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Should I return my Droid???

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AVP said:
I like my DROID. Let me say that first off before anyone starts to get defensive. My previous phone was a used Blackberry 8700g off ebay that didn't even have a data plan. I've was reading about phones avidly the past few months just waiting for Nov 30 to arrive when my plan was up with Tmo. I had decided to get the BB Storm2 but then, the Moto Droid came out of no where and it had a lot of customization options, the reviews were good, and all the Verizon reps really loved the phone. I just decided to get thinking I would regret later if I didn't. After 2 weeks with the Droid it has a few shortfalls that have me concerned.

The application memory:(currently I have 189mb).This is ridiculously
low.
-The Storm2 even has 2gb and lets not get started with what the
iPhone has.
The alarm clock: My phone has to be on all night for the alarm clock to
go off????!!
- Are you kidding me?? Even my old plastic 8700 didn't have to be
on for the alarm clock to be initiated.
The frequent application errors: "Force close."
- I think we have all seen this many a times. It's starting to act like
Windows.

If I'm having these concerns 2 weeks into my new Droid purchase, I'm worried about what could happen in the next 2 years! What do you all think?

AVP
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Coming from the BB side of things, you are absolutely INCORRECT about the application memory. The BB Storm 2 (9550 and 9530) has 256MB of Flash Memory ... which is where you apps are stored and run from. This was a huge complaint over on the BB forums for all the phones, just like it is here. It includes a 2GB card in it, but the memory is no different than most other smartphones. **Check out the BB website for the phone if you don't believe me**

BlackBerry - Storm Specs for 9550 and 9530 - Discover Blackberry Storm Specifications

And as someone else mentioned, the iPhone doesn't have 16GB of RAM, thats storage, so you can't compare it. There is a HUGE difference between RAM and storage memory.

Also .... I think I have had maybe 4 force closes, and 3 of them are on an app that I am beta testing. So ......... either your phone is foo-barred or you are running some crazy apps.

I keep my phone on at night, so I can't say anything about this. :)

Use what phone is right for you .... but know what you are comparing. :D
 
The level of disrespect and ignorance here in this thread (and many others here) is astounding. Many of you need to take your "Droid is the greatest" blinders off occasionally, if you would actually like to be considered helpful.

I don't have enough info on the memory issue to comment but whether the OP is right or not, it seems just mentioning another phone puts him/her inthe wrong. As far as the alarm goes- like many have said, yes Blackberries do this. I have been awaken by a few BBs that I turned off, after having switched phones, only to be reminded of this feature on a Saturday morning at 6am. Many of you should apologize for your ridicule.
 
You know what Jschu22, you have enlightened me.

In all honesty i have no idea what this person lifestyle is, so i can't judge the importance of an alarm for him.
He might want to be able to wake up for work on time while lowering his carbon footprint.

I still think its stupid but i guess it doesn't necessarily make him stupid, just a troll (j/k).
 
Blackbrawler said:
You know what Jschu22, you have enlightened me.

In all honesty i have no idea what this person lifestyle is, so i can't judge the importance of an alarm for him.
He might want to be able to wake up for work on time while lowering his carbon footprint.

I still think its stupid but i guess it doesn't necessarily make him stupid, just a troll (j/k).
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man! you played rough!lol'
 
Blackbrawler said:
You just contradicted yourself, after you said you hate iphones you basically said it was the best phone. Also the RAM on the iphone isn't that much (not gonna bother to check) and it doesn't need it because it only opens one app at a time (iCant commertial ftw)
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No, I realize that there are more to phones than screen and storage space, hence the reason I bought a Droid. I can still give the iPhone props on certain characteristics without being a fan of the phone. Have you ever used an iPhone? Use it and get back to me on how you think it compares to the Droid's touch sensitivity. If you don't agree with me then you're wrong and completely blinded by bias. Remember, keep an open mind.

Blackbrawler said:
For you to come on to this forum and say that one of three things you don't like about Android is it's alarm clock makes you not only stupid but shallow. Why even comment on the alarm? Did you think the android community would respond understandably to something so ridiculous.Better yet why didn't you just ask for some solutions to you problems or looking at the app marker with over 10,000 apps instead of returning.
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Well, take a look at my post. You'll see I used the word "concerned." For an OS that boasts about doing many things at the same time I found it hard to believe that it couldn't perform a simple task like making a sound as efficiently as my six year old blackberry. I'm stupid and shallow?? I am definitely shallow I'll give you that, but stupid? Hell nah. Maybe arrogant though.

