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S3 lollipop

foster_426

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I've heard contradicting news about the s3 getting the lollipop update. I know the note2 is getting it but it would be nice of the s3 was getting it also. I just got the s3 a few months ago and it has 4.4.2. Some sites say it will get 5.0 and some say not at all. I just thought the s3 would get it if the note 2 is getting it since they're about the same age.
 
Its not getting it. You can get it with a custom rom. I'm running liquid smooth Lollipop on my s3.
 
Its not getting it. You can get it with a custom rom. I'm running liquid smooth Lollipop on my s3.
I've always been weary of rooting. I heard it voids the warranty and it might mess up certain features. Also, I don't want to lose certain touchwiz features like multi window.
 
Rooting is not for everyone.

At some point, every phone goes past its support date.

If you're happy and have too much at stake, don't bother. Your S3 can serve you a long time on the OS you have.

So long as you can take Google services updates, you can take most app updates.

That's a key advantage for Android in the update wars.

If you do want to investigate rooting, make sure you read the good and bad threads in the S3 root forum here.

Ask every question you have before taking a step. If you don't get a clear picture ahead of time, don't root.
 
>> Also, I don't want to lose certain touchwiz features like multi window

You can always root your phone, and not install a different ROM leaving Touchwiz as is. That's what I've done. Rooting is just the initial process, you can root your phone and just leave the Samsung stock ROM in place, the difference being you have more control what you do with it.
 
>> Also, I don't want to lose certain touchwiz features like multi window

You can always root your phone, and not install a different ROM leaving Touchwiz as is. That's what I've done. Rooting is just the initial process, you can root your phone and just leave the Samsung stock ROM in place, the difference being you have more control what you do with it.
So if I just root I wont risk features like camera and WiFi? Also, I could update to 5.0 without a new ROM?
 
So if I just root I wont risk features like camera and WiFi? Also, I could update to 5.0 without a new ROM?
To get 5.0 you would need a new rom. There aren't any touch wiz 5.0 roms yet. But the aosp and cm based ones are great. I have never found a use for multi window. And no if you do it right you won't lose camera or WiFi. Plus you just backup your stock rom, then if you don't like the new one just restore your backup and you're right back!
 
Updating to 5.0 is a new rom, whether you do it all at once as root, or as part of an OTA update for say, an SGS5.

Rom (typical definition) = kernel (boot image) + the /system partition where the OS lives

Change enough in the /system partition, it's a new rom for all real purposes.

I can only speak to feature details when rooting this phone as I only root a number of HTCs anymore.

The Samsungs I've rooted in the past have been to explicitly go to a custom rom.

You'll have to look at the various rom threads to see what works and what doesn't for this phone.

I've had roms that didn't have wifi or a camera - but in my case that was a) rare, b) the rom was a work in progress, or c) I moved on to a rom without the problems.

edit - ninja'd by @Madbat lol
 
First rule of rooting is to read, read, read and read some more.

Second rule is to go back and read again because you skipped one of the reads and deep down you know it.

Third rule is to ask questions first - to verify what you know and so you have buds who are ready to help you.

Fourth rule - follow instructions to the letter whether they make sense to you or not - because you've already asked from reading and if told to do it a certain way - don't deviate.

Fifth rule - don't panic.

Sixth rule - stop at the first sign of anything within the horizon of trouble and ask for help.

Seventh rule - when operating under the Sixth rule - don't panic.

Eighth rule - when not doing anything while awaiting help - don't do anything. Don't try anything. Just don't.

Ninth rule - when waiting for help, go back to First rule and respect the Eighth rule.

Tenth rule - profit.

What's going to make your fellow rooters nuts is the following post:

Hi, I know it's Friday night when everyone has a life but I just accidentally deleted my operating system and bricked my phone and now I don't know what to do, I need immediate help because my wife is waiting for my phone call and now I'll post this everywhere until someone helps me. I forget which instructions I used but everyone said they were pretty good. Tell me what I did wrong.

And if you think I'm making that post up, sadly I'm not. :D

The rules look simple compared to that.

And the more that the First through the Third rules are followed, the more we see -
Oh wow, I was scared at first but I followed the instructions and it turned out to be really simple.

Following my own advice, the biggest rooting problem I've ever really had is rooting with Windows and making sure that I have the right USB drivers.

If you see a need in rooting instructions for USB drivers, get that sorted first. In my opinion.
 
