Rogers Dream 1.6 Update

[mjschmidt]

I,m not sure about anywhear else in Canada, but you used to be able to get a computer from Aliant Telecom by signing for for a fixed term with their ADSL service, Those computers wouldn't have been locked to Aliant so why do wireless devices have to be.

@GBD: You're exactly on the money, and I believe completely that we are going to see a fundamental shift in wireless telephony over the next 5 years.

Consider that, as we've been trying to explain to Rogers, these Android phones are not "web phones", they are not the usual wireless "appliances" to which we have become accustomed; these are mini-computers that are capable of making phone calls. I think it's interesting (even ironic) that many iPhone users complain about call quality. The truth is the iPhone, and Android phones, are little computers first, cell phones second. (I think Rogers is finally getting this, after all we've done here).

At CES scores of "tablet" PCs were announced, and the iSlate will be coming soon (I'll give credit where it is due. If the iSlate is like the mockups, it will be sweet. So will MS Courier if they ever make it!). On top of that you have Dell releasing an Android device that looks like a smart phone (slightly larger) but which is not a phone.

Add to that Google Voice, Google buying up phone numbers, and Gizmo, and you have now a company that can theoretically offer free VOIP service (something we thought we'd see with Nexus One).

I am willing to bet that _PC_ companies are going to start building hardware, never mind the traditional phone companies. You will see HP, Dell, Toshiba, all of them coming out with truly pocket PCs. They will be able to output to a monitor and keyboard wirelessly or via USB for desktop use, then stick it in your pocket to go.

These pocket PCs will have wireless radios, or will use VOIP only, but once these companies start making these pocket computers (and with Android being open source it will be easier) the cost will come down, and you will buy ALL your "phones" without a contract. The wireless companies will be forced to pander to customers who buy their hardware separately, and who can move about.

Soon enough...

 

[theslacker]

Thanks and congratulations go out to all who fought the good fight for HTC owners. I bought an LG Eve last week and am upset that it's six months behind right out of the box so I am getting involved. The salesman told me it ran 2.0 and I was naive enough to believe him. My Eve says 155MB internal storage and it comes with a 2GB SD card. Forgive my ignorance but is this enough for an upgrqade to 1.6 or are we going to be left behind? LG's website does not have a Canadian area so I sent an inquiry to the American customer service, not really expecting to get any relevent info. I'll keep updating as the news comes

 

[vikingisson]

@theslacker Did you buy the Eve or get the $50 contract price? If you got the contract phone then what did you like better about it over the Magic? @$80 for the Magic over 3 years that $30 is a difference of $10 per year, less than $1 per month. So you must have paid full price or simply preferred the Eve at least at first. Full price difference is $200 so that's a valid difference.

I'm not playing devil's advocate or poking fun at you. But this points to where we need to start thinking differently if we're ever going to change the thinking at Rogers and the entire industry.

Buying unlocked and contract free allows me as the customer to update or change providers as I see fit. I'll take the responsibility of education and take the risk of potential brick. We might eventually start changing the industry. Demanding change while taking the path that Rogers wants us to will never change it.

or jump into that gray area of rooting the phone and updating that way. Not the ideal way but a slightly better option than sitting on an obsolete device.

congrats to you guys that got Rogers to rethink the updates on one or two phones. I don't think that will change very much overall though. The next batch of phones and users will have to start the whole process all over again.

 

[Nelson]

Wow Mary you and your team should stand up and take a bow, fantastic work i hope rogers knows what valuble employees you are. You have saved countless customers endless amouts of frustrated customer service calls and emails. Im very excited to finally upgrade and was dreading the thought i might have to root to aquire it.
THANK YOU!
-nelson

 

[boualem]

Article from BGR:
Rogers to offer HTC Dream owners a limited time promotional upgrade to the Magic?

by Kelly Hodgkins on January 9th, 2010 at 8:42am
Filed under: Android, HTC, Rogers, Rumors 8 Comments

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HTC Magic owners disappointed by Rogers’ announcement that the Dream was going to stay at Android 1.5 may have cause to rejoice. A post from a Rogers rep over at Android forums claims that Rogers is putting together a promotion that will provide current Dream owners a limited time opportunity to upgrade to the HTC Magic. Rogers is reportedly still working on the details of the promotion but if it pans out, Dream owners may have a shiny, new Android handset in their future.

