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Samsung.. maybe they have gotten too big and cocky
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bjacks12
Android Expert
Loving my Nexus 4 way more than I ever loved my Galaxy.
While I enjoy my Samsung TV and blu-ray player, I don't think I'll ever buy a phone from them again. My next phone may be a Nexus 5 this year so that I can take advantage of the LTE available in Vegas as I move there for a new job.
While I enjoy my Samsung TV and blu-ray player, I don't think I'll ever buy a phone from them again. My next phone may be a Nexus 5 this year so that I can take advantage of the LTE available in Vegas as I move there for a new job.
jhawkkw
Chinchillin'
Congrats on the job. Nexus 5 is a pretty sweet phone.
I'll try to locate that blacklist of countries for our discussion.
This is what I found: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=45978782
Gmash
Extreme Android User
When some other company decides to offer SD card support and removable battery, I'll consider them. I don't believe in being loyal or a fanboy for any company, it's always about the next thing. It's not like a company is going to be loyal to me. If Samsung ditches the SD card, they will lose a lot of business. I hope they even realize that. I don't get the fetish about metal phones when 90% of people will put a plastic case over the metal anyway.
sfbloodbrother
Extreme Android User
I completely agree. Motorola now google is doing very well by getting into the less expensive global market.
LG has been gaining a lot of popularity because of Nexus. That was Googles mission tho.
Stuntman
Android Expert
I've been very happy with my Galaxy S3 for the past year and a half. I'm not sure exactly what my next phone would be. I'm leaning towards the Nexus phones and was tempted to get the N5. Since my SGS3 is still really good, I saw no reason to get a new phone right now. I'll have to see what comes out in a year or so before deciding on what phone to get. A lot can change in the mobile world in that time.
Petrah
Psychotic Female
I've loved every Samsung device I've owned, and not had a single problem with any of them. I generally do not purchase devices as soon as they come out, so if it cannot be rooted I won't purchase it. The exception being the new Note 10.1 2014 we just bought for nothing more than sitting on the coffee table when/if we need it for something. No intention of rooting it since it works outstandingly well.
We returned the Nexus 7. I've never had any luck with a single Asus product. Ever. Frankly I'm surprised Google did any business with them at all.
Love my Samsung and LG devices/appliances!
We returned the Nexus 7. I've never had any luck with a single Asus product. Ever. Frankly I'm surprised Google did any business with them at all.
Love my Samsung and LG devices/appliances!
zipred
Android Expert
I find Samsung an excellent company.
It's just business and very competitive at that. They have grown substantially in all their various divisions and industries, which is to be admired. The core goal of any company is to grow and prosper, that cannot be done and still please everyone. Far less proprietary than Apple, I think Samsung's much more well balanced.
Of the five widescreen smart Samsung TV's, Refrigerator, Washer & Dryer, plus countless Android phones and other products I have, my experience has simply been stellar.
Stepping back, looking at the big picture, Samsung has brought Android to the forefront. An impressive show of commitment and engineering expertise.
It's just business and very competitive at that. They have grown substantially in all their various divisions and industries, which is to be admired. The core goal of any company is to grow and prosper, that cannot be done and still please everyone. Far less proprietary than Apple, I think Samsung's much more well balanced.
Of the five widescreen smart Samsung TV's, Refrigerator, Washer & Dryer, plus countless Android phones and other products I have, my experience has simply been stellar.
Stepping back, looking at the big picture, Samsung has brought Android to the forefront. An impressive show of commitment and engineering expertise.
I beg to disagree; Samsung has brought Samsung to the forefront by leveraging the flexibility/popularity of Android. The net effect is actually detrimental to Android as a whole, due to the number of users persuaded that "Galaxy" = a quality experience. An out-dated Galaxy running Android 2.3.x is still a POS in today's terms, but the punters still lap them up because of the branding. Then three months later they're back complaining about lack of internal storage and compatibility problems.... "but it's a Galaxy... it should be great!"
jhawkkw
Chinchillin'
I beg to disagree; Samsung has brought Samsung to the forefront by leveraging the flexibility/popularity of Android. The net effect is actually detrimental to Android as a whole, due to the number of users persuaded that "Galaxy" = a quality experience. An out-dated Galaxy running Android 2.3.x is still a POS in today's terms, but the punters still lap them up because of the branding. Then three months later they're back complaining about lack of internal storage and compatibility problems.... "but it's a Galaxy... it should be great!"
I'll take it one step further and says that Samsung also benefited from Google making Android better. The first generation Galaxy S phone was a POS, the Galaxy S2 was a step in the right direction and a good improvement on it's predecessor. Once Google launched ICS, Android begun the transformation into a much better experience for the average user. The Galaxy S3 then followed which is still quite popular to this day. Along with it came an enormous increase in their advertising budget. People use to call most Android's DROIDs, now they're Galaxy's.