Blackbrawler said:
This is exactly what separates the android community and consumer's from others *cough*apple*cough* we don't fall for all the glamour and glossiness.
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LOL, this comment was just really lame, I'm sorry. Either you're naive or you're trying to win everyone over on this thread, which I could care less about. There are stupid people in every community using every type of phone out there. I do agree, stereotypically speaking, iPhone users are the worst.


Blackbrawler said:
Im not gonna sit here and tell you not to look up more info cause thats a good thing but i really want you to look back at your post and think if an alarm clock is really a credible reason (if a reason at all) to return one of the fastest and largest screen phones on the market.
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Once again, it raised "concern." I thought every phone out now was battery/alarm clock efficient like my six year old Blackberry but may I just got lucky. Bottom line is that in the two weeks I've had this phone I noticed some things I didn't like. If there are better options coming out in the near future, I would return this within the 30 days Verizon gives us and get that device. It looks like Google is being pretty tight lipped so I may wait another 10 days to see if anything new is reported on the HTC passion and Google Nexus One before making a decision. Take care.
 
I dont feel any of my posts were rude, but the alarm issue was ridiculous IMO, and if you post a thread on a forum you ask for people's opinion. Its not a bad thing to be corrected when you're obviously wrong on the memory issue. And the force closes is probably a bad app widget, or home replacement. Its not the norm. But that spinning hour glass and memory leak on every single Blackberry I've owned IS THE NORM! So no phone is perfect.
 
Unfortunately, if you have concerns about a device, the worse place to try to get info to find out whether your concerns are founded are not is a forum dealing with that device. I went through this on the Blackberry Storm 2 forum when I was trying to decide whether to keep it or not. I was basically acused of being a troglodyte because I did not like the touch screen on the Storm 2. And when I told the guys there that I had decided to switch to the Droid, you would have thought I had stolen their first born.

If something is an issue for you, then it's an issue. I'm so sorry that some of the posters here are being so juvenile in their responses to you.

P.S. I'm not sure I made the right decision in switching from the Storm 2 to the Droid. But don't tell anyone here or I'll be on the outs here too.
 
AVP said:
Once again, it raised "concern." I thought every phone out now was battery/alarm clock efficient like my six year old Blackberry but may I just got lucky. Bottom line is that in the two weeks I've had this phone I noticed some things I didn't like. If there are better options coming out in the near future, I would return this within the 30 days Verizon gives us and get that device. It looks like Google is being pretty tight lipped so I may wait another 10 days to see if anything new is reported on the HTC passion and Google Nexus One before making a decision. Take care.
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As I said in my post above ... just make sure you know what you are comparing. You have to be the one to learn about the phones, don't trust the reps or commercials to tell you. :D
 
*sigh* i hate quoted debates so I'll stop here.

Ok look the android community is MUCH MUCH better than the apple community and since those are the only two cell phone communities i know then to me android is the best. I also think the sound is amazing on the Droid and i dance and listen to music a lot so as much as i dont like the plain software the hardware is enough for me. Even if the sound quality does suck it still runs multiple apps an widgets. I dont even know why you brought up sound in the first place and I'll agree that your not stupid... just shallow. Also i have used an Iphone many many many many times (almost everyday) but honestly i dont see a difference in the touch at all (maybe I'm crazy) hell the touch on my DS is the same to me. What i care about is screen size Which Droid has a lot of.

Lastly if you were really concerned i really concerned you'd talk about other things like the ridiculously poor media player, or the slow camera but not an alarm. I really just can't see the big deal in a phone being on with an alarm. Just buy an alarm clock or keep it in charge.

If your not willing to sacrifice that little for a phone this good and you hate the iphone then I'll actually answer your question (which no one really answered), yes you should return your droid.
 
This is the second thread I've seen in the past week or so in which the OP has expressed some misgivings about the Droid and has then been subjected to several less than civil comments.

I realize this is a Droid forum, but it is disconcerting to see folks go after people who, should they be treated with a modicum of respect, might realize they actually have a darn good phone on their hands.
 
ItalianScallion said:
This is the second thread I've seen in the past week or so in which the OP has expressed some misgivings about the Droid and has then been subjected to several less than civil comments.

I realize this is a Droid forum, but it is disconcerting to see folks go after people who, should they be treated with a modicum of respect, might realize they actually have a darn good phone on their hands.
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I agree. So it stops here or the thread will be closed and infractions will be past out. Enough already people.
I will not allow flaming to go on when points can be made on either side in a courteous and respectful manner.

