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Scotland independance

funkylogik said:
Tiocfaidh ar la lol no offence taken or intended and my ancestry is mostly irish and ill be voting for Scotlands independance from the emperialists :)
Yeah u can do dual boot with Siyah. I keep meaning to try a more "adventurous" rom as a secondary one but im a very very lazy man lol. Let me know how it goes.
And yeah its nice to see an old face (no offence haha) :)
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Chuckie....it's already chuckied here...when you get that independence, for God's sake stay away from the Euro.

I see yer a Rangers fan!!!! haha haha!! [Joke....and no offence to anyone]

Really need to get into this device...I think that Foxhound looks good....but this thing eats battery...

so I need to get BBS and check wake locks, etc.

Talk to you again in other threads...sorry OP for off topic....

it's just a bit if craic :-)
 
Yep definitely should give scotland independence. Will be less of a burden on my tax pounds. Only problem for scotland is they wouldn't be able to afford to buy back in to Europe. They will be a new country so they will have to re apply but since everyone wants in now (unlike when the uk joined) the terms will be nowhere near as generous.

Unfortunately Scotland's best chance is to remain part of the UK. What annoys me about the UK is Scotland and Wales have their own Parliament or assembly but England has nothing. As a result they get better NHS amongst other things. Cheaper prescriptions etc. Scotland and Wales do much better out of the UK than England do, so I'm all for getting rid of em... but I can't vote an entire nation into misfortune and further misery. My conscience wouldn't allow it ;)


...and as a half Portuguese, quater Scottish, Quater English with far back ties to some Irish princess from the 13th century, I'm pretty unbiased nationally :)
 
Sheesh....SU!!

For a minute there I thought you were an English Nationalist... ;-)

The biggest problem we have had in Europe, and maybe the world, was/is Nationalism, particularly in the last century.

Internationalism us so much better for all of us...don't you agree??

I mean, you can't really out a price tag on peace and tolerance, can you??
 
SUroot said:
Yep definitely should give scotland independence. Will be less of a burden on my tax pounds. Only problem for scotland is they wouldn't be able to afford to buy back in to Europe. They will be a new country so they will have to re apply but since everyone wants in now (unlike when the uk joined) the terms will be nowhere near as generous.

Unfortunately Scotland's best chance is to remain part of the UK. What annoys me about the UK is Scotland and Wales have their own Parliament or assembly but England has nothing. As a result they get better NHS amongst other things. Cheaper prescriptions etc. Scotland and Wales do much better out of the UK than England do, so I'm all for getting rid of em... but I can't vote an entire nation into misfortune and further misery. My conscience wouldn't allow it ;)


...and as a half Portuguese, quater Scottish, Quater English with far back ties to some Irish princess from the 13th century, I'm pretty unbiased nationally :)
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Our parliaments are pretty limp though. We're having to put up with a tory regieme even tho they have like one seat in scotland i think lol.
If scotland are such a burdon then why is england so keen to keep us?
Lol sorry. Waaaay off topic :)
P.s, our prescriptions are FREEE :P

P.p.s, im not nationalist in the anti-immigration sense. far from it. SNP and BNP are very different things. I dont even like the SNP, theyre just a means to an end imo :thumbup:
 
funkylogik said:
If scotland are such a burdon then why is england so keen to keep us?
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If they give Scotland away, there will be expectations all over the world. Almost all of South America for example are backing Argentina for the "return" (it was never theirs) of the Falklands. But closer to home, Northern Ireland. Why give Scotland independence but not NI back to Ireland? But they can't give NI back because many people (including innocents) have died for the stance that it won't be given back on both sides of the disagreement.

Perhaps in the more distant future when none of this is recent.


funkylogik said:
P.s, our prescriptions are FREEE :P
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Yes I know. Free to those in Scotland but it isn't paid for solely by Scottish tax income.
 
