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So much for 4G

uniquenameEVO said:
I agree completely, but to tether at that speed...that might be interesting.
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Tethering might be interesting, but the phone battery will definitely give out quickly.

None of this is going to matter in 2 years. There will be phones with Wimax, LTE, and 3G radios so data speed access won't be an issue. TMo and ATT using GSM current advantage is being lost because there are so no HSPA+ phones capable of the top end speeds right now. Tmo has one coming out later this summer/early fall, but TMo's too small to get phonemakers to develop devices for it. TMo's best bet would be to try to get some WPS7 phones that are HSPA+ ready. ATT's never going to develop HSPA+ so again the phonemaker and phone availability issue is going to void this tech.
 
Rigmaster said:
Tethering might be interesting, but the phone battery will definitely give out quickly.

None of this is going to matter in 2 years. There will be phones with Wimax, LTE, and 3G radios so data speed access won't be an issue. TMo and ATT using GSM current advantage is being lost because there are so no HSPA+ phones capable of the top end speeds right now. Tmo has one coming out later this summer/early fall, but TMo's too small to get phonemakers to develop devices for it. TMo's best bet would be to try to get some WPS7 phones that are HSPA+ ready. ATT's never going to develop HSPA+ so again the phonemaker and phone availability issue is going to void this tech.
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Lot of good points. But, in two years...none of this will matter at all. The EVO will be free with contract and some of us will look back and be amazed we got by with something so simple.

I love the direction things are going. I have my fingers crossed for a battery tech breakthrough.
 
4g coverage blows here too, despite claiming of one of the biggest, if not the biggest, 4g areas in the country. Totally unimpressed with 4g. However, service in general and 3g is a dream here.
 
uniquenameEVO said:
Lot of good points. But, in two years...none of this will matter at all. The EVO will be free with contract and some of us will look back and be amazed we got by with something so simple.

I love the direction things are going. I have my fingers crossed for a battery tech breakthrough.
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There won't be Evos in 2 years. HTC and Sprint will sunset this phone by then and have something with dual Wimax and LTE radios to replace it.

What will be most interesting is how the carriers maintain coverage claims without having dual Wimax and LTE radio devices. I don't think they will be able to duplicate the same coverage that they have with 3G without having similar roaming agreements and compatibility.

That is my single greatest concern about Sprint being able to stay off the tiered pricing plans. No way can VZW allow Sprint people to roam without data limits that VZW customers have. No way can VZW or Sprint provide LTE and Wimax respectively nationwide without something bridging coverage gaps.

The one thing that would make me more comfortable would be if somehow Sprint could somehow grow by 20MM subscribers in 2 years. The only way that would happen is if Sprint got the iPhone and could begin selling it as iPhone 4G with Wimax+LTE. That's a very long shot, and it would have as much downside as upside.

The obvious fact here though is that ATT is going to get absolutely clobbered when iPhone goes to another carrier. I only give credence to it being TMo when I consider that Deutsch Tel that actually owns TMo USA is probably either going to get iPhone 4G or become entirely irrelevant because it will only have WPS7 phones. WPS7 is going to collossally fail. Too late to market and MSFT has never been able to successfully copy or build off Apple's UI ease of use for the consumer. Kin was not a good sign for MSFT. I think it was a good sign for Sprint though because I'm sure Sprint had a chance to pass on it.
 
uniquenameEVO said:
I agree completely, but to tether at that speed...that might be interesting.
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Right. I disfavor the allegations that you're a fraudster or troll, but your results are certainly peculiar and interesting.

I think tethering the phone and running an appropriate speedtest (through a browser) on a laptop would certainly offer some compelling data points and would help corroborate or refute the findings on your phone.
 
NeoteriX said:
Right. I disfavor the allegations that you're a fraudster or troll, but your results are certainly peculiar and interesting.

I think tethering the phone and running an appropriate speedtest (through a browser) on a laptop would certainly offer some compelling data points and would help corroborate or refute the findings on your phone.
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+1

And add that true and complete screenshots must be made and shown to back up your claims. Claiming greater speed than anyone else ever is great, but you need to show us all for us to believe it .
 
when you use the blackberry stock browser to run speed tests, it cached data from when you ran the speed test last time, so when you run it again, it shows insane speed (since the stuff it's trying to load is already cached on the phone), I can reproduce a similar speed to yours again and again on my blackberry tour
 
centauress said:
+1

And add that true and complete screenshots must be made and shown to back up your claims. Claiming greater speed than anyone else ever is great, but you need to show us all for us to believe it .
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Already disproved myself ;) I can say, it WAS on 3G, it WAS as real as I could imagine. It WAS my second test that went to amazing speed. I can also say it doesn't cache long, because I ran it again later and got much lower speeds. (though still too high). My results were in how the RIM servers handle the blackberry.

