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rushmore said:
All moot though, since increasing taxes without a correlating and marginally higher increase in GDP (kept in check with liquidity and NOT credit) has no result but bad.
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If you introduce a tax that takes 10% of its value out of the economy, and use the spending on something that has, say, 45% of its value add to the economy, then its not really. Mind you, you have the degree :o
 
A.Nonymous said:
Many people make careers as politicians.
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And those are the ones who are failures. Obama's entire life has been one void of real life experiences and of real world consequences, of which this country is now paying a very high price (literally, too). He is a do nothing president, one who has gotten in more rounds of golf, though, in his 3 1/2 years than Bush did in 8. He has never met with congressional leaders to discuss economics or the budget, something his predecessors of both parties did (members of his own party have called him a detached president). Clinton, in fact, was excellent in this regard, having sat down with the opposing party to actually hammer out bills. Obama? Well, he's clueless as to how to run this country domestically. Instead, he'd rather spend time endlessly campaigning, fund-raising, and relying on teleprompters to deliver soaring speeches that instill fear among the American people.
 
Lord Vader said:
And those are the ones who are failures. Obama's entire life has been one void of real life experiences and of real world consequences, of which this country is now paying a very high price (literally, too). He is a do nothing president, one who has gotten in more rounds of golf, though, in his 3 1/2 years than Bush did in 8. He has never met with congressional leaders to discuss economics or the budget, something his predecessors of both parties did (members of his own party have called him a detached president). Clinton, in fact, was excellent in this regard, having sat down with the opposing party to actually hammer out bills. Obama? Well, he's clueless as to how to run this country domestically. Instead, he'd rather spend time endlessly campaigning, fund-raising, and relying on teleprompters to deliver soaring speeches that instill fear among the American people.
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Depends on how you define failure I guess. Guy earns 5 times the national average and likely takes home more in various book deals. When he leaves the White House be it this year or four years from now he will be set for life financially and make a mint for the rest of his life on speaker's fees. Not sure how you can consider that a failed career, but whatever. Disagree with his politics all you want, but I'd hardly call his career a failure.
 
Oh, you mean those books where in one it was determined that much of what he wrote was untrue?

Fictional authors often do make a lot of money, though.
 
Lord Vader said:
Oh, you mean those books where in one it was determined that much of what he wrote was untrue?

Fictional authors often do make a lot of money, though.
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Did they sell a bunch of copies? Yes. Is a book that sells a bunch of copies a success? Last I checked it is.
 
Like I said, fictional authors often do make lots of money. Too bad Obama tried to pass off his as non-fiction when, in fact, much of it was quite the opposite.

BTW, did you happen to see the piece by the pro-Obama Washington Post that explained how the economy actually lost jobs in July, and how the job market is getting worse?

All Romney needs to do is ask the single question: "Are you better off now than you were 4 years ago?" The answer an overwhelming majority of Americans would give is a resounding, "No!"
 
Lord Vader said:
BTW, did you happen to see the piece by the pro-Obama Washington Post that explained how the economy actually lost jobs in July, and how the job market is getting worse?
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Stupid Obama, why doesnt he force the Germans, Finns and Dutch to stop being jerks and solve the Eurocrisis? I would imagine if he sent the US forces in Germany to the Bundestag that would likewise have a bad effect on US job figures.
 
rushmore said:
... Throwing money into government with a weak trending to no growing GDP is an immediate decent on a diminished return chart. ...
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Ever heard of countercyclical economic policy ? Somewhat successful from the 30's till voodoo economics took over. National debt was quite manageable, employment rates were good during the Keynesian period.[FONT=&quot][/FONT]
 
ElasticNinja said:
If you introduce a tax that takes 10% of its value out of the economy, and use the spending on something that has, say, 45% of its value add to the economy, then its not really. Mind you, you have the degree :o
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Taxing without correlating GDP and liquidity as a validation results in immediate diminished returns due to negative systemic impact. An exception being road infrastructure. Adding thousands of jobs to the IRS and other non healthcare related things in a "healthcare law" is the complete opposite direction of growth. I think they know this and are doing by design, or are more ignorant than Carter's administration.

Added: I was hoping they were just ignorant, but seems there is a specific agenda to further weaken the economy. Else, they are Ernest Goes To Camp stupid.
 
OutofDate1980 said:
Ever heard of countercyclical economic policy ? Somewhat successful from the 30's till voodoo economics took over. National debt was quite manageable, employment rates were good during the Keynesian period.[FONT=&quot][/FONT]
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Of the five econ professors I have been taught by, even the one overt fan of heavy neo economic intervention stated the depression was prolonged due to this and it was sadly WWll that was the catalyst for recovery.

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Actually only had such discussion with four of them, so five is an exaggeration.
 
OutofDate1980 said:
Take note: BS is easily disproved, due to this thing called the internet.

Daily Kos: Republicans Supported an Individual Mandate Until Obama Did.

"Also, what many people don't know about Mitt Romney and the individual mandate is that when Obama was in the process of crafting his healthcare bill in 2009, Romney urged him to include an individual mandate in the bill."
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Mandate shamndate, since that is not the real issue, but the immense government growth that is the issue. A small fraction of the bill goes to actual healthcare. Based on the lack of fiscal logic, it seems the agenda is to use healthcare as the vehicle for much bigger government and a more dependent population.
 
rushmore said:
Of the five econ professors I have been taught by, even the one overt fan of heavy neo economic intervention stated the depression was prolonged due to this and it was sadly WWll that was the catalyst for recovery.

