Romney vs. Obama

[cjr72]

I'm thinking that you are probably most closely aligned with the Libertarians. In fact, I'd guess that most people would match more closely with Libertarians if they took a test based on their positions on various topics.

This post reminded me of an online test I took several years ago: The Political Compass. It plots Left - Right on the x-axis and Libertarian - Authoritarian along the y-axis. I just took it again and for what it's worth I came out as a right leaning libertarian which is consistent with the first time I took it several years ago.

 

[ElasticNinja]

So the Huffington Post says that Mitt Romney's Bain Capital was seeded with money from Latin American death squads. What's the difference in that and the Democrats being underwritten by Planned Parenthood and NARAL? If they're not death squads, I don't know what is.

Oh! The hypocrisy! Thy name is Democrat.

Ther is a difference between gangsters murdering people with families and friends and a woman terminating prior to the development of her pregnancy into a viable baby.

Hey, I can not help it if my registered party has been taken over by far lefties. The sad thing is almost all in both parties are narcissists and in it for themselves, plus supported by an entourage of bottom feeders.

What Washington needs is an enema!

Given that the Democrats are center-right in general, there is a problem with the US political system if it has been taken over by Communists.

 

[Lord Vader]

Ther is a difference between gangsters murdering people with families and friends and a woman terminating prior to the development of her pregnancy into a viable baby.

There is no difference between the intentional killing of human beings at any age. Both end a human life. That is an irrefutable, biological fact.

 

[rushmore]

I'm thinking that you are probably most closely aligned with the Libertarians. In fact, I'd guess that most people would match more closely with Libertarians if they took a test based on their positions on various topics. And as long as everybody keeps aligning themselves with parties they disagree with, the two parties will continue to go against what the people want.

But like the other two parties, things in their "platform" conflict with me. Best fit was the dems when I registered, but voted:

Bush
Clinton
Clinton
Bush
Bush
Mccain.... That one did not work out too well.

Again, the republicans seems the least of the evils, for the two realistic options. Obama and his team have the business and leadership skills of bubblegum.

 

[rushmore]

Ther is a difference between gangsters murdering people with families and friends and a woman terminating prior to the development of her pregnancy into a viable baby.
Given that the Democrats are center-right in general, there is a problem with the US political system if it has been taken over by Communists.

Respectfully, this is what is wrong with libs: How arrogant can one be to think "viable baby"? Real simple: When conceived it is a living being, but even through compromise of position and belief, the clinical point the baby could survive outside the womb is a "viable baby".

How are dems currently center-right?? Is this a relative term, so they are now more left, so that is the new relative right?

The lib theme song should be "The World Revolves Around Me". Featuring the common word cloud of Obama in his speeches: me & I. Jeepers, with a self-interest habit like that, he would be doing a LOT of mountain climbing and push-ups in Marine bootcamp

Added:

Not picking on you, but I can not wrap in my brain around the lib perspective of "viable baby", but it fits in their approach they are never at fault in anything- it is always someone or something else- or unexpected. In this case, a "viable baby".

 

[A.Nonymous]

Papa John's CEO said that if/when Obamacare goes into play in 2014 that he will be forced to either raise the cost of pizzas or cut back the hours on his employees so they no longer qualify as full time. To him the issue is cost. Shockingly businesses aren't just taking the hit out of their profits. They're passing the costs along to their employees and/or customers.

Papa John's John Schnatter Says 'Obamacare' Will Up Pizza Price - ABC News

 

[Lord Vader]

A.N, I have a friend of mine who owns his own P.I. company in Chicago. He employs a few dozen people (at least). His business has been successful for some time. I saw him a couple weeks ago, and we got to talking about the horrible economic climate of Illinois specifically but in business in general. He told me that Obamacare and this president's terrible, anti-job growth mentality and policies have caused him to stop hiring new employees. "It has become too expensive to do business, and there is too much uncertainty because of Obamacare," said Bill.

