So I bought the new iPhone to check it out.

[Clayton1]

Funny thing (not really funny) is when I bought my sgs 2 I was out of town, I got back to my hotel room and proceeded to the porcelain thrown and started to play with phone and the sob slipped right out of my hands. I figured with my luck the damn thing would be cracked....luckily it was designed to take a fall?

 

[Stuntman]

The Jump Master did drop me out of a fine little airplane. I did hit the ground. And yes, we all drop things. I just dropped my coffee cup.

I dropped my coffee mug several years ago. It has a dent in it now. It still works though.

 

[Bob Maxey]

I dropped my coffee mug several years ago. It has a dent in it now. It still works though.

If you had a steel case to protect the cup, you would not need to go through the rest of your life with the shame of a dented coffee cup. I go ceramic, myself. I love those thick tan colored 'coffee shop' ceramic cups.

 

[IOWA]

I walked into the Verizon store yesterday to see what the hype was all about and there was no line to buy the new Iphone. I told them I would be willing to give it a try, but that I did not think I could be swayed away from Android. They thought I would like it if I gave it a try. So far, I absolutely do not get it.
The Bad
1. The screen is small and hard to read, it also does not convert many web pages once you zoom in so that the margins remain on the edges of the screen.
2. No speed dial.
3. No faster than my 3g Droid X
4. Battery is just ok, not really any better than my Droid X
5. Customization is just not there relative to Android.
6. Itunes is hard to use for me, won't download my movies and had to convert all of my music to another format (aac?).
7. After using Android for this long, it is hard for me to navigate the phone and use it buttons. I am going to look for some tutoring.

The good.
1. Nice size phone and it feels HIGH quality. Better construction than ANY Android phone I have owned.
2. Notifications are way better than Android.
3. World phone can be used anywhere almost (huge plus for international travelers and people considering ATT (laugh)).
4. Nice interface with Ford sync.
5. Fits in my pocket rather than hip ( this is because of size, but it is hard to read sometimes).
6. Great resale.

I will give this phone every possible effort to fall in love with it over the next 12 days. I need to find some Iphone help to bring out it's potential. I will be fair and balanced in my review and consideration. It may be hard to do in 12 days after years with Android. Bill

ps- I posted here because it is the prime I will buy if the Iphone goes back.

As far as notification loudness.. i have to keep my notification volume DOWN because they are so LOUD. Granted i use homebrew notification tones, but thats not an option with iOS.

 

[Shocky]

Generally speaking, build quality does not necessarily apply to damage caused by the consumer. The build quality of my Leicaflex is ultra high but when dropped, it will probably break.

I understand what you’re saying but the truth is that it depends on the product.

I will only take my camera with me on special occasions, it's allot heavier then a mobile phone so the shock if it impacting on the hard surface is allot more likely to cause damage, this is why cameras come with a means to attach it round your neck and even round your wrist so the chance of them dropping is reduced.

A mobile phone on the other hand you will take almost everywhere with you and will be used one handed, the chance of you dropping it is much greater, I don't see much use in a phone that will break the first time you drop it.

 

[Pitamakan]

One can certainly argue for a certain baseline of build quality, but beyond that I think there are just too many personal variables to consider. I'm a fairly serious photographer, for example, and I've dropped and hopelessly broken three good-quality cameras over the years. But I haven't broken a cellphone yet.

*knocks on wood*

 

[lunatic59]

Hoping that the build quality issue is not too far off topic since it is in reference to the iPhone.

...build quality does not necessarily apply to damage caused by the consumer.

Perhaps not, but it should take intended usage into consideration. For example, the Leica camera is intended to be treated with a greater amount of care than a cell phone. A mobile phone is intended to be picked up, pocketed, put on many different surfaces and exposed to multiple environments during the course of normal usage. The fact that a cell phone does not have a handle or a strap to secure it and that it will be handled frequently means the opportunity for dropping it is much greater than other things. This use should be factored into the design. The double sided full surface glass of the iPhone 4 is disregarding function for form. Just like the Delorean was impressive when pristine, the choice of materials made it prone to more expensive damage than comparable vehicles.

 

[IOWA]

Hoping that the build quality issue is not too far off topic since it is in reference to the iPhone.



Perhaps not, but it should take intended usage into consideration. For example, the Leica camera is intended to be treated with a greater amount of care than a cell phone. A mobile phone is intended to be picked up, pocketed, put on many different surfaces and exposed to multiple environments during the course of normal usage. The fact that a cell phone does not have a handle or a strap to secure it and that it will be handled frequently means the opportunity for dropping it is much greater than other things. This use should be factored into the design. The double sided full surface glass of the iPhone 4 is disregarding function for form. Just like the Delorean was impressive when pristine, the choice of materials made it prone to more expensive damage than comparable vehicles.