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Actually only had such discussion with four of them, so five is an exaggeration.
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You should demand a refund.

Do you think the massive government spending during WWII, as opposed to the relative minor government spending of the New Deal had a proportional effect on the economy ?
 
Lord Vader said:
He is a do nothing president, one who has gotten in more rounds of golf, though, in his 3 1/2 years than Bush did in 8.
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Your mindless rhetoric is getting tiresome. You insist on ignoring posts that refute your ridiculous assertions with actual facts, and continue to spread more lies. As usual, your claims are wrong.

FactCheck.org : The Traveling President, July 2011
"[T]he suggestion that Obama is traveling more often on the presidential plane, and traveling with larger entourages on international trips than past presidents, is badly mistaken."

Obama's Vacations? Of Any President, Bush Racked Up the Most | Politic365, May 2012
"Bush spent a total of 1,020 days away from the White House
 
RazorSharp said:
Your mindless rhetoric is getting tiresome. You insist on ignoring posts that refute your ridiculous assertions with actual facts, and continue to spread more lies. As usual, your claims are wrong.

FactCheck.org : The Traveling President, July 2011
"[T]he suggestion that Obama is traveling more often on the presidential plane, and traveling with larger entourages on international trips than past presidents, is badly mistaken."

Obama's Vacations? Of Any President, Bush Racked Up the Most | Politic365, May 2012
"Bush spent a total of 1,020 days away from the White House
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rushmore said:
Mandate shamndate, since that is not the real issue, but the immense government growth that is the issue. A small fraction of the bill goes to actual healthcare. Based on the lack of fiscal logic, it seems the agenda is to use healthcare as the vehicle for much bigger government and a more dependent population.
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From an aggregate expenditure (private & public) picture the health care reform will lower the total cost of health care, due to the market failure of the former system, efficiencies of scale, and market coverage.

I think you are confused as to the role of a government of the people is as to what is the role of monopolies and oligopolies. The role of the U.S. government includes providing for the general welfare of the citizens and each citizen gets one vote for a selection of leaders. The role of monopolies and oligopolies is to maximize profits for a select ownership group and depending on the corporate structure, those with a financial ownership in those entities' may vote for a management selected slate of board members in proportion to ones financial ownership.
 
Lord Vader said:
As usual, you cannot read what I posted. I said nothing about Obama's travels or vacations. I said that he has golfed more in 3 1/2 years than Bush did in 8. That is a fact, pure and simple.
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I assumed you meant general vacation time, I didn't think anyone would be ridiculous enough to specifically single out only one solitary type of recreational activity as a base for any sort of opinion. Unfortunately, I was mistaken. :rolleyes: Also, you don't get to say "as usual" about anything until you've actually replied to more than one of my posts.
Lord Vader said:
He has also held more fund-raising events than his predecessor.
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Oh dear, say it ain't so. :rolleyes:
 
RazorSharp said:
I assumed you meant general vacation time, I didn't think anyone would be ridiculous enough to specifically single out only one solitary type of recreational activity as a base for any sort of opinion.
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Of course, it was perfectly acceptable when Bush was derided for "all that golf" he did during his presidency; yet when Obama does it, not a word.
 
That's not the issue here. The real story is what is Obama hiding? If the article's author is lying, then Obama's records will prove this.

This is an issue far more serious and far more important than looking at some rich guy's tax returns.
 
Lord Vader said:
That's not the issue here. The real story is what is Obama hiding? If the article's author is lying, then Obama's records will prove this.

This is an issue far more serious and far more important than looking at some rich guy's tax returns.
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Exactly, what is this former Law Professor hiding ?

We know Romney is hiding his tax returns. There are questions if he received tax amnesty for holding a Switzerland illegal account, among other questions if he paid taxes. Follow his father's lead and release them.

As George Will suggested, Romney has something to hide. Do what all candidates have done in the past, release the tax returns.
 
Personally, I have NEVER believed ANY politician of ANY party should have to release his/her tax returns. Why the hell does the public need to know one's personal tax information? If someone did something illegal, that'll become public soon enough, and the public won't vote for said person.

Having said this, Romney's unreleased tax returns aren't nearly as damaging and threatening as Obama's records. Every day we learn more and more about just how much of a con artist this president has been throughout his political life. Heck, that's what helped him to get elected.

This issue must not die. The truth about Obama must come out.
 
OutofDate1980 said:
Exactly, what is this former Law Professor hiding ?

We know Romney is hiding his tax returns. There are questions if he received tax amnesty for holding a Switzerland illegal account, among other questions if he paid taxes. Follow his father's lead and release them.

As George Will suggested, Romney has something to hide. Do what all candidates have done in the past, release the tax returns.
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Real simple :) MR shows all his taxes and BO shows all of his grades from high school on up. We already know MR's grades, since the media (unlike for BO) have dug all the way to high school.

Why not the same effort for BO? For a guy that likes to talk a lot in front of people, not many from college on up ever recall him at class, besides a few photo ops he was part of for others.
 
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