Similar articles at:
- http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Rog...free-upgrade-to-HTC-Magic-article-a_8724.html
- http://www.androidcentral.com/rogers-offer-htc-dream-owners-option-upgrade-magic-free
- http://mobile.engadget.com/2010/01/09/rogers-to-offer-htc-dream-owners-limited-time-opportunity-to-u/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+weblogsinc%2Fengadgetmobile+%28Engadget+Mobile%29
- http://www.geardiary.com/2010/01/09/rogers-gives-htc-dream-owners-a-happy-new-year/
- http://www.mobiletopsoft.com/board/6916/rogers-offer-htc-dream-owners-upgrades-to-the-magic.html
- http://www.androidauthority.com/ind...ream-owners-to-upgrade-to-htc-magic-for-free/
- Too many to add...

 

[boualem]

The online specs at LG.ca (http://www.lge.com/ca_en/products/documents/56924-1-Specs-LR.pdf) mention the following:

Memory
User Memory: 150MB
Internal Memory: 4GB/2GB
External Memory: 2GB ( Eve supports up to 32GB)

I got a loaner Eve from @RogersMiranda and reviewed it on my site. In a nutshell, I like the experience, the interface and the quickness of Magic better then the Eve. I just wish the Magic also had an FM Radio and a 3.5 mm standard headphone jack!

LG EVE has 150MB RAM and 512MB ROM (Confirmed by LG)

Hence the phone is upgradeable to Android donut (1.6) or Eclair (2.0/2.1)

However since RAM is a bit anemic, I'm not sure how the phone will behave with the OS upgrade.

My guess is that if you have few applications downloaded and if one is not running a lot of applications concurrently the User experience should be fine.

However if one has Tens/hundreds of apps with many of them running concurrently (Widgets, Media player, other apps) the phone will not be very responsive.

Remember that we are talking about essentially Java apps running in a JVM. Garbage collection may have to run more often to to free up memory space. There is a limit to what can be optimized with 150MB

LG/Rogers should offer the LG Eve owners an upgrade to 2.0/2.1 or at least 1.6 while letting them know that the User Experience may suffer.

Note:
I'm baffled by the decision to have 150MB ( I understand the cost factors: tens of cents x few million phones= some good saving).
G1 had 192MB of RAM and HTC must have decided that it wasn't enough and had it upgraded to 288MB in G2 (HTC Magic).

 

[Deleted User]

I should have clarified in my comment that I didn't like the user experience of the EVE the minute I turned it on, before installing any apps. In fact during my review, I didn't install any apps apart from Facebook, Seesmic (for twitter) and Opera.

Cheers!

 

[GreatBigDog]

LG EVE has 150MB RAM and 512MB ROM (Confirmed by LG)

Hence the phone is upgradeable to Android donut (1.6) or Eclair (2.0/2.1)

However since RAM is a bit anemic, I'm not sure how the phone will behave with the OS upgrade.

My guess is that if you have few applications downloaded and if one is not running a lot of applications concurrently the User experience should be fine.

However if one has Tens/hundreds of apps with many of them running concurrently (Widgets, Media player, other apps) the phone will not be very responsive.

Remember that we are talking about essentially Java apps running in a JVM. Garbage collection may have to run more often to to free up memory space. There is a limit to what can be optimized with 150MB

LG/Rogers should offer the LG Eve owners an upgrade to 2.0/2.1 or at least 1.6 while letting them know that the User Experience may suffer.

Note:
I'm baffled by the decision to have 150MB ( I understand the cost factors: tens of cents x few million phones= some good saving).
G1 had 192MB of RAM and HTC must have decided that it wasn't enough and had it upgraded to 288 in G2 (HTC Magic).

I'm wondering if that 150MB of RAM is what is available to the user? If someone with an eve could check to see how much space they have available on their phone that would tell. If they don't have many apps yet and have over 100MB remaining it would indicate that the phone has more RAM than what's listed, the remainder of which is reserved for the OS and swap.

on G1 of that 192 only 92 is available to the user.

gbd

 

[androidandrogersdontmix]

After everything we have experienced, why oh why do some of you still hold on to this "love" for Android? This is not meant as an insult or otherwise, I just need to know what some of you still "love" about this phone or OS.