TS out
 
I like when people bring up the faults and downfalls of the phone. As long as it's done in the right vein, it can only make the phone better if those in a position to fix these things are made aware of the flaws. Some of the complaints don't impact me in the least but if the function is improved, it might help me in the future. I never thought I would need a phone that can double as a flashlight but, DANG!, it sure is nice! So keep those *suggestions* for improvement coming. Let's make this the best phone it can be! (Rah, Rah....time to put the pom pom's down.)
 
If you're unhappy, definitely return it! Don't let forum pressure affect you unless those ridiculing you are willing to Paypal you some money to keep it. I love my Droid (I came from a Treo 650), but I don't expect everyone to have the same conclusions.

One point of note however, I don't have the forced-closed app issue... Could it be one of your installed applications?
 
Blackbrawler said:
[spam]LOL spirits i really like your sig.[/spam]
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Thanks, too bad that some don't read the guidelines. And those that don't end up in Banlandia.


Aquineas said:
One point of note however, I don't have the forced-closed app issue... Could it be one of your installed applications?
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I had that same issue on my phone a while back. I had to uninstall each one to see what was the cause, it ended up being a task manager app. Go figure.

TS out
 
Ok the the banlandia shit is really funny.

Anyway now that this thread has cooled down a bit. If he was to return his droid what phone do you suggest him other than the iphone.
 
Personally I really do not like to recommend a phone to anyone, especially since everyone's need and uses in a phone are different. Myself, I am happy with the Hero and my carrier. I like the Droid for the little time I had it in my hands (my sister), but let me add that every phone that I have worked with, seen, or heard of has some sort of bug, issue or something that the owner may or may not like. What is top notch today could be crap by tomorrow with any new phone coming out.
As for the topic at hand, uses have every right to complain or point out their dislikes of a phone but it should be done in a nice manner. Both among ourselves but also to the company(s) that make the phone, software etc.

TS out
 
I had my boss show me his Storm today and your right, the alarm does sound even when the phone is powered down (with battery still in) so my bad on that one. The thing about BB's is that to FULLY power one down you have to pull the battery, so I think it stays on to some degree.

AVP said:
To say that the Droid is so high tech that it has to be on the whole night for the alarm to work is just stupid, come on.
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However that statement holds very little weight, in the same respect I can say how the BB's browser is so horrible that it can't be considered a smartphone. Or that the iPhone not having MMS for awhile makes it not a smartphone. Like TS said all phone have some bugs and are missing a feature we might be used to on another phone. This thread definitely got bad really fast, and most of *us* are to blame, so guys step back and ask yourself why are you getting so defensive and childish over a phone? If he doesn't like it then that's fine, I'm sure we don't like certain phones but does that mean we deserve to be talked to in that manner? Nah, not at all. If you don't like what the OP has to say, ignore it or report it, but don't add fuel to the fire.
 
CRPercodani said:
This thread definitely got bad really fast, and most of *us* are to blame, so guys step back and ask yourself why are you getting so defensive and childish over a phone? If he doesn't like it then that's fine, I'm sure we don't like certain phones but does that mean we deserve to be talked to in that manner? Nah, not at all. If you don't like what the OP has to say, ignore it or report it, but don't add fuel to the fire.
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A bit of reasonable dialogue, for a nice change of pace. All jokes aside- I can appreciate mixing it up a little, but some of you should try to recognize that a person not liking your phone isn't quite the same as insulting a family member.
 
AVP said:
I like my DROID. Let me say that first off before anyone starts to get defensive. My previous phone was a used Blackberry 8700g off ebay that didn't even have a data plan. I've was reading about phones avidly the past few months just waiting for Nov 30 to arrive when my plan was up with Tmo. I had decided to get the BB Storm2 but then, the Moto Droid came out of no where and it had a lot of customization options, the reviews were good, and all the Verizon reps really loved the phone. I just decided to get thinking I would regret later if I didn't. After 2 weeks with the Droid it has a few shortfalls that have me concerned.

The application memory:(currently I have 189mb).This is ridiculously
low.
-The Storm2 even has 2gb and lets not get started with what the
iPhone has.
The alarm clock: My phone has to be on all night for the alarm clock to
go off????!!
- Are you kidding me?? Even my old plastic 8700 didn't have to be
on for the alarm clock to be initiated.
The frequent application errors: "Force close."
- I think we have all seen this many a times. It's starting to act like
Windows.