He further explained that he has had to let people go because of this and expects that trend to continue solely because he can't afford to abide by the onerous burdens Obamacare will impose on him. One thing he is seriously considering is dropping health care coverage altogether for all his employees and just paying the fine that Obamacare will consequently impose. "It's a lot cheaper to do it that way then to cover all my employees in the manner the health care law requires," he explained.

How sad.

 

[ElasticNinja]

Respectfully, this is what is wrong with libs: How arrogant can one be to think "viable baby"? Real simple: When conceived it is a living being, but even through compromise of position and belief, the clinical point the baby could survive outside the womb is a "viable baby".

Well its about as living as an organ or two in the womans body.

How are dems currently center-right?? Is this a relative term, so they are now more left, so that is the new relative right?

No... it is not. The Democrats are basically a center right party with liberal and conservative wings. Its lack of strong support for a welfare state or UHC actually puts it to the right of Christian/Islamic Democracy parties that we have in Europe. There is not viable political party to the left of center in the US. Do not kid yourself.

Of course, being the party closest to the center it will pick up left wingers as there really is no place for them in American politics elsewhere. The US doesnt have a legit social democratic party never mind some sort of socialist one.

The lib theme song should be "The World Revolves Around Me". Featuring the common word cloud of Obama in his speeches: me & I. Jeepers, with a self-interest habit like that, he would be doing a LOT of mountain climbing and push-ups in Marine bootcamp

Added:

Not picking on you, but I can not wrap in my brain around the lib perspective of "viable baby", but it fits in their approach they are never at fault in anything- it is always someone or something else- or unexpected. In this case, a "viable baby".

Ah thats an awful lot of generalising. Anyway I dont understand this classing of Democrats as liberals. Only a certain percentage of them seem to be so. Obama seems to be a liberal at heart but Clinton not really so.

 

[RazorSharp]

Your incredulity is showing. I think your perceived wall may be in part to your perception that your perceived way is the right way, hence any varied perspective is a wall.

I was getting frustrated because I am attempting to engage those with opposing viewpoints in logical evidence-based debate and getting rebuffed or ignored.

A health care bill that is a small fraction of really that and the vast majority to grow government and will cause a huge tax increase (per the supreme court it is a tax) and cause costs to go up and businesses to bail.

Health care reform will cause a tax increase, but it's hardly unprecedented. However, that graphic is actually flawed - it included taxes not a part of the health care bill, and also fails to include the tax credits that are a part of the bill. Obamacare was passed as a budget reconciliation. It includes changes in biofuel tax, tanning salon tax and other adjustments. It closes loopholes or reduces tax deductions for uncovered out-of-pocket medical expenses (i.e. non-essential cosmetic surgery) and flexible spending accounts for school tuition, and a change in capital gains tax. The actual numbers would be quite a bit lower. The vast majority of the tax hikes consist of a small increase on the top income tax bracket, but for some reason even middle-class Republicans consider that suggestion anathema.

According to the Congressional Budget Office, insurance premiums will only rise for a small portion of the insurance market, while other groups will actually see a decrease - because of the individual mandate requiring everyone to have health care, the amount of healthy people now buying insurance actually reduces premium costs.

I lived in England for four years. Government healthcare sucks real bad.

Obamacare is definitely not "government healthcare"; in fact, that title earned Politifact's "Biggest Lie of the Year" in 2010.

Hundreds of billions wasted on bad energy investments that the CBO and others warned about prior.

I absolutely support the investments into research for alternative energies and fuels. The renewable energy market is on the rise, and continuing to invest in and give tax credits to green companies to foster a successful renewable energy sector will only benefit our economy through good jobs and helping wean us off of foreign oil. And regardless of politics, the fact remains that fossil fuels are finite and will eventually run out - we need to be supporting these initiatives.

Most important, there's no way that giving money to alternative energy companies that later failed is worse than the massive amount of money that has been "lost" and wasted by contractors in Iraq - $60 billion and growing.

 

[Lord Vader]

Well its about as living as an organ or two in the womans body.

Absolutely and unequivocally WRONG. An organ doesn't have a beating heart, a sentient brain, and everything else. An unborn baby has all of the organs you and I have and is the same as you and me except in size and typical stages of development (i.e., physical, intellectual, etc.).