Having owned a Magic, and now have a "jail-broken" iPhone to compare to... I cannot see a single advantage to the Android. I used to think the lack of replaceable battery or the lack of multi-tasking were the biggest issues but both of those are non-issues now.

What is to love about the Android Magic over other smartphones? Am I the ONLY Android owner that had a terrible user experience with this phone (both hardware AND OS)?

Come on sconnelly I'm surprised at u aswell. After all the hard work we put in to make this whole android experience a bit better here in canada and then u just jump onto the iphone bandwagon. I see good things in androids future and that why I'm sticking with it. I like the os and the hardware(mostly). My comment about getting the blackberry and then just selling was basically just my stab and getting the most for myself out of this situation. I wasn't only offered the blackberry either I was offered basically any phone other then the iphone because of stock issues. The only reason I got the 9700 blackberry over all the other choices was because it was selling for the most on kijiji that's all I was thinking.

 

[boualem]

I'm wondering if that 150MB of RAM is what is available to the user? If someone with an eve could check to see how much space they have available on their phone that would tell. If they don't have many apps yet and have over 100MB remaining it would indicate that the phone has more RAM than what's listed, the remainder of which is reserved for the OS and swap.

on G1 of that 192 only 92 is available to the user.

gbd

I don't have the list of components for the LG Eve.
However, I can tell you that LG Eve was essentially a low cost phone to the carrier:
- Smaller screen
- Smaller RAM
- Resistive touch screen (instead of capacitive)
- etc.

 

[boualem]

Hi Folks. As promised, I'm here to provide you with some more information

It's great to hear that everyone is pleased by HTC's agreement to upgrade Magic to 2.1. We pushed hard on your behalf and are pleased with that part. When it comes to Dream, we share in your frustration that the device does not have the required on-board memory for an upgrade. We've reviewed this internally and believe that Dream users should be able to have the same HTC Android experience as those who purchased the Magic. So, we are offering our HTC Dream customers a limited time opportunity to upgrade from their current HTC Dream device to the HTC Magic.

We're working on finalizing the details of that promotion now but wanted to let you know the great news as soon as possible. Please be patient as this is not yet available in-store, online or through customer care. I will be back next week to provide you with more information. ‬

Stay tuned!
@RogersMary

A big thank you, to you and your team for all your efforts!

Questions:

1. Have you and your teams discussed LG Eve upgrade options?
2. Are you planning to push as hard LG on "LG Eve owners" behalf as you pushed HTC?
3. And if that fails, would you be extending the same offer you are planning for "HTC Dream owners" to "LG Eve Owners"?

 

[GreatBigDog]

Does somebody who has an LG EVE, want to download and install Quick Settings from the Market. When you run it, you can see your phone freespace at the top in percentage and Mb. Report back to the form with what you have so we can finally determine what the actual ram on the device is. You can just scan the Q code below or search on the market for "Quick Settings"

 

[fugdup]

Does somebody who has an LG EVE, want to download and install Quick Settings from the Market. When you run it, you can see your phone freespace at the top in percentage and Mb. Report back to the form with what you have so we can finally determine what the actual ram on the device is. You can just scan the Q code below or search on the market for "Quick Settings"

I have the Eve and after installing this app, it tells me there is 122Mb available. Hope this answers the questions.

I would also like to take the time to say that I have been on my own crusade to get 1.6 or newer on my Eve to no avail. I have been in contact with both Rogers and LG and haven't gotten anywhere. Phone calls will be my next plan of attack. Sorry I haven't been posting any of this, but I will let you all know in good time (hopefully with good news).

 

[boualem]

I have the Eve and after installing this app, it tells me there is 122Mb available. Hope this answers the questions.

I would also like to take the time to say that I have been on my own crusade to get 1.6 or newer on my Eve to no avail. I have been in contact with both Rogers and LG and haven't gotten anywhere. Phone calls will be my next plan of attack. Sorry I haven't been posting any of this, but I will let you all know in good time (hopefully with good news).

