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S4 better than note 2?

Hadron said:
Point is, I don't believe that the gpu is the issue, unless Sammy have spectacularly messed up the coding.

As for the stutter, not all Snapdragon 600 based reviews mention it (including the one I trust most). I remember one saying that turning off some sensors helped. If that is true rather than anecdote it would mean it's not gpu.

My advice is to see what real users say in the S4 forum, and see whether there is really an issue here.
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See: Samsung Galaxy S 4 with Exynos Octa-core: what's different?

"If you recall, we noted in our GS4 review that the T-Mobile unit we used suffered from some visible lagging and stuttering when Samsung's smart features and motion gestures were activated, although it was smooth sailing as soon as we turned them off. Fortunately, we couldn't replicate the same problems on the I9500, as it appeared to do a better job handling the processor-heavy load."
 
The note 2 is the first phone that I've been completely happy with since I started using a smartphone. I have an upgrade on one of my lines in July, and this will probably be the first time I don't jump on something else (I usually change phones every 6 to 8 months.) The note 3 is the only phone I'm really keeping an eye on for the rest of this year.
 
tigmd99 said:
See: Samsung Galaxy S 4 with Exynos Octa-core: what's different?

"If you recall, we noted in our GS4 review that the T-Mobile unit we used suffered from some visible lagging and stuttering when Samsung's smart features and motion gestures were activated, although it was smooth sailing as soon as we turned them off. Fortunately, we couldn't replicate the same problems on the I9500, as it appeared to do a better job handling the processor-heavy load."
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Thing is, is that due to the hardware differences, or that the software was better optimised for the Exynos model? Given that the mixed bag of benchmark results didn't show much/consistent performance advantage I'd say either is possible - of course the end user only cares about the result. Hopefully it's something Sammy will fix with a firmware update for the I9505.

Interesting thing about that comparison was that there wasn't really a very clear cut performance difference, and the Snap version did better in their battery tests, where you'd have expected the A9s to give the Exynos an edge. Of course battery testing is very tricky, with usage scenarios varying, so real world results might differ.
 
Hadron said:
Thing is, is that due to the hardware differences, or that the software was better optimised for the Exynos model? Given that the mixed bag of benchmark results didn't show much/consistent performance advantage I'd say either is possible - of course the end user only cares about the result. Hopefully it's something Sammy will fix with a firmware update for the I9505.

Interesting thing about that comparison was that there wasn't really a very clear cut performance difference, and the Snap version did better in their battery tests, where you'd have expected the A9s to give the Exynos an edge. Of course battery testing is very tricky, with usage scenarios varying, so real world results might differ.
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The article was trying its best to be "fair"...but, to me, the Exynos Octa won MOST of the tests, especially the important ones. For me, browser tests and graphics are most important because that is what I do the most with the phone. Octa won. You can see that in the conclusion where the editor finally admitted that Octa won in performance...yeah, it did lose a FEW benchmarks, but clearly won overall.

As for battery, that is a minor issue for me. I am around computers and outlets all day. In addition, if Note 3 has removable battery, then this is a moot point. Battery has never been a big issue for me. Other folks may feel differently.

Does it matter whether it was hardware differences or whether TW was optimized for Exynos? For me, as an end user, I don't care. Yeah, I guess that the latter may be fixed by future updates, BUT it is clear that Exynos Octa can handle the extra load while Snapdragon 600 has hiccups. I want a chip that can handle the load...not one that has to wait for future updates. Because if it has to wait for updates to fix the hiccups, then that means that you're already at the limit of S600's performance envelope. I like for my chip to have headroom.

Do you think that Samsung will reverse course and trim TouchWiz in the future (aka delete features)? Or do you think that Samsung will just pile on with more and more features? I bet the latter. And if so, then I surely want Exynos Octa.
 
Actually it didn't win all of the graphics benchmarks. That's part of what I meant by mixed.

I guess it's just that I don't believe that handling the various sensors while swiping desktops is something that's beyond the Snapdragon and only the Exynos can keep up with. Both have a lot of power available, and the performance differences of the two aren't large. If routine stuff like that is pushing the system to the limit they've made a huge design error.

I'd also note that instead of turning sensors off, small animation settings changes, as some used on the S3, are also reported to fix this where it occurs (not everyone sees it - I've not surveyed the reports to see whether some network variants are more susceptible).

I'll be interested to see whether custom kernels and a choice of cpu schedulers make a difference.

You are right though, that if I were a betting man I'd bet on Samsung carrying on adding more stuff! ;)
 
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