 

[ElasticNinja]

I lived in England for four years. Government healthcare sucks real bad.

Yet the average Englishman will live five years longer than you statistically, and UK healthcare spending is 40% that of the US. Forty bloody percent.

 

[OutofDate1980]

... Liberals should get out of politics and trying to lead people and stick to what they are good at: Acting, kick a$$ rock bands, art and other entertainment stuff ...

Another study proves conservatives are lazy and stupid.

Low-Effort Thought Promotes Political Conservatism

"Together these data suggest that political conservatism may be a process consequence of low-effort thought; when effortful, deliberate thought is disengaged, endorsement of conservative ideology increases."

 

[cjr72]

No... it is not. The Democrats are basically a center right party with liberal and conservative wings. Its lack of strong support for a welfare state or UHC actually puts it to the right of Christian/Islamic Democracy parties that we have in Europe. There is not viable political party to the left of center in the US. Do not kid yourself.

I'm not sure how useful it is to compare to Europe though in as much as the terms 'left' and 'right' simply denote the opposite ends of the political spectrum. The political spectrum of Europe is different than that of the US.

 

[ElasticNinja]

I'm not sure how useful it is to compare to Europe though in as much as the terms 'left' and 'right' simply denote the opposite ends of the political spectrum. The political spectrum of Europe is different than that of the US.

The US is on this planet like every other country, it is not some sort of exception. Seriously "left" and "right" is the same across the world, from Chile to Japan. Just because US parties are off kilter doesnt give America the right to unilaterally redefine things.

 

[ylexot]

The US is on this planet like every other country, it is not some sort of exception. Seriously "left" and "right" is the same across the world, from Chile to Japan. Just because US parties are off kilter doesnt give America the right to unilaterally redefine things.

Please define left and right for us then.

 

[A.Nonymous]

A.N, I have a friend of mine who owns his own P.I. company in Chicago. He employs a few dozen people (at least). His business has been successful for some time. I saw him a couple weeks ago, and we got to talking about the horrible economic climate of Illinois specifically but in business in general. He told me that Obamacare and this president's terrible, anti-job growth mentality and policies have caused him to stop hiring new employees. "It has become too expensive to do business, and there is too much uncertainty because of Obamacare," said Bill.

He further explained that he has had to let people go because of this and expects that trend to continue solely because he can't afford to abide by the onerous burdens Obamacare will impose on him. One thing he is seriously considering is dropping health care coverage altogether for all his employees and just paying the fine that Obamacare will consequently impose. "It's a lot cheaper to do it that way then to cover all my employees in the manner the health care law requires," he explained.

How sad.

I call shenanigans on the story. The provisions in Obamacare requiring employers to cover their employees don't go into effect until 2014 and I think, but could be wrong, that they only apply to those who employ 50 or more employees.

Yet the average Englishman will live five years longer than you statistically, and UK healthcare spending is 40% that of the US. Forty bloody percent.

Of UK healthcare spending, how much of it goes to overhead and compliance? Here it is a huge chunk of healthcare costs.

 

[Rachel A]

Yet the average Englishman will live five years longer than you statistically, and UK healthcare spending is 40% that of the US. Forty bloody percent.

Lived there for 35 years. It may have not have been the best thing since sliced bread (that would be Marmite for future reference) but it was a safety net.

I'm paying $900 a month right now for Cobra for my safety net. Wouldn't have to worry about that in England. I also worry about him much healthcare will cost when I retire. England again looks a lot more tempting...

I love America but it's current healthcare system sucks.

 

[Lord Vader]

I call shenanigans on the story. The provisions in Obamacare requiring employers to cover their employees don't go into effect until 2014 and I think, but could be wrong, that they only apply to those who employ 50 or more employees.



Of UK healthcare spending, how much of it goes to overhead and compliance? Here it is a huge chunk of healthcare costs.

Would you like to speak to him then? Give him a call if you don't believe what I am telling you. I'll provide you his name, #, and company name if you think this is a "story" that is shenanigans. He's the owner of his company and knows better than anyone that he will suffer because of Obamacare.

