason the Rezound probably wasn't marketed as well as it should have been. I wonder how many people that bought a Nexus actually know that the Rezound has a faster processor. Like I said, I'm sure someone will pull out some tech sheet that demonstrates that the processor in the Nexus does this or that under specific testing, or has some sort of uber-architecture that demonstrates it's a superior processor.

The Nexus crowd can slice it however they want, all I'll say is 1.5 IS faster than 1.2.

FWIW a higher clock speed for chips supplied by different manufacturers does not guarantee higher performance. Those who have followed the AMD versus InTel battles through the years have seen this.. same for Apple's claims which may simply be true.

IPC is abetter measure of performance ( instructions per cycle). Since these are both dual core processors the other relevant question is how well does Gingerbread make use of both cores compared to ICS.

In the end there probably won't be much if any noticeable difference between the 2 but I'd defer to actual test results before making that claim. Sometimes the bigger number isn't the faster of the two!

 

[Kane5581]

When I go into the Verizon a store and the thunderbolt has twice the signal that the gnex has and beats it in 10 straight 4g speed tests I could care less about why the architecture of the processor makes it almost equal to the rezound. It can't even keep up with a damn thunderbolt for most of what I will be using it for.

 

[leroybrute]

That is strange. I woulda thought that title went to the GS 2. One site had an Editors Pick and Readers Pick. The G Nex won for readers pick....probably no surprise there. Editors pick went to the RAZR. I was shocked to see that too. Both phones barely been out....how are they gonna win phone of the year and they just came out?

And I might be a lil crazy. I have a G Nex coming Wed....I might not even open it and just send it back. I forgot about some things I didnt like about it before.. Reminded myself when I posted on another site. I think I still got G Nex fever...

lol. Yea I sure had the fever. Now we have an extra rezound in the family instead of 2 rezounds and a gnex we have 3 rezounds.