rushmore
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That is subjective and depends on the weight of neo Vs classic weight of how an economy is ran and trade balances, GDP and liquidity. Too many variables to extrapolate such a certain solution.
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That is subjective and depends on the weight of neo Vs classic weight of how an economy is ran and trade balances, GDP and liquidity. Too many variables to extrapolate such a certain solution.
rushmore
Extreme Android User
Through the war and years beyond, spending was kept in check (to some degree) with bonds as well as trade agreements with other VERY thankful countries. Not apples to apples at all, but a common "misnomer" that I will admit actually using as a comparison many years ago on a quiz. I got a zero on the quiz.
RazorSharp
Android Expert
Actually, I don't recall hearing much about Bush golfing. Per the article I linked above, he spent his vacations as follows:
490 days at his Crawford, Texas ranch
487 days at Camp David
43 days at Kennebunkport, Maine
I do remember many articles deriding him for being at his ranch all the time, but as I said, not much about him golfing.
Hahahaha. That article was hilarious. The guy has absolutely zero proof besides a "gut instinct", but all he has to do is whisper "socialist cabal" and all the conspiracy theorists go off the handle. The irony of you saying that tax returns are private and aren't important but school records are is just too much. For the record, Obama doesn't have any sealed records (see this from FactCheck.org), so this guy literally has no idea what the hell he's talking about, and neither do you.
A.Nonymous
Extreme Android User
Not sure why school records are relevant given that Obama has been on the job for 4 years now. You don't have any clue whether he's qualified or not at this point?
Still have no clue why anyone's tax returns are relevant at all. 99% of people aren't qualified enough to dig through hundreds of pages of returns to come up with any worthwhile information. The left is going to dig through them and find something to smash Romney for regardless of what is actually there. All of it just distracts from the real issues like the economy, the fact that we're still mired overseas, healthcare, out of control government spending, etc.....
Still have no clue why anyone's tax returns are relevant at all. 99% of people aren't qualified enough to dig through hundreds of pages of returns to come up with any worthwhile information. The left is going to dig through them and find something to smash Romney for regardless of what is actually there. All of it just distracts from the real issues like the economy, the fact that we're still mired overseas, healthcare, out of control government spending, etc.....
rushmore
Extreme Android User
That is the point. One standard for all. The media is pushing for it (by the apparent initiation of Reid), yet zero effort for any form of record or fact checking checking on BO. One standard, rather than a conditional one that favors a specific political affiliation. Check everything the same for both.
Ironic, considering Reid makes no effort to disclose his taxes. Hypocrisy personified.
Ironic, considering Reid makes no effort to disclose his taxes. Hypocrisy personified.
RazorSharp
Android Expert
- all presidential candidates for the past several elections have released theirs
- proof of Romney's extensive offshore accounts/investments would make gigantic holes in his claims that he loves and has faith in America, and show that he is a tax gamer who exploits loopholes to pay as little as possible back to the country
- if Harry Reid is correct and Romney has actually paid zero taxes for a decade, that absolutely is important and something the people have a right to know
- Romney's being hypocritical (big shock), he's demanded in past elections that his opponents release their tax records. From this:
"Romney tried this bluff years ago, when he ran for Senate in 1994 against Ted Kennedy. Romney told voters he’d release his tax returns when Kennedy released his. [He never did.] Romney liked the tactic so well, that when Romney was running for governor in 2002, he pulled it again. Unfortunately for him, all of his Democratic opponents — Robert Reich, Tom Birmingham, and Shannon O`Brien — released their returns. When that didn’t work, Romney came after his Democratic opponent and said when her spouse released his tax returns, Romney would release his." [He never did.] - From the same article:
"Romney was telling everyone [in 2002] they didn’t need to see his returns, but he would tell them what they needed to know. Romney assured everyone that he was eligible to run for governor because he had filed his taxes as a resident of Massachusetts and Utah." However, he actually admitted just a few days ago that in 2002, he amended his 1999 and 2000 Massachusetts state tax returns to make him a MA resident. "Romney amended his returns to say what he needed them to say back then, and now we’re supposed to trust Romney on this same subject."
Romney's tax returns are important - as is everything else he's hiding.
rushmore
Extreme Android User
BO needs to put up, or the media shuts up. Why no same standard for BO or other liberals? Just because the media are mainly liberal and the people they apply their standard to are not... oh yeah, THAT is why. Standard comparisons and disclosure only suit liberals when it helps them. Another liberal 101 tactic along with using things people care about as a Trojan horse for what they really want to push through.