There are touchwiz based custom roms too :thumbsupdroid:

Yeah... but how many of them are perfect duplicates?

I tried likewise S5 twice in about 4 month gaps in between and both times I've had major issues with it, the second time I couldn't even download anything on the playstore on my data...
 
Yeah... but how many of them are perfect duplicates?

I tried likewise S5 twice in about 4 month gaps in between and both times I've had major issues with it, the second time I couldn't even download anything on the playstore on my data...
OK.

You got two subjects there if I followed you, I'm just going to address the first one.

To clarify, let's define root - root is the exact same thing as administrator access on your pc. The name of the admin account in Windows is Administrator, on Unix machines that account is named root.

Android is based on Linux (the desktop operating system), it's just a small version but it's Linux and Linux is from the Unix family - so it's root.

In this discussion, read my words twice if you want and where I say root, go ahead and say to yourself - admin.

Right now, Samsung and/or your carrier has root access to your phone.

And they use it with every OTA update.

There's a hidden piece of software under the hood that doesn't run so you can see it called recovery.

An OTA update is just a zip file containing some system stuff and a hands free installer - just like a pc, it needs an installer to install things.

Some stuff on your pc you install as admin by right clicking the install file. Etc etc etc.

On your phone, after the update downloads, it does its thing, often with a reboot and recovery runs - it recovers the update zip file and runs the installer. The password is encoded as a security signature in the zip file that no one has ever cracked.

So.

The first thing you do is use some tool - often just the one directly from Samsung and replace the built-in recovery with a "custom recovery."

It has either a simple or fancy interface just for you - you can see it and you can install zip files from the development community, no secure encrypted signature required.

At this point, you can just add the piece you're missing onto your current TouchWiz (rom) by installing a package called SuperSU.

It contains a binary library (under the hood stuff) and an app. That's it. Install that and boom, you're rooted. Everything stays the same.

Except - you can run apps requiring root access or get to hidden areas of your phone (only after you're an expert and not a second before).

When you run any root related app or operation, the SuperSU app blocks it and pops up a dialog for you - root access for XYZ: disallow, allow, or allow once. In the vernacular, root access is superuser access, superuser is the descriptive class for any operating system administrator or root or purple ponies account. Hence the name SuperSU. (Improved superuser from the old Android days - it's super superuser lol.)

You are now running a stock rooted rom.

Alternatively, you can install an entire rom with superuser already included.

Those will be TouchWiz based or other, as funky said.

TouchWiz based is what the name implies - not a perfect copy because you can do that yourself without a full rom installation.

Developers are users too, so they might start with TouchWiz and improve it as they see fit.

If it's a good developer, a lot of people agree and the rom becomes popular.

Ditto on the non-TouchWiz roms.

What if a rom is screwed up or screws up your phone?

You don't care.

Because you have read, read, read and read some more, despite what anyone says, you're first act after installing custom recovery is to use a root feature that your stock recovery does not have - you make a nandroid backup of your phone.

It backs up your entire working phone - TouchWiz, your apps, data, settings, the whole enchilada.

You restore a nandroid backup and it's like stepping through a time machine to the place you were before you messed around - only the custom recovery stays in place (along with other goodies down at its level like your radio firmware and so forth).

That's the big picture, there are a lot of details to it but that's generally it.

Rooting is not a cure all - it's just a gateway to performing admin level changes - that you have to pick out to suit your needs.
 
OK.

You got two subjects there if I followed you, I'm just going to address the first one.

To clarify, let's define root - root is the exact same thing as administrator access on your pc. The name of the admin account in Windows is Administrator, on Unix machines that account is named root.

Android is based on Linux (the desktop operating system), it's just a small version but it's Linux and Linux is from the Unix family - so it's root.

In this discussion, read my words twice if you want and where I say root, go ahead and say to yourself - admin.

Right now, Samsung and/or your carrier has root access to your phone.

And they use it with every OTA update.

There's a hidden piece of software under the hood that doesn't run so you can see it called recovery.

An OTA update is just a zip file containing some system stuff and a hands free installer - just like a pc, it needs an installer to install things.

Some stuff on your pc you install as admin by right clicking the install file. Etc etc etc.

On your phone, after the update downloads, it does its thing, often with a reboot and recovery runs - it recovers the update zip file and runs the installer. The password is encoded as a security signature in the zip file that no one has ever cracked.

