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returning phone due to Froyo

Roger Zoul said:
I haven't noticed any slower charging on my phone after the upgrade to Froyo. Those who do, did you actually measure charge time before and after starting at the same level of discharge? If not, you're talking nonsense./QUOTE]

It's not that hard to figure out, most people know their phones. If they usually charge around 30% battery life and know that it generally takes 1.5 hours to charge, but now when they charge it around 30% life it takes 3 hours to charge, there IS a difference. A few precentage points here or there wouldn't account for double the charging time.

It's just something that people notice. It's not nonsense.

Roger Zoul said:
I don't notice my battery getting hot when charging while on. The only time I have noticed a "hot phone" is on 12-hour drive to Chicago, while using the GPS and having the phone plugged into the car charger. However, the phone was sitting on the seat and there was sunlight, so I'm not sure why the phone was warmer than normal.
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You may not, but a lot of people do. And apparently it's common enough that HTC decided they needed to fix it. The last thing they need are people's phone catching fire (*cough cough* Apple!) so it's better safe than sorry.

Roger Zoul said:
Why are people monitoring CPU speed and other metrics at idle? Again, this is just another place where people let their lack of understanding (which most don't even realize exists) get them all upset. I frankly wonder if perhaps these forums aren't good for a lot of people. In some cases, less (as in less information) is indeed more (as in more happy).
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This one I agree with to a certain degree. Just like I already said, if you don't understand the numbers you are looking at, it's not worth looking at them. They'll probably just scare you.

It's like when people start going through WebMD trying to self diagnose their "symptoms". Then they get to the doctor freaking out that they have 3 different cancers when in fact they just have allerigies to their new kitty. Information is great and wonderful and I am glad that we live in a world where it's at our fingertips. But sometimes it can be more dangerous than good.
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It has to charge slower with 2.2. I just posted in another thread that with 2.1 you couls have google Nav on and it would slowly charge the battery up. Now with 2.2 with it actually starts to loose charge with NAv on and it being plugged it.

It must charge a little slower now i'm guessing, or google nav got more power hungry :p
 
Terabethia said:
Sorry but flashing it before won't help you.

You factory reset the phone back to the basic 2.1. Then you install 2.2. This means you are still installing a new OS on top of an old OS. If you do it before hand, you are not installing "on a clean state". Just an app-less and personal setting-less (yes, those are words!! LOL :D) state.

You need to either use the RUU (which will wipe the phone before installing) or Factory Reset after you download the OTA.
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I always use the RUU FILES to update my phones (clean slate) . The hard reset does take the phone back to 2.1 but it erases all the apps and whatever else was added to the phone after it was purchased . The apps that were not updated to work with 2.2 are causing some of the problems. IF more people had done the RUU , there would be a lot less problems with these phones now.
 
jbh00jh said:
I always use the RUU FILES to update my phones (clean slate) . The hard reset does take the phone back to 2.1 but it erases all the apps and whatever else was added to the phone after it was purchased . The apps that were not updated to work with 2.2 are causing some of the problems. IF more people had done the RUU , there would be a lot less problems with these phones now.
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Now THAT I agree with you on. I had no desire to root my phone for a custom ROM or anything like that, but I had every intention of doing a factory reset after installing the OTA. Once that RUU was released and a couple dozen people tried it out and confirmed it was official and working great, I installed it.

It A) Saved me from having to wait for the OTA to hit my phone and B) Saved me the extra step of factory resetting since it was all-in-one.

Of course, 95% of people wouldn't know to go looking for an RUU and/or wouldn't want to do it if they did find it. While installed the RUU is easy as pie, it's still something that you shouldn't mess with if you don't know what you are doing.
 
makewayhomer said:
yes, Apple effed up the antenna. but it was a rare mistep from them, I have never seen them put out a software update that effed up so many people. their stuff just works.
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Hardly. Apple has goofed up plenty, software-wise, over the years.