Full disclosure for BOTH candidates. School, taxes, everything. Unless the media did so with BO before elected?? Suuuuure.
Full disclosure for BOTH candidates. School, taxes, everything. Unless the media did so with BO before elected?? Suuuuure.
RazorSharp
Android Expert
Put up what, exactly?
Are you kidding? Do you not remember the birther movement? The media frenzy (that still continues) about trying to uncover every detail about Obama's birth, schooling, family, etc? Obama has had an enormous amount of media scrutiny on him.
OutofDate1980
Android Expert
Your source is a right ring nut rag. Waste of time. :ciao:
FactCheck.org : Obama at Columbia University
The enrollment in the early
Lord Vader
Android Enthusiast
It's obvious he's hiding SOMEthing, because his job performance clearly indicates he was a flop at school.
ElasticNinja
Android Expert
Define a "flop". Obama is probably in the top 5-10% of the population intellect wise.
OutofDate1980
Android Expert
Obama already has (Birth Certificate). Romney's turn (Tax Returns).
Lord Vader
Android Enthusiast
Ha! Now that's hilarious! Thank God I knew you were being totally sarcastic when you posted that.
Listed below are 10 direct quotes. You have to guess which American politician said it. Your four choices are:
Former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin
Former VP Dan Quayle
President Barack Obama
Former President George W. Bush
Ready? Here we go!
1) "Let me be absolutely clear. Israel is a strong friend of Israel 's."
A. Barack Obama
B. Dan Quayle
C. Sarah Palin
D. George W. Bush
2) "I've now been in 57 states I think one left to go."
A. Barack Obama
B. Dan Quayle
C. Sarah Palin
D. George W. Bush
3) "On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes, and I see many of them in the audience here today."
A. Barack Obama
B. Dan Quayle
C. Sarah Palin
D. George W. Bush
4) "What they'll say is, 'Well it costs too much money,'but you know what? It would cost, about. It it it would cost about the same as what we would spend. It. Over the course of 10 years it would cost what it would costs us. (nervous laugh) All right. Okay. We're going to. It. It would cost us about the same as it would cost for about hold on one second. I can't hear myself. But I'm glad you're fired up, though. I'm glad."
A. Barack Obama
B. Dan Quayle
C. Sarah Palin
D. George W. Bush
5) "The reforms we seek would bring greater competition, choice, savings and inefficiencies to our health care system."
A. Barack Obama
B. Dan Quayle
C. Sarah Palin
D. George W. Bush
6) "I bowled a 129. It's like - it was like the Special Olympics, or something."
A. Barack Obama
B. Dan Quayle
C. Sarah Palin
D. George W. Bush
7) "Of the many responsibilities granted to a president by our Constitution, few are more serious or more consequential than selecting a Supreme Court justice. The members of our highest court are granted
life tenure, often serving long after the presidents who appointed them. And they are charged with the vital task of applying principles put to paper more than 20 centuries ago to some of the most difficult questions of our time."
A. Barack Obama
B. Dan Quayle
C. Sarah Palin
D. George W. Bush
8) "Everybody knows that it makes no sense that you send a kid to the emergency room for a treatable illness like asthma, they end up taking up a hospital bed, it costs, when, if you, they just gave, you gave
them treatment early and they got some treatment, and a, a breathalyzer, or inhalator, not a breathalyzer. I haven't had much sleep in the last 48 hours."
A. Barack Obama
B. Dan Quayle
C. Sarah Palin
D. George W. Bush
9) "It was interesting to see that political interaction in Europe is not that different from the United States Senate. There's a lot of I don't know what the term is in Austrian, wheeling and dealing."
A. Barack Obama
B. Dan Quayle
C. Sarah Palin
D. George W. Bush
10) "I have made good judgments in the past. I have made good judgments in the future."
A. Barack Obama
B. Dan Quayle
C. Sarah Palin
D. George W. Bush
Sorry. This was a trick quiz. All of the correct answers are the same person. Each of these quotes are directly from President Barack Obama. And now you know why he brings his teleprompter with him everywhere he goes ...even when talking to a 6th grade class.
Of course, the media and public for years derided Quayle over that infamous "potatoe" incident, even though they never bothered to explain that the flash card Quayle was given had the INcorrect spelling on it, which is why he "corrected" the kid who originally spelled that word correctly. But I digress.
And some members of the media continue to insist he is "The smartest man ever elected to the Presidency".
Lord Vader
Android Enthusiast
And if you believe that birth certificate is actually authentic, McCain's going to win this year's election.