Orion
Android Expert
I tried to get into the Galaxy phones but just can't do it. Touchwiz still looks like its on Gingerbread. I just don't like their UI at all. Too much bloat. Add to the fact that everyone and their mothers have a Galaxy phone. I'm stock Android all the way. I love the direction that Motorola is going. Looking forward to what they're doing for 2014. For me its moto or Nexus.
zipred
Android Expert
I beg to disagree; Samsung has brought Samsung to the forefront by leveraging the flexibility/popularity of Android. The net effect is actually detrimental to Android as a whole, due to the number of users persuaded that "Galaxy" = a quality experience. An out-dated Galaxy running Android 2.3.x is still a POS in today's terms, but the punters still lap them up because of the branding. Then three months later they're back complaining about lack of internal storage and compatibility problems.... "but it's a Galaxy... it should be great!"
Let me clarify.
First, I do not disagree with you, nor am I advocating for Samsung.
My point is simply that Samsung being the giant it is, offering phones at all price points and sizes, has helped bring a lot of attention to Android. That's why I qualified my earlier post by saying "looking at the big picture".
No matter what we as enthusiasts think of the brand, it's been good for _Android_ and that's what I care deeply about.
yes.. Samsung has been good for android...
and android was good for Samsung..
the android users have been great fro Samsung!
but my point is..
I think
Samsung has android and android users by the balls..
and can make us accept any thing they do!
they think they are apple.. and we are sheep!
they forget.. apple has a monopoly.
we android users have choices!! thank you very much.
and android was good for Samsung..
the android users have been great fro Samsung!
but my point is..
I think
Samsung has android and android users by the balls..
and can make us accept any thing they do!
they think they are apple.. and we are sheep!
they forget.. apple has a monopoly.
we android users have choices!! thank you very much.
What's this "us"? How does what Samsung chooses to do affect anyone who doesn't buy a Samsung device?
Samsung are but one OEM out of many with a finger in the Android pie; check out the names affiliated to the OHA. Samsung can do what they want (up to a point) with Android, but they can't control it completely. I also don't see their competitors exactly rushing to follow them.
don't take me literally. I know that not everyone is using Samsung.
I am pointing out.. how Samsung is trying to do things... that are not customer/user positives.
more bloatware
more locked down
making 3rd party accessories not work.
and lowering Quality..(GPS issues like they had in the past)
they are arguably the biggest android smartphone maker.. today.
and their heads/ego might be getting to big.
forgetting what got them to the top.
and getting greedy.
and then I also pointed out.. at the end of my post #39... which agrees with your post #40. there are other OEMs that are hungry and willing to do the right thing for customers.. and gain our business.
I am pointing out.. how Samsung is trying to do things... that are not customer/user positives.
more bloatware
more locked down
making 3rd party accessories not work.
and lowering Quality..(GPS issues like they had in the past)
they are arguably the biggest android smartphone maker.. today.
and their heads/ego might be getting to big.
forgetting what got them to the top.
and getting greedy.
and then I also pointed out.. at the end of my post #39... which agrees with your post #40. there are other OEMs that are hungry and willing to do the right thing for customers.. and gain our business.
That's the key. As long as the competition don't give up in the face of Samsung's dominance the future is still bright.
Btw, just spotted this elsewhere:
A real life Romulan-Klingon alliance: Google, Samsung sign global patent pact (The Register)
What immediately caught my eye was "The Android buddies have agreed to license any and all current IP as well as any patents filed in the next 10 years with each other for undisclosed financial terms."
I wonder if this means we'll see S-features in non-Samsung devices in the future?
yeah.. I saw that.. google and Sammy. and 10 yrs of full IP sharing ..
don't know how that would affect other OEMs. IPs would not transfer to them.
or how much they would be able to parley off this agreement.
but MOTO.. would be a huge winner in this.
what I want.. MOTO version of the NOTE series. with sPen and all.
don't know how that would affect other OEMs. IPs would not transfer to them.
or how much they would be able to parley off this agreement.
but MOTO.. would be a huge winner in this.
what I want.. MOTO version of the NOTE series. with sPen and all.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/0...-accessories-will-deliver-ota-to-fix-the-bug/
Looks like it was a "bug" that will be fixed in a future OTA.
interesting..
they tried.. they got called on it...
now.. it was a bug.. a mistake.. let me turn that back on.
test run.. see how much they can push...
maybe it was just to scare the makers of accessories.
better pay license agreements .. see what we can do?
for future phones.
zipred
Android Expert
If there's one thing I've learned over the years, is there's no perfect smartphone, tablet, laptop, etc.
What I _do_ like about the Samsung S4 & Note 3 is the size and form factors. Build quality of mine has been excellent and hardware failures zero. In fact I've purchased several of each for family members and being the one who maintains them, I've enjoyed every minute. Perfect...no, Excellent...Yes.