So.

The first thing you do is use some tool - often just the one directly from Samsung and replace the built-in recovery with a "custom recovery."

It has either a simple or fancy interface just for you - you can see it and you can install zip files from the development community, no secure encrypted signature required.

At this point, you can just add the piece you're missing onto your current TouchWiz (rom) by installing a package called SuperSU.

It contains a binary library (under the hood stuff) and an app. That's it. Install that and boom, you're rooted. Everything stays the same.

Except - you can run apps requiring root access or get to hidden areas of your phone (only after you're an expert and not a second before).

When you run any root related app or operation, the SuperSU app blocks it and pops up a dialog for you - root access for XYZ: disallow, allow, or allow once. In the vernacular, root access is superuser access, superuser is the descriptive class for any operating system administrator or root or purple ponies account. Hence the name SuperSU. (Improved superuser from the old Android days - it's super superuser lol.)

You are now running a stock rooted rom.

Alternatively, you can install an entire rom with superuser already included.

Those will be TouchWiz based or other, as funky said.

TouchWiz based is what the name implies - not a perfect copy because you can do that yourself without a full rom installation.

Developers are users too, so they might start with TouchWiz and improve it as they see fit.

If it's a good developer, a lot of people agree and the rom becomes popular.

Ditto on the non-TouchWiz roms.

What if a rom is screwed up or screws up your phone?

You don't care.

Because you have read, read, read and read some more, despite what anyone says, you're first act after installing custom recovery is to use a root feature that your stock recovery does not have - you make a nandroid backup of your phone.

It backs up your entire working phone - TouchWiz, your apps, data, settings, the whole enchilada.

You restore a nandroid backup and it's like stepping through a time machine to the place you were before you messed around - only the custom recovery stays in place (along with other goodies down at its level like your radio firmware and so forth).

That's the big picture, there are a lot of details to it but that's generally it.

Rooting is not a cure all - it's just a gateway to performing admin level changes - that you have to pick out to suit your needs.

Thank you for all the information! :)

Yeah I used towel root before I installed it the second time :P

I also managed to get rid of my custom status by factory resetting it (not before making a backup, of course) so now it can find OTA updates again since it's not rooted anymore.

Basically, my phone is like it was when I first got it now.

One question though... how do people make their own roms? It sounds really interesting and I am wondering if it's something that anyone can do or does it require things like hacking into your phone or something?

Also, if rooting basically means you have full control out of your phone now, or admin premissions, then what does jail breaking do on iOS? And why is it called that?

Also, I discovered today that the "S" in Samsung galaxy S stands for Supersmart, just thought I'd share that :)
 
I could have sworn that the 'S' stood for 'sluggish' as in all the Samsung apps that most people don't even use but bog down our phones performance. (... also a good reason to root your phone so you can disable or remove things you don't want or need.)
 
It's called Jailbreaking on an iPhone because when you do it, you leave the ecosystem.

No more Apple store. No more DRM protection (or shackles) for your media access - no lawful access.

With Android, you remain part of the ecosystem. Netflix knows I'm rooted (I've spoken to them) and just doesn't care. I can't bypass legal DRM with root. (Other services are clueless but very few.)

My ecosystem is the same as stock, just expanded.

I'm not Jailbreaking because I was never in jail.

To perform the mechanics of building your own rom, visit xda and look into rom kitchen.

To accomplish anything worthwhile, you need to understand, at minimum, Linux bash scripting and Linux system operations.

Understanding Java and C (along with its follow ons), as well as Android system operations, are necessary to fully elaborate your own rom.
 
I could have sworn that the 'S' stood for 'sluggish' as in all the Samsung apps that most people don't even use but bog down our phones performance. (... also a good reason to root your phone so you can disable or remove things you don't want or need.)

I just disable all the useless ones like the samsung store and S-voice which no one uses and creates that stupid home button delay that Samsung will never learn to fix...

And ikr??!?! I never have more than 3 or so apps opened because I know of how memory heavy Touchwiz is, I hate all the random lag and stutters it has...

But I still love it because of the way samsung does things, their drop down notification, their gallery app (though it's super slow to open from the camera app...) And it's colorful which I like, and multi window is a feature that I hope one day gets adopted into Stock android, it's basically like snapping two windows next to each other in Windows, super useful for those multitaskers :P

Though, one thing I absolutely CANNOT stand is their vagueness for software updates and how long it takes for your device to recieve them... and the slow downs are even worse, even the Galaxy S5 with all it's fancy specs can't beat the iPhone 6 with it's one gb of ram in terms of speed, I bet all those people out there who flashed a stock rom on their S5's and note 4's probably have the fastest devices out there right now XD lol.