RazorSharp
Android Expert
Is there a reason you don't reply to posts that are refuting your statements and proving you wrong? Are you incapable of having any sort of debate? I'm still waiting for your responses to my posts proving many of your statements flat out wrong: here, here, here, and here.And if you believe that birth certificate is actually authentic, McCain's going to win this year's election.
Bob Maxey
Android Expert
Last I checked, you ain't king.
You do not need to be a king. Try voting.
People seem to think there is no hope for America; that what we have is what we will always have. BS, I call Shenanigans. Do not think for one minute the vote is not all powerful. Voting will remove bad politicians and no amount of PAC money will let them keep their jobs.
The problem is not stupid officials, it is a ignorant populace.
A.Nonymous
Extreme Android User
ElasticNinja
Android Expert
Heh I'll go with A, in a just word Israel would be Israel's only friend. Still has Germany and the US but hey.
Lord Vader
Android Enthusiast
Amen! One of the most accurate and absolutely correct statements regarding elections and their consequences. One of the clearest examples of this is Illinois, the most corrupt state in the country (sorry, New Jersey and Louisiana). Time and space don't permit going into the tons of details, but search the Chicago Tribune's editorials for stories on IL. House Speaker Mike Madigan, the unions, pensions, and similar topics, and you will find how the voters of this state keep getting screwed big time. The voters whine and bitch and scream, but guess what? They vote back in the same damn fools, because they're too stupid to put aside partisanship, union scare tactics, etc. (Note: In Illinois, there really isn't much of a difference between the two parties.)
(Four Illinois governors in the last 40 years have gone to jail: two Democrats and two Republicans. The Chicago City Council, the largest city council of any major city in the U.S. at 50 members called aldermen, has had 27 of them go to jail. That's over half. Unbelievable.)
And don't get me started about a certain voting bloc, a minority group that keeps electing/re-electing persons who vote to hurt said minority group but win anyway solely because they're of the same group. Makes no sense at all. An IL. House Democrat is indicted on bribery--there are audio recordings revealing his bribery--and he STILL gets 72% of the vote in the Democratic Primary?!? Of course, what do his fellow House members, chief among them his fellow Democrats, do? Why, they decide they should vote to expel him from the House only now--when it's too late to hold a special primary. Instead, party leaders get to select his replacement on the November ballot, ensuring that they will have a winnable nominee.
To call this state a sewer is an insult to sewers everywhere.
A.Nonymous
Extreme Android User
And if you believe that birth certificate is actually authentic, McCain's going to win this year's election.
No offense, but I have a hard time taking anyone seriously if they buy into the birther nonsense that has been thoroughly and completely debunked. Why anyone still believes that crap is beyond me.
gamblor01
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THANK YOU!! The entire world needs to get over this birth certificate thing. The thing is real and the dude was born here. Get over it.
I feel the exact same way about Romney's tax returns and the exact same way about Obama's college records. It's all BS and all distracts from what people should be worried about which is the candidate that has the best ideas to:
- fix a broken economy
- fix a declining education system (with costs constantly rising)
- fix a crappy healthcare system
- mend broken diplomatic relations
- withdraw troops from pointless and costly wars
- alleviate drained budgets and foreclosures
and so on. Whenever people start bringing up the birth certificate, college transcripts, tax returns, etc. I usually have a hard time respecting anything else they say from that point on.
I feel for these candidates sometimes, I really do. As much I don't like Romney, I think the whole tax return nonsense is ridiculous. The guy makes a ton of money, and he probably does store some of it in foreign investments and in offshore accounts to avoid taxes. I'm sure everything he did was legal and everything he did was to pay the lowest amount of taxes he could legally do. SO WHAT?!?!?! It doesn't mean he hates America. Show me the tax return of someone who was entitled to numerous deductions and credits but opted not to take them. I don't mean that they were unaware of the credits...I mean that they were aware of the credit/deduction yet made a conscious decision to not take it and to pay more taxes on purpose. I seriously doubt any such American exists.
GET OVER IT ALREADY. Discuss something that isn't all just smoke and mirrors.
Lord Vader
Android Enthusiast
Believe it or not, I actually agree with you. I keep telling people I know to give that birther thing a rest. Those folks remind me of the 9/11 conspiracy theorists.
I was actually just having a little fun with ya.
But imagine the legal ramifications IF it was somehow proven that Obama was not native born. Yikes!
OutofDate1980
Android Expert
Tax returns are fair game. The Republicans made a big fuss about birth certificate and Romney made a big fuss about his previous opponents tax returns.
Did Romney receive a tax ammesty for his illegal Swiss account ?
I think the public will learn a lot about tax loop holes that needs to be closed by the inspection of Romney's returns.
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