Early on, I had a few Droids, EVO's and even a G1, so I can most certainly appreciate the advancements in Android 4.4. Thus my point is simply that I like variety and most of the various brands, just some more than others.
Most of all I like the freedom and flexibility Android offers.
All too often the negative thinkers focus on problems, not resolutions and being the internet it seems fashionable to whine and complain. But I'm too busy enjoying all that can be done to resolve the challenges and enjoy the sense of accomplishment.
At the end of the day an Android Smartphone suits my preferences and workflow perfectly
What I _do_ like about the Samsung S4 & Note 3 is the size and form factors. Build quality of mine has been excellent and hardware failures zero. In fact I've purchased several of each for family members and being the one who maintains them, I've enjoyed every minute. Perfect...no, Excellent...Yes.
Early on, I had a few Droids, EVO's and even a G1, so I can most certainly appreciate the advancements in Android 4.4. Thus my point is simply that I like variety and most of the various brands, just some more than others.
Most of all I like the freedom and flexibility Android offers.
All too often the negative thinkers focus on problems, not resolutions and being the internet it seems fashionable to whine and complain. But I'm too busy enjoying all that can be done to resolve the challenges and enjoy the sense of accomplishment.
At the end of the day an Android Smartphone suits my preferences and workflow perfectly
test run.. see how much they can push...
Or just perhaps it was an honest oversight in some obscure line of code that interfered with API calls? As the above article sensibly points out,
Doing it after the event makes no sense either from a business or a customer relations perspective.
I bought a $500 Samsung BluRay/Home theater system. Within the first month the center (vioce) channel would drop out. tech support of course had me reboot, factory, reset, try this and that. Finally got them to accept it for repair a month or so later. it came back no problem found. repeated the process three more times over the next few month to where it was almost out of warranty so I paid $39 more for their extended warranty and they turned it over to them who replaced it with a different model which sold for about $350 and locks up constantly. Fought tech support for another year until the warranty ran out again and gave up. kids know how to reboot the blueray themselves so we are forced to live with it and having random intermissions in any movies/shows we watch.
Rapidly rising to the top of an industry and being the market leader has its unique set of marketing relations problems.
First, you immediately become perceived as the 800 pound gorilla, trying to muscle out the competition. MS, Apple, GM, Sony, Walmart, etc. have all been there. Just because a business is big doesn't mean it's engaged in unfair or bullying tactics to get there.
Mistakes or poor decisions get magnified across a larger user base. And the larger the user base, the more likely you are to have a visible group of highly vocal detractors. Plus, the larger the company, the less tolerance there is for understanding. How often do you hear excuses for small company mistakes like "They're not Samsung, cut them some slack." But in the next breath you hear "That's inexcusable, Samsung, you should know better!"?
The broader the market, the less you can cater to special interests, especially when they are not profitable. Try and explain to the stockholders why they should allow a small group of developers to modify their firmware, increasing support costs while seeing no revenue generated.
Don't get me wrong. I am not a Samsung apologist. I've had a few Galaxy phones and while they were okay, TouchWiz to me is the Windows XP of Android interfaces. My wife (S3) and my son (S4) love their phones and have no intention of letting me anywhere near them to even root, let alone flash a different rom. They are much more typical of your general consumer and I hold no ill will against Samsung for catering to them rather than me.
First, you immediately become perceived as the 800 pound gorilla, trying to muscle out the competition. MS, Apple, GM, Sony, Walmart, etc. have all been there. Just because a business is big doesn't mean it's engaged in unfair or bullying tactics to get there.
Mistakes or poor decisions get magnified across a larger user base. And the larger the user base, the more likely you are to have a visible group of highly vocal detractors. Plus, the larger the company, the less tolerance there is for understanding. How often do you hear excuses for small company mistakes like "They're not Samsung, cut them some slack." But in the next breath you hear "That's inexcusable, Samsung, you should know better!"?
The broader the market, the less you can cater to special interests, especially when they are not profitable. Try and explain to the stockholders why they should allow a small group of developers to modify their firmware, increasing support costs while seeing no revenue generated.
Don't get me wrong. I am not a Samsung apologist. I've had a few Galaxy phones and while they were okay, TouchWiz to me is the Windows XP of Android interfaces. My wife (S3) and my son (S4) love their phones and have no intention of letting me anywhere near them to even root, let alone flash a different rom. They are much more typical of your general consumer and I hold no ill will against Samsung for catering to them rather than me.
mrex
Android Enthusiast
That they found so quick and easily and offering ota. I wonder if they were testing and already having "a fix in a pocket" to be released if people get angry =) Have you noticed before that Samsung has ever located the problem so easily and offering fix asap - even if national security is threatened you will still waiting to get an update... lol
But seriously, it would be the same as hanging yourself if they ever tried that. Getting 3rd party manufacturers to make accessories for a product is a big plus and enchance selling. Lack of accessories is the problem and people tends nowadays look more possible accessories than only the product itself.