That said, I am getting insane speed compared to before. Obviously I can't speed test I have learned...but mailing 3.2mp pictures is fast when it used to be slow.
 
wrchad23 said:
4g coverage blows here too, despite claiming of one of the biggest, if not the biggest, 4g areas in the country. Totally unimpressed with 4g. However, service in general and 3g is a dream here.
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It;ll get better. Right now its still in "beta testing".
 
Ok, what you did was impossible. Your phone radio is capped at 3.2 mbps download on hsdpa. Period, you can not go faster. It may seem faster because of the compression that blackberries do, but please read the specs of you phone before you post. Secondly, hspa+ only works when no one is using it, once you start to use hspa+ your connection drops to 3g speeds. Sorry it is the way it is built. When you do a speedtest, it bursts up, but cant maintain the speed. Which looks really good for the short term. But no phone on the market can exceed 10mbps.
Data
gsm Class 10 (4+1/3+2 slots), 32 - 48 kbps
EDGE Class 10, 236.8 kbps
3G HSDPA, 3.6 Mbps
WLAN Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g, UMA
Bluetooth Yes, v2.1 with A2DP
 
RiverOfIce said:
Ok, what you did was impossible. Your phone radio is capped at 3.2 mbps download on hsdpa. Period, you can not go faster. It may seem faster because of the compression that blackberries do, but please read the specs of you phone before you post. Secondly, hspa+ only works when no one is using it, once you start to use hspa+ your connection drops to 3g speeds. Sorry it is the way it is built. When you do a speedtest, it bursts up, but cant maintain the speed. Which looks really good for the short term. But no phone on the market can exceed 10mbps.
Data
gsm Class 10 (4+1/3+2 slots), 32 - 48 kbps
EDGE Class 10, 236.8 kbps
3G HSDPA, 3.6 Mbps
WLAN Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g, UMA
Bluetooth Yes, v2.1 with A2DP
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Have you not been reading anyhting past my first post?
 
uniquenameEVO said:
I can also say it doesn't cache long, because I ran it again later and got much lower speeds. (though still too high).
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You never posted the lower speeds. What where they? You also said you have many test above that. And you still have not shown the whole picture of the test. In fact, your phone does not even do hspa+.
 
RiverOfIce said:
You never posted the lower speeds. What where they? You also said you have many test above that. And you still have not shown the whole picture of the test. In fact, your phone does not even do hspa+.
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You are now amusing me. I conceded your point after I proved it to myself by looking (you stated things with no links). You are still attacking something I have already agreed was wrong.

Wanna come call me names too?
 
EDIT: Guess I should read the whole thread first. Just confirming what was said above.

Um guys I'm pretty sure Blackberry internet services are cached. Your phone connects to the blackberry server which then connects to the internet. The speed you see is the speed of the link between that server and the test site and has nothing to do with the data speed of your phone. This is the same thing that happens with Opera mini for example.

I'm also getting sick of seeing speed tests of people saying "my 3g is as fast as 4g" that completely ignore the fact that the latency of the connection is some 10 times higher making your "fast" 3g connection feel about as quick as a half dead dialup modem.
 
uniquenameEVO said:
You are now amusing me. I conceded your point after I proved it to myself by looking (you stated things with no links). You are still attacking something I have already agreed was wrong.

Wanna come call me names too?
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Any google search will easy back up what I am saying, I know because that is my job to know.

You have not changed the original topic or even edited the title.

But I will go away when you show the full picture including the isp.
 
RiverOfIce said:
Any google search will easy back up what I am saying, I know because that is my job to know.

You have not changed the original topic or even edited the title.

But I will go away when you show the full picture including the isp.
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I edited the title as much as possible as a regular user.

Keep on proving it, I already agreed I was wrong. I didn't lie, I just got excited and posted before I realized what happened.

Edit-Extra fun! I didn't even pay attention to the fact that you didn't get involved until after the subject was dead. Thanks for the redundant info. Read the whole thread before your reply next time, ok?
 
no worries. you admit a mistake (not even really your mistake, just the stupid way that blackberry deal with speed tests) and thats the end of it.
 
Well let's establish a different reason for not caring about TMO's HSPA+:

Sure, it's fast, but their network has terrible range. There's vast swaths of area that doesn't have any 3G at all, and more area that has no signal whatsoever. What really bothers me is that they don't even seem to cover the highways very well. On Sprint, I can go from Cincinnati to Cleveland with Pandora and GPS running the whole time, on 3G. I don't think I could even make a phone call the whole way back when I was on TMO, much less sustain 3G.
 
The highest test I've got so far is 4G at Newark Int'l Airport, using my Evo I got around 3+ Mbps. The highest I've recorded my 3G is in my room at 1.5 Mbps. In the SW Houston suburbs, I've only measured 4G being slower than 3G most of the time. I hope Sprint is reading this.
 
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