 

[ElasticNinja]

Lived there for 35 years. It may have not have been the best thing since sliced bread (that would be Marmite for future reference) but it was a safety net.

I'm paying $900 a month right now for Cobra for my safety net. Wouldn't have to worry about that in England. I also worry about him much healthcare will cost when I retire. England again looks a lot more tempting...

I love America but it's current healthcare system sucks.

Yeah I'm not saying its perfect or anything but any problems by and large can be attributed to over efficiency.

Please define left and right for us then.

Left is your socialists, social democrats, communists, greens etc.
Right is your free marketeers, libertarians, conservatives, facists, nationalists, Christian/Islamic democrats etc.

Of UK healthcare spending, how much of it goes to overhead and compliance? Here it is a huge chunk of healthcare costs.

Well you have a problem then that the government must solve as the market has failed to.

 

[OutofDate1980]

Please define left and right for us then.

The US needs a better nutrition delivery program for children, less they grow up to be stupid and conservative.

Low IQ & Conservative Beliefs Linked to Prejudice | Racism, Bias & Politics | Right-Wing and Left-Wing Ideology | LiveScience

"The research finds that children with low intelligence are more likely to hold prejudiced attitudes as adults. These findings point to a vicious cycle, according to lead researcher Gordon Hodson, a psychologist at Brock University in Ontario.

Low-intelligence adults tend to gravitate toward socially conservative ideologies, the study found. Those ideologies, in turn, stress hierarchy and resistance to change, attitudes that can contribute to prejudice, Hodson wrote in an email to LiveScience."

 

[ylexot]

Left is your socialists, social democrats, communists, greens etc.

How does that not describe Democrats in the US?

Right is your free marketeers, libertarians, conservatives, facists, nationalists, Christian/Islamic democrats etc.

In what way are Democrats for the free market?

 

[ylexot]

The US needs a better nutrition delivery program for children, less they grow up to be stupid and conservative.

Low IQ & Conservative Beliefs Linked to Prejudice | Racism, Bias & Politics | Right-Wing and Left-Wing Ideology | LiveScience

"The research finds that children with low intelligence are more likely to hold prejudiced attitudes as adults. These findings point to a vicious cycle, according to lead researcher Gordon Hodson, a psychologist at Brock University in Ontario.

Low-intelligence adults tend to gravitate toward socially conservative ideologies, the study found. Those ideologies, in turn, stress hierarchy and resistance to change, attitudes that can contribute to prejudice, Hodson wrote in an email to LiveScience."

That's interesting considering that I have an IQ of 142 which puts me in the genius category.

 

[ElasticNinja]

How does that not describe Democrats in the US?

Where is your carbon tax, healthcare system, social welfare, state capitalism, decreasing of class disparities etc? hmmm?

In what way are Democrats for the free market?

Well I'm all for the free market and I'm to the left of the average Democrat, but the free market has to be managed sometimes, thats one of the main reasons we have a government...

That's interesting considering that I have an IQ of 142 which puts me in the genius category.

IQ as a measure of perception and intelligence is very debatable though.

 

[cjr72]

The US is on this planet like every other country, it is not some sort of exception. Seriously "left" and "right" is the same across the world, from Chile to Japan. Just because US parties are off kilter doesnt give America the right to unilaterally redefine things.

What constitutes left and right are relative to the political spectrum being described:

Thus, the word 'left' in US political parlance may refer to 'liberalism' and be identified with the Democratic Party, whereas in a country such as France these positions would be regarded as relatively more right-wing, and 'left' is more likely to refer to 'socialist' positions rather than 'liberal' ones.

 

[OutofDate1980]

The US is on this planet like every other country, it is not some sort of exception. Seriously "left" and "right" is the same across the world, from Chile to Japan. Just because US parties are off kilter doesnt give America the right to unilaterally redefine things.

The right's stupidity spreads, enabled by a too-polite left | George Monbiot | Comment is free | The Guardian

"But what we now see among their parties