SUroot said:
If they give Scotland away, there will be expectations all over the world. Almost all of South America for example are backing Argentina for the "return" (it was never theirs) of the Falklands. But closer to home, Northern Ireland. Why give Scotland independence but not NI back to Ireland? But they can't give NI back because many people (including innocents) have died for the stance that it won't be given back on both sides of the disagreement.

Perhaps in the more distant future when none of this is recent.




Yes I know. Free to those in Scotland but it isn't paid for solely by Scottish tax income.
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Jasaz lads...

I didn't expect to be in the middle of a political discussion, particularly one involving Scottish Independence.

But as Ireland has been mentioned, perhaps I can say one or two things.

Why give Scotland independence but not NI back to Ireland? But they can't give NI back because many people (including innocents) have died for the stance that it won't be given back on both sides of the disagreement.
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With all due respect SU, we in Ireland have just come out of a period when we had a real shooting war over here......

one which saw such bitterness and hatred released that one would hope never to see it in any other society, and which was ended when those involved in that war decided to come to an arrangement to halt the hostilities, and negotiate a political settlement.

It is not a question of "giving back" NI to "Ireland".

It really is more to do with what the people in NI decide, as to their own future.

But our Agreement here, Good Friday/Belfast, depending on your preference, made it quite clear that there would be no solution which did not have the support of the people in NI and RoI, as the Agreement states:

Good Friday Agreement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Status of Northern Ireland

The Agreement acknowledged:

that the majority of the people of Northern Ireland wished to remain a part of the United Kingdom;

that a "substantial section" of the people of Northern Ireland, and the majority of the people of the island of Ireland, wished to bring about a United Ireland.

Both of these views were acknowledged as being legitimate.

The agreement reached was that Northern Ireland would remain part of the United Kingdom until a majority of the people of Northern Ireland and of the Republic of Ireland wished otherwise.

Should that happen, then the British and Irish governments are under "a binding obligation" to implement that choice.
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So, I would not see a direct comparison with the situation in Ireland and that which obtains in Scotland, vis a vis it's Constitutional arrangement with the UK.

There are always such disputes when Colonialism ends, think of your own Portugal and it's African colonies, or the USSR.

The same probably applies to the UK as presently constituted, arrangements will be entered into, with the democratic consent of the peoples in each constituent part of the UK, and life will hopefully go on......

I certainly would not wish the Irish situation on any other society.
 
Hey Scottish folk, I have an off topic question:

I’m half or quarter Scottish, from the Gunn clan. What can you tell me about that name?
 
While independence is an issue for the Scots - the majority of whom loathe the English whether they're pro-indepence or not - the English tend not to care one way or the other. Ironically, the few English people who do care are almost invariably conservatives who would actually become almost unbeatable electorally if Scotland left the union.

Even more ironically, support for Independence in Scotland has been falling over the last couple of years. That means that approval for the union has increased in Scotland since the government went from being almost entirely Scottish - from the Blair and Brown down - to almost entirely English (actually, almost entirely from one English school: Eton). The Scots would appear to prefer to be governed by Engishmen than Scotsmen?! :)

There's also that famous research that suggests it's all over
 
dannymur said:
I would not see a direct comparison with the situation in Ireland and that which obtains in Scotland, vis a vis it's Constitutional arrangement with the UK.
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I didn't make a direct comparison. I didn't say "Scotland's relationship to the UK is exactly the same as Northern Ireland's"

In fact I didn't make a comparison at all.
 
The Irish and Scottish situations are rather different. Not least, there's the historical difference that the English (later with the Dutch) invaded Ireland while England and Scotland were first united when a Scots king took the English crown.

Arguably, it's the English should be voting for independance from Scotland :)
 
SUroot said:
I didn't make a direct comparison. I didn't say "Scotland's relationship to the UK is exactly the same as Northern Ireland's"

In fact I didn't make a comparison at all.
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Sure SU, where did I say you made a direct comparison?

I know you didn't say "Scotland's relationship to the UK is exactly the same as Northern Ireland's", just as you say above.