It's called Jailbreaking on an iPhone because when you do it, you leave the ecosystem.

No more Apple store. No more DRM protection (or shackles) for your media access - no lawful access.

With Android, you remain part of the ecosystem. Netflix knows I'm rooted (I've spoken to them) and just doesn't care. I can't bypass legal DRM with root. (Other services are clueless but very few.)

My ecosystem is the same as stock, just expanded.

I'm not Jailbreaking because I was never in jail.

To perform the mechanics of building your own rom, visit xda and look into rom kitchen.

To accomplish anything worthwhile, you need to understand, at minimum, Linux bash scripting and Linux system operations.

Understanding Java and C (along with its follow ons), as well as Android system operations, are necessary to fully elaborate your own rom.

So it involves coding and things like that I assume?

If Netflix doesn't care, then how come rooting voids your warranty? It seems silly and it's the reason why I would probably not do it ever again not unless I knew that it's a phone I would keep for a while or something, I dunno when I first rooted my S3 I didn't even know I did it :P

Luckily everything still works and doesn't need to be sent in for repair or anything, lol.

So what do you do when you jail break it? Find a new Operating System?...
 
You can jump straight into a new OS (custom rom) or you can just use root privileges to run root apps, uninstall bloatware, get into the guts of the phone ect
 
I just disable all the useless ones like the samsung store and S-voice which no one uses and creates that stupid home button delay that Samsung will never learn to fix...

And ikr??!?! I never have more than 3 or so apps opened because I know of how memory heavy Touchwiz is, I hate all the random lag and stutters it has...

But I still love it because of the way samsung does things, their drop down notification, their gallery app (though it's super slow to open from the camera app...) And it's colorful which I like, and multi window is a feature that I hope one day gets adopted into Stock android, it's basically like snapping two windows next to each other in Windows, super useful for those multitaskers :P

Though, one thing I absolutely CANNOT stand is their vagueness for software updates and how long it takes for your device to recieve them... and the slow downs are even worse, even the Galaxy S5 with all it's fancy specs can't beat the iPhone 6 with it's one gb of ram in terms of speed, I bet all those people out there who flashed a stock rom on their S5's and note 4's probably have the fastest devices out there right now XD lol.
Don't look at me - I'd tell you to get an HTC and laugh over your shoulder at the very notion that an iPhone is in any way fast lmao!



So it involves coding and things like that I assume?

If Netflix doesn't care, then how come rooting voids your warranty?
Did you not read my post here?


http://androidforums.com/index.php?posts/6875223

People who know enough to stay the hell out of C:\Windows\system32 think nothing of obliterating essential Android files because the Internet convinced them that they were instant system programmers.

I don't blame them one bit for the lock down and warranty terms.

Do you think that bozos that do that to their phones take responsibility?

They do not. They turn them over for warranty service with tall tales that would embarrass Paul Bunyan.

So what do you do when you jail break it? Find a new Operating System?...

I run Android and don't Jailbreak - I root.

I therefore have no answer to the question, nor honestly, do I understand it.
 
Don't look at me - I'd tell you to get an HTC and laugh over your shoulder at the very notion that an iPhone is in any way fast lmao!




Did you not read my post here?


http://androidforums.com/index.php?posts/6875223

People who know enough to stay the hell out of C:\Windows\system32 think nothing of obliterating essential Android files because the Internet convinced them that they were instant system programmers.

I don't blame them one bit for the lock down and warranty terms.

Do you think that bozos that do that to their phones take responsibility?

They do not. They turn them over for warranty service with tall tales that would embarrass Paul Bunyan.



I run Android and don't Jailbreak - I root.

I therefore have no answer to the question, nor honestly, do I understand it.

I didn't know what jail breaking meant so I was confused about that and thought it was an iOS only thing.

I do actually plan on getting an hTC one (m8) once my contract is up.

Yeah probably not, but what if they accidently crack the phone screen or something? HTC offers a free screen replacement for the first two years of owning your device, good considering how hard it is to take them apart without breaking it....

But yeah, people should first consider the consequences before they modify their devices in any way
 
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