When iPhone OS 2.0 first came out, it had a WCDMA power control bug that caused cell sites to overload and drop a lot of other users.

Recently, iOS4 has made a lot of people's iPhone 3G's become almost unusable for the past couple of months. Supposedly a fix will come sooner or later. (Apple rarely gives exact timelines for updates.)

As for the Froyo update... I saw some slowdown at first, too. Checking running services, I found that some that I thought I had stopped long ago were back up and running in the background. Getting rid of those cleared up everything. (I had tried out a lot of battery watchers, for example, and some of those ironically seem to chew up the battery.)
 
and yes I did actually take correct readings before and after the Froyo update of battery charging speed. these are pics of my charging speed with Juice Plotter. The first one is with Eclair, I am not going to spend a bunch of time describing how to read the graph but the line going straight up is my battery charging up and about a 45-60 min span I have my phone set to sync ever 30 min. The second is all the same peremeters but with Froyo, and the span is probably closer to three and a half hours. As you can see in the first one my battery is red from the heat being built up which means it is atleast 50*C in the second pic it is charging and yellow meaning it is only 40*C

So yes the slower charge time is a possible beef with Froyo for a moment but to throw up your arms and start flipping out over the fact that this is for your own good and safety is just plain childish and it is proof that when you bought your phone you bought it cause either someone told you it was the best or you just thought it was shiny and that you had no idea what the actually specs mean or how they work. Sorry makewayhomer this isnt directed at you but so many people on this forum who have been complaining since the say they bought that they did not understand that 1300 battery is designed for its light weight and not for a long performance.
 

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I haven't really had any problems switching from 2.1 to 2.2. My SD card was rendered useless after the OTA, but it was a card transferred from my old phone to my new one. It still reads on my computer, just not on the phone. I put the free 2GB card I received with the phone in and it works just fine. I haven't experienced any lag, at least not enough to bother me. It doesn't seem all that different from 2.1 to be honest. The bloatware does annoy me, and it also annoys me that System Panel reads everything as active now, whereas before it showed what was active and what was inactive. If something was active that shouldn't be, I could easily go in and back out, cuz that's usually what I forgot to do (pressed home instead of backing out). Now I have no idea which is active vs. inactive. But supposedly 2.2 figures that out on its own, correct, and closes the program I forgot to back out of?
However, the only pressing matter is that my screen orientation is slightly off. I find it going to horizontal when it should be vertical and didn't have this problem before. It's only a slight annoyance and easily fixed. But I haven't done a factory reset and wondered if this would solve that problem. Should I do the factory reset for this problem alone? I've seen that others have had problems with factory resets and I'd hate to create more problems if this is the only noticeable one so far. Thoughts?
 
Try going to menu-settings-display and check the G-Sensor calibrations. I have noticed that is is a little more finiky with landscape v portrait now that you can do the landscape either way and hopefully in the future they will let you choose which rotations you want the phone to be able to do. I think they implimented this either for left handed people or for those like me who had the LG EnV and Voyager where you always rotated the phone to the right instead of the left like with the INC, but i got over that after a week as did probably everyone else.
 
makewayhomer said:
CPU running full scream ahead, I did a factory reset, didnt install a thing besides a battery meter and systempanel lite, and my CPU is running between 500 and 850, mostly in the 700's

causing slow charging and battery drain
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Its been shown time and again that systempanel is incorrect with those cpu numbers, so...

Also, slow charging has nothing to do with that, and everything to do with HTC decreasing temperature thresh holds in the kernel as an attempt to IMPROVE battery life by improving charge retention.
 
I skimmed through this post because frankly, I know its the same post 100+ times in 100+ threads.

You ask why Verizon/HTC messes your phone up. First off, HTC(or whoever is really behind the red curtain) makes these software updates. Verizon just says what CAN and CANT be in them. Theres no nerd with glasses in a room all day alone at Verizon creating the software(most likely lol).