I use " Internal Memory Widget".

It provides memory details in this format:
- "Used up to 127mb out of 295mb"

 

[GreatBigDog]

I have the Eve and after installing this app, it tells me there is 122Mb available. Hope this answers the questions.

I would also like to take the time to say that I have been on my own crusade to get 1.6 or newer on my Eve to no avail. I have been in contact with both Rogers and LG and haven't gotten anywhere. Phone calls will be my next plan of attack. Sorry I haven't been posting any of this, but I will let you all know in good time (hopefully with good news).

That means that the Eve most likely has at least 256Mb Ram with 106Mb going to the OS and the remaining 150Mb going to the user. From what I have been able to find online the Eve has 512Mb of Rom so this is good news!!

This means that the Eve has enough Ram and Rom to be capable of running a 2.X version of Android, if anything LG might have to move the Ram allocation around a bit to create more room for OS to run in.

gbd

 

[GreatBigDog]

I use " Internal Memory Widget".

It provides memory details in this format:
- "Used up to 127mb out of 295mb"

That's even better than my previous post. That means that the Eve comes in with slightly better specs than the Magic. If the Magic can run 2.1 then......

gbd

 

[boualem]

That means that the Eve most likely has at least 256Mb Ram with 106Mb going to the OS and the remaining 150Mb going to the user. From what I have been able to find online the Eve has 512Mb of Rom so this is good news!!

This means that the Eve has enough Ram and Rom to be capable of running a 2.X version of Android, if anything LG might have to move the Ram allocation around a bit to create more room for OS to run in.

gbd

You can't deduce "Total Memory" from "Available Memory".

To get the "Total Memory" size use an app like "Quick System Info" that gives you both.

Or you may use a Widget that constantly monitors/displays both like "Internal Memory Widget"


@fugdup could you try Installing and running "Quick System Info"

 

[boualem]

That's even better than my previous post. That means that the Eve comes in with slightly better specs than the Magic. If the Magic can run 2.1 then......

gbd

GBD: Sorry but I have an HTC Magic.

I was just posting an example of what you will get with the widget (on my Magic)

 

[Deleted User]

It is going to be sad to see my HTC Dream go. I really liked the hardware keyboard. The keyboard was the main reason I chose the HTC Dream over the Magic. However, I will be glad to have this whole issue resolved and go back to loving my Android phone. Thank you everyone for all of the hard work.

@RogersMary I look forward to hearing what Rogers has to offer. With this act Rogers has redeemed themselves in my book. Thanks.

 

[GreatBigDog]

You can't deduce "Total Memory" from "Available Memory".

To get the "Total Memory" size use an app like "Quick System Info" that gives you both.

Or you may use a Widget that constantly monitors/displays both like "Internal Memory Widget"


@fugdup could you try Installing and running "Quick System Info"

I'm just going on the assumption of appx 100Mb for OS and swap based on My Dream that has a total of 192Mb with 92Mb available to me. If the user has 122Mb available then the 150Mb that we have seen for the phone specs must be user available space.

gbd

 

[fugdup]

@fugdup could you try Installing and running "Quick System Info"

I have installed "quick system info", and it says Total Memory = 175MB, Available Internal Storage = 122MB and with nothing running in the background and my screen pretty dim I have 98MB free (but this ranges throughout the day).

 

[Andy2010]

looks like the developers from xda trying to port LG eve to 2.0. You can follow the thread here

Zac's Pad

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=585784

 

[Staz]

Man this is sad. I tried rooting my rogers Dream and bricked it twice. I really hope they would release the official 1.6 on rogers

 

[GreatBigDog]

If anybody is interested, here is the twitter page for LG Canada

@lgcanada

 

[GreatBigDog]

Man this is sad. I tried rooting my rogers Dream and bricked it twice. I really hope they would release the official 1.6 on rogers

Full Update Guide - Rogers Dream EBI1 to CyanogenMod - CyanogenMod Wiki

Read it, understand it, ask questions, ask more questions, if you are unsure then don't do it. That said, if you follow the above instructions for the Dream you should be OK.

gbd