Yeah double sided glass* on a phone (any phone) gives it an automatic zero for build quality IMO. Give me aluminum or carbon fiber please. Not a fan of the plastic Samsung uses but it's also been VERY durable despite it's light weight feel.

 

[Pitamakan]

Yeah double sided class on a phone (any phone) gives it an automatic zero for build quality IMO. Give me aluminum or carbon fiber please. Not a fan of the plastic Samsung uses but it's also been VERY durable despite it's light weight feel.

I have more than a few Mac-owning friends who would definitely agree that an iPhone is "double sided class."

 

[Stuntman]

If you had a steel case to protect the cup, you would not need to go through the rest of your life with the shame of a dented coffee cup. I go ceramic, myself. I love those thick tan colored 'coffee shop' ceramic cups.

Yeah. I should buy one of those heavy duty mug protectors that the military uses that protects coffee mugs from a 1000m fall.

The only problem is that a mug protector will cover up the nice holographic logo on my coffee mug.

 

[lunatic59]

Yeah. I should buy one of those heavy duty mug protectors that the military uses that protects coffee mugs from a 1000m fall.

The only problem is that a mug protector will cover up the nice holographic logo on my coffee mug.

I hear those military mug protectors cost the govt. $40k each.

 

[LSXMMA]

I was told from an Iphone user that you could jailbreak and Iphone and run Android OS on an Iphone and be able to fully customize an Iphone the same way you can a Droid. Is this true?!!?

 

[Bob Maxey]

I was told from an Iphone user that you could jailbreak and Iphone and run Android OS on an Iphone and be able to fully customize an Iphone the same way you can a Droid. Is this true?!!?

Nope, impossible for many technical reasons. That said, it might be one day possible because people are actively pursuing Android OS on iDevices. So farm no go.

You can, however, run something called Dreamboard. The program is a theme platform requiring Dreamboard Themes. And you can DL themes that make your device look like Android, or Windows, or Ubuntu or like nothing else you've ever seen.

As for jailbreaking iOS devices, yes, you can highly modify iDevices. We Jailbreakers use something called Cydia, a front end to Repositories for things like apps, themes, tweaks, and other stuff. We use Winterboard to theme the device.

One thing I do not think Android users can do is mix and match parts of themes. I can use icons from one theme, wallpaper from another, a lock screen from a third theme, and so forth. I change icon label colors, text, and so forth. When I 'respring' the iDevice is changed. If not satisfied, simply uncheck the options in Winterboard and respring.

You can also create free themes online directly from your device.

iDevices are every bit as easy to customize as Android devices.

 

[LSXMMA]

Thanks, I did not think it was possible yet but thought I would inquire!

 

[IOWA]

Nope, impossible for many technical reasons. That said, it might be one day possible because people are actively pursuing Android OS on iDevices. So farm no go.

You can, however, run something called Dreamboard. The program is a theme platform requiring Dreamboard Themes. And you can DL themes that make your device look like Android, or Windows, or Ubuntu or like nothing else you've ever seen.

As for jailbreaking iOS devices, yes, you can highly modify iDevices. We Jailbreakers use something called Cydia, a front end to Repositories for things like apps, themes, tweaks, and other stuff. We use Winterboard to theme the device.

One thing I do not think Android users can do is mix and match parts of themes. I can use icons from one theme, wallpaper from another, a lock screen from a third theme, and so forth. I change icon label colors, text, and so forth. When I 'respring' the iDevice is changed. If not satisfied, simply uncheck the options in Winterboard and respring.

You can also create free themes online directly from your device.

iDevices are every bit as easy to customize as Android devices.

So you can suddenly download, install, and theme iDevices now without voiding your warranty on iDevices jusy like Android?

Yeah... nowhere near as easy.

 

[LSXMMA]

He sent me this link....

Android running on iPhone - YouTube

 

[Remeniz]

Build quality refers to how well an item is 'put together' and under normal use these well built items tend to last longer and don't fall apart easily.

The lightness of the SGS2 can be mis understood as poor workmanship, compared to thicker and more substantial phones, but it was designed to be light, and thin, but still has great build quality; it's put together very well.

I think that drop test shows a better engineered phone, the SGS2, compared to a phone that has room for improvement, even if it is just reconsidering the materials used in manufacturing.

 

[Bob Maxey]

So you can suddenly download, install, and theme iDevices now without voiding your warranty on iDevices jusy like Android?

Yeah... nowhere near as easy.

Nope. Perhaps. Yes.