Theres thousands and thousands of people who flawlessly use their phones everyday for all sorts of weird things and have not had the slightest problem with it. Before and after 2.2. Just because you and a few people who troll here have had problems is no reason to go Ape. You know that saying, one bad thing happens and that person tells 10 people, and one good thing happenes and people only tell maybe 2-5 others? Thats what this is. You and a dozen other people have had slight problems, so you all go on a forum and create 25 threads each on what and why something doesnt work. Where as the people who have no problems, sit here and look on at these things to try to help BECAUSE they dont have the problem.

You got this phone knowing what its capable of. Knowing that it can do all sorts of amazing things. Well, these amazing things sometimes have a price. You want flash player to watch movies online, while downloading 15 games or playing Nintendo on your phone, while responding to a email from work and opening a full attachment, editing it and resending it out to 1000 people? Yea thats gonna use battery. I guess what im trying to say is that technology has its flaws, everyone knows that.

If you want a phone that is going to last 35hrs regardless of use, go get a Nokia brick phone, and play snake on a green screen all day. If you want the goods, and are smart enough to be patient and work through petty issues, then get a smartphone. Its as simple as that. Spend another $30 bucks, get a carcharger and be on your way. There are at least 4 different ways to charge a phone, in any scenario, or in any location you might be.

I guess the moral of this long story is:

A. You arent returning your phone because your out of 30days
B. Your gonan keep it and deal, because honestly, what other phone out there is good?(Minus a blackberry which is a different realm)
C. This is what forums are for, to find someone who knows more than you so they can help fix your problems.
D through Z. Im not flaming/talking smack/mad/angry/e-raging or in any other way upset, im just posting the facts. If you disagree, you disagree, theres no point in trying to refute these facts, because I hear them everyday on this forum and in real life.
 
Berry2Droid said:
D through Z. Im not flaming/talking smack/mad/angry/e-raging or in any other way upset, im just posting the facts. If you disagree, you disagree, theres no point in trying to refute these facts, because I hear them everyday on this forum and in real life.
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Reading that I thought, you sound like you are from Jersey, I double check and yup, I'm going to guess morris.


Adrynalyne So it's not that the heat causes extra damage, but that they believe with the lower heat threshold the battery will retain a charge for longer? And if it is in the Kernal then do you know of any that will raise that threshold back up besides Kings 2 since that one was too unstable to even check if it worked for me.
 
maikinmoves said:
Reading that I thought, you sound like you are from Jersey, I double check and yup, I'm going to guess morris.


Adrynalyne So it's not that the heat causes extra damage, but that they believe with the lower heat threshold the battery will retain a charge for longer? And if it is in the Kernal then do you know of any that will raise that threshold back up besides Kings 2 since that one was too unstable to even check if it worked for me.
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Thats what they believe, yes.

Stay tuned. A couple of us have contacted the kernel module author who did it at HTC. We are seeing if the email will pan out with some (hopefully) revised code.

If not, as long as King put it on github, I can make a stable kernel from it, with those changes.

Sounds like a project for today :D
 
Huh. I guess I'm one of the lucky ones. I got the 2.2 update, installed, no issues whatsoever. No factory reset here, either.
 
maikinmoves said:
Reading that I thought, you sound like you are from Jersey, I double check and yup, I'm going to guess morris.


Adrynalyne So it's not that the heat causes extra damage, but that they believe with the lower heat threshold the battery will retain a charge for longer? And if it is in the Kernal then do you know of any that will raise that threshold back up besides Kings 2 since that one was too unstable to even check if it worked for me.
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Ocean county

Born in Bergen county tho..thats where the attitude comes from hah
 
Warren here, but when I lived in cali everyone told me I was a polite eloquent dick, and I always responded that was just Jersey slipping out.
 
maikinmoves said:
Warren here, but when I lived in cali everyone told me I was a polite eloquent dick, and I always responded that was just Jersey slipping out.
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God I hate Warren, its where Verizons corporate(one of them) office is.
I had to drive there every so often for trainings. Now that ive relocated, I gotta goto Trevose PA =(
 
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