Do you think I said that, or something akin to that, in relation to any of your posts?

You have zoned in on something I said, in the course of a quite a long post, where I said quite a lot more than what you are concentrating on.

You may be missing the point, in that what I said, and you quoted, was my opinion, in the context of the debate, which is there for all to see.

There is always a narrative in any discussion, and taking a line or two out of context can give a skewed impression of the actuality of the points being made.

We are having a discussion, are we not?

What did you think of my point in relation to the end of Colonialism, and the new arrangements which the UK will probably have to put into place to cater for that eventuality?

Thanks for the discussion, by the way, it is refreshing, and I hope, civilised.
 
Sorry, yes I did think you were saying I was making a direct comparison. I didn't think i was being uncivilised though.
 
SUroot said:
Sorry, yes I did think you were saying I was making a direct comparison. I didn't think i was being uncivilised though.
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Sure I never said that either.....:confused:

Thanks for the discussion, by the way, it is refreshing, and I hope, civilised.
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I don't think you were being uncivilised at all a chara [Irish for my friend]....

there must be a comms problem here ;) are we using the same protocol??

just making a complementary statement about the general level of discussion, and hoping my contributions would be considered civilised????
 
SUroot said:
Ha ok...

Which point should we debate now cause I'm kind of lost now?
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Haven't a clue mate.....I am like yourself, lost!!!

Maybe some Scottish guys will take up the debate based on the thread heading ;)

Anyway, just hope my Celtic brothers and sisters get it right, it's not all it's cracked up to be......Independence I mean.....

Like, we in Ireland are supposed to be an Independent State, but we have no Economic Independence within the Euro Area, or indeed the EU, due to the catastrophic Banking Collapses here, in 2008 and subsequently.

We the taxpayers are paying for the reckless and criminal actions of those Bankers, and those charged with supervising them.

We have been in a Bailout program from an outfit called The Troika since 2010, because we cannot raise money on the international Bond markets.

Our Troika are the same people who are overseeing the Bailouts in Greece, Portugal and Spain, soon to be Italy.

The EU Commission, the ECB and the IMF are providing the money to keep the country afloat, we taxpayers are picking up the tab for the failure of Private Banking Institutions, and those responsible for the debacle are walking around, free as birds.

Because, this is not Free Money....strict terms and conditions apply....:eek:

And this was to ensure that there was no collapse of the Euro Currency, no Bank was allowed to fail.

So, folks, be careful what you wish for!!!
 
jefboyardee said:
Hey Scottish folk, I have an off topic question:

I’m half or quarter Scottish, from the Gunn clan. What can you tell me about that name?
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Google is your chara......;)

[chara = friend in Gaelic!!!]

Clan Gunn Society | Home Page

About the Society

Clan Gunn is one of the oldest and most northerly clans in Scotland, claiming descent from the Norse "Jarls" of Orkney in the tenth century.

The name "Gunn" is believed to come from "Gunni", the grandson of Sweyn Asleifsson, the "Ultimate Viking" hero of the Orkneyinge Saga.
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jefboyardee said:
Thanks, but I already found that... I should have said so. Just wondering if there was some modern dirt on the name.
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I'm sorry I can't expand.

I am Irish...we have Clans too...

but some of them are political in nature.

e.g. MaFFia...well known political party called Fianna F
 
Well from a Scottish view point I naturally want what is best for us..... Id love to see us as an independent country, but I don't think I will live to see that, nor do I think it is what would be best for us at this current time!

I do believe that we should be given more powers to holyrood, be able to collect and make all our own taxes etc

I think that current work on renewable energy will see us prosper in the future as currently nuclear has to be out the question, until we can find a way to dispose of it safely. I'm not sure wether or not we can do it as an independent nation.

What I would say is more important is cutting out the current expenses regime and the need for any extra mps, msps, emps etc..... The English could do with their own parliament, and just cut the current westminster system down to once monthly with nominated/or elected members of each countries parliaments!
 
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