The question was if you can do it, not what will happen if you have a warranty issue. For the vast majority of is scurrilous Jailbreakers, the benefits outweigh the risks. And few of us have issues.

 

[Bob Maxey]

He sent me this link....

Android running on iPhone - YouTube

Somewhat old news, and I have already seen it and discounted it because of the effort required to get it up and running. Thanks for reminding me, I stand corrected. Not impossible unless you want an easy go of it.

Problems are many and last I knew, you had to build the code from the source. There might be ways around that, however. I am glad people are trying, but it is far from ready for prime time. It cannot be used as a "daily OS' because it is very rough and unfinished. I look at his efforts as Proof of Concept.

You also need Linux or a virtual machine and you need a compiler and firmware for a certain chip in the iPhone/iDevices.

From the link below: "The first steps collect the multitouch and WLAN firmware for the iPhone. We cannot legally redistribute these binary blobs, so it is necessary for you to extract them from the .ipsw file and Marvell's Website." that is just one part of the process and it is too much for me. Besides, I have iOS and a JB and it works for me which is all I really want.

I do applaud these kinds of efforts, but I want stability and as many guarantees as possible. His way is just too difficult and the downside is bigger than the gains and benefits.

I found this in my files:

How to Install Android on Your iPhone - Page 2 | PCWorld

 

[Frisco]

One thing I do not think Android users can do is mix and match parts of themes. I can use icons from one theme, wallpaper from another, a lock screen from a third theme, and so forth. I change icon label colors, text, and so forth. When I 'respring' the iDevice is changed. If not satisfied, simply uncheck the options in Winterboard and respring.

Those of us who have multiple themes in our Android devices and who are using elements of each to customize our screens, etc, are reading that with a as to what you mean.

Right now my X2 has a Go Ex theme running with icons from ADW's Elegant theme along with a 3D wallpaper from Zedge. The dock is part of Go Ex, but is populated with text icons I made myself in Simple Text Icons.

Perhaps I misunderstood that quoted section of your post.

 

[alextop30]

hmm.. that's something I don't really get either. A good friend of mine has the iphone 4, and he is always almost out of battery, and is always charging it when we ride together... but the moment I complain about my battery life, it is all on android. I think all touchscreen phones get lousy battery life. Hell, maybe even all smartphones (possibly exclude BB).

Also, I am curious about the camera. Honestly though, I don't really follow iphone too closely, but I know my evo takes great pictures where there is decent light (outside). Soooo....

Agree with you completely it seems every smart phone uses battery like little kid that is drinking a juicebox of apple juice. That is except the blackberry coz it is really not a smart phone but an email phone. If you plant to use it for more than just email you do not want it.

 

[alextop30]

hmm.. that's something I don't really get either. A good friend of mine has the iphone 4, and he is always almost out of battery, and is always charging it when we ride together... but the moment I complain about my battery life, it is all on android. I think all touchscreen phones get lousy battery life. Hell, maybe even all smartphones (possibly exclude BB).

Also, I am curious about the camera. Honestly though, I don't really follow iphone too closely, but I know my evo takes great pictures where there is decent light (outside). Soooo....

Agree with you completely it seems every smart phone uses battery like little kid that is drinking a juicebox of apple juice. That is except the blackberry coz it is really not a smart phone but an email phone. If you plant to use it for more than just email you do not want it.

 

[IOWA]

Nope. Perhaps. Yes.

The question was if you can do it, not what will happen if you have a warranty issue. For the vast majority of is scurrilous Jailbreakers, the benefits outweigh the risks. And few of us have issues.

I'm sorry but forcing someone to void their warranty in order to change some icons is nowhere near androids ease of use when it comes to customization.

 

[Bob Maxey]

I'm sorry but forcing someone to void their warranty in order to change some icons is nowhere near androids ease of use when it comes to customization.

Like Rooting?

 

[Bob Maxey]

Those of us who have multiple themes in our Android devices and who are using elements of each to customize our screens, etc, are reading that with a as to what you mean.

Right now my X2 has a Go Ex theme running with icons from ADW's Elegant theme along with a 3D wallpaper from Zedge. The dock is part of Go Ex, but is populated with text icons I made myself in Simple Text Icons.

Perhaps I misunderstood that quoted section of your post.

Yes, you misunderstood. I said, "One thing I do not think Android users can do is mix and match parts of themes." I was not aware that you can pull different parts of Launcher Pro and Helix (for example) and combine them. I thought if you ran LP you could not import individual parts of ADW or something else; you had to run either/or.

I do not fiddle with my Triumph much these days. About all I do answer phone calls. Not sure what one can do with Android themes so I left the statement/question open for comment. So do not be so confused.

I do see how you could use icons and wallpapers from other themes . . . that makes sense.