If I'm having these concerns 2 weeks into my new Droid purchase, I'm worried about what could happen in the next 2 years! What do you all think?

AVP
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IMO 2 out of the 3 concerns you have are valid. The memory and the force close but the latter I don't believe it's the phone or the OS. I've said this on other post similar to this one....If the user isn't happy with the phone, then you should return it. Everyone has their own little quirks which may differ with others. Do what ever makes you happy because at the end it's your opinion that matters.
 
Ok, everyone calm down. I have seen a lot of comments that really were not needed.

The original poster said he had a problem with the alarm clock, the internal storage of the Droid and the (sounds like) frequent force closing if applications.

For the first: This personally is not an issue for me because when I go to sleep, the phone goes on the charger. By the end of the day the battery is likely at 20% or so so it needs charging. I plug it up and lock the screen. By looking at the battery usage statistics the cellphone wireless (not Wi-Fi) being on uses about 5% of my battery, while the screen uses a whopping 60%. You could but the phone into airplane mode and then lock the screen (could that be the same thing as "going to sleep"?). It is my opinion that the Android OS will only get better and that its users will see good improvements over the next few months. That may or not be the case but I seriously doubt Google and Motorola are going to have this phone released as the flagship phone for Verizon and not try and fix the issues that its users are having.

The second:
The internal storage of the Motorola Droid is 512MB ROM and the external storage is an included 16GB SD card (that is removable). The device has 256MB of RAM. RAM is not the same thing as disk space. From what I hear only 256MB of the internal disk space is usable for application installation. If you have not noticed, it seems as though the executables for programs are stored on the internal device memory while the application data (settings, etc.) are stored on the 16GB SD card. So really, 256MB isn't as much of a limitation as you would think. Yes, of course it is an annoying limitation if you want to install tons and tons of applications (something like games in particular would be the largest I would think). While that limitation is in place currently I hear that the Android team is working on a way to install applications to an SD card right now. I tried to find the link to it but the team basically said they were working on this issue.

The third: Many third-party applications are to blame for this. However, for the problems caused by the Android OS I am sure the team is busy working on them. Also third-party applications that have these sorts of issues will continually be improved upon as the Android system gets older (and assuming the developers of the applications care about making them better and/or have the time/resources).

I got it about four days ago and I have definitely noticed a few things about it that tick me off. I feel like I can do so much on it, so when there is something that doesn't work right it is more noticeable. That is my hypothesis at least.

Really though, if you don't like it, and want to take it back then do that. However, like I said earlier I feel that many of the big issues people have with the device will be fixed and it will truly shine. Also, Flash Lite 10 is going to be released for it in January so that is going to add a lot the the web capability of the device. I don't want to start an argument over devices but the iPhone is probably never going to get Flash; Flash conflicts with Apple's licensing agreement.
 
johflo88 said:
Be nice! we do care, after all he (if) did owned a Droid for 2 weeks. Just that the Droid is definitely way way to high tech for him and he is not ready for the Droid yet, maybe 3 more years. He is looking for an alarm clock phone.
I recommend the iphone for him and if he wants to complain.He'll see the shortcoming of the iphone and in the same token it might suit him with an on and off application. (the iphone is 3 years old and nothing has changed much) That will be a good start for a beginner.No insults intended! :confused:
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How can someone NOT be insulted by your post? :confused:

My first thought after reading the OP was that the poster meant the phone wasn't in SLEEP mode. I tried the Dockrunner app and the screen does stay on the whole time.

I don't understand why people have to bash people for not liking a PHONE. :rolleyes:
 
Ok now were starting to get little unreasonable hear..... you guys do realize he was going to return his DROID (the best android phone out there right now) because the screen stayed on when he had an alarm. Which is ridiculous especially since this is the norm for most alarm clocks, turning it off prevents people who sleep past the alarm to see what time it is, or people who wake up before the alarm to see what time it is. So he really had no business for bashing the droid for doing what most other products like it do.

Whats really kind of irritating is that there are probably alarm apps out there that give him what he wants if he just looks
and the application memory argument is invalid as well im pretty sure 512mb is enough for everyone and unless it stays that way there is no reason to complain about it.

The only valid argument is force close, which has very little to do with the phone.

So no you shouldn't return your droid for those reasons. Maybe you should return it because of the weird form factor, slow camera, ugly media player, poor keyboard, jit's weight and size, or maybe because its just not an iphone.

I really think this thread should be closed at this point......
 
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