so why can't the iphone multi task? Oh yeah because they "just blew it"

[IOWA]

geez, i didn't study to be an english teacher, i'm not gonna continue to try convincing you that mbell75 was perfectly clear about what he was asking, or that my statement wasn't contradicting itself - could we just move on with the actual topic and the intended question:

what can we do with our android devices concerning multitasking that iphone os 4.0 can't?

Off of the top of my head, widgets, for starters.

The rest, well, we will just have to see it in action.

 

[mrqs]

i give up

 

[IOWA]

i give up

So what, iphone has widgets too?

 

[mrqs]

widgets are a feature unrelated to multitasking - yes, the widgets keep running in the background thanks to multitasking, but the iphone os doesn't lack widgets because of lack of multitasking

the question remains, what does android's multitasking allow for that iphone os 4.0 doesn't?

i don't think i can dumb this down any more than this

 

[IOWA]

widgets are a feature unrelated to multitasking - yes, the widgets keep running in the background thanks to multitasking, but the iphone os doesn't lack widgets because of lack of multitasking

the question remains, what does android's multitasking allow for that iphone os 4.0 doesn't?

i don't think i can dumb this down any more than this

That doesn't make any sense. If widgets are running in the background, that is multitasking.

I just had to throw in the in the double face palm

 

[The_Gnome_]

I don't generally find myself agreeing with IOWA, but double facepalm is called for here.

widgets are a feature unrelated to multitasking - yes, the widgets keep running in the background thanks to multitasking

Isn't that a contradictory statement? If they're running due to multitasking, then how can they be unrelated to multitasking?

 

[mrqs]

dear god, not another one - do you guys honestly consider widgets to be an answer to the stated question?

of course widgets as a topic are related to multitasking, but not in a cause-effect context
widgets are not a product of multitasking

for the #th time, the question is how is android's multitasking superior to that of the iphone os 4.0

(yes, i'm intentionally phrasing the question differently each time, hoping that one of them will get through)

 

[IOWA]

dear god, not another one - do you guys honestly consider widgets to be an answer to the stated question?

of course widgets as a topic are related to multitasking, but they haven't got anything to do with the context here
widgets are not a product of multitasking

Ok, I'd REALLY like to hear this explanation how widgets aren't a product of multitasking. If anything, it's the opposite.

 

[mrqs]

Ok, I'd REALLY like to hear this explanation how widgets aren't a product of multitasking. If anything, it's the opposite.

you don't think it's possible to have a multitasking os without widgets?

remember windows 3.11? that's an example of a multitasking os that doesn't have widgets

 

[IOWA]

you don't think it's possible to have a multitasking os without widgets?

remember windows 3.11? that's an example of a multitasking os that doesn't have widgets

I'm just going to LOL @ you and move on. Really.

 

[mrqs]

yeah, i'm gonna go cry for you...

could someone just lock this miserable thread? (a shame 'cause i really would have liked to know about the android vs iphone os 4.0 multitasking capabilities)

 

[IOWA]

 

[mrqs]

sorry bongo, my patience has ran out trying to educate you



*edit*
shit, i'm gonna give it another try...

what you are saying here is that the iphone os 4.0 doesn't have true multitasking because it doesn't have widgets
go ahead and read back; that is what you are effectively saying here

if you really stand by that statement, then i am officially done with this thread and will forever think you're clinically insane

if however i've for some reason misunderstood, please tell me, why is it that you think the iphone os 4.0 doesn't have true multitasking as opposed to android

 

[mrqs]

*throwing in a double post since iowa obviously didn't get a notification or user cp update for my edit; feel free to delete this*

*edit* also, i just realized i could have just thrown a pm, but oh well

 

[IOWA]

No, you said widgets aren't a product of multitasking, and yet they are.

I truly won't know what the new iPhone 4.0 will hold until it is released, but from their description, it sounds like it is not multitasking, but one tasking in a shiny new wrapper.

 

[mbell75]

what does android's multitasking allow for that iphone os 4.0 doesn't?[/i]

i don't think i can dumb this down any more than this

Exactly. Who cares if it pauses the app like iphone 4.0 will or the app keeps running in the back like android. It's not being used anyways and I can guarantee you the iPhone/iPad apps will fire up just as quickly no matter if it's paused or running in the background. IPhone 4.0 will be able to let you run pandora, surf the net and be on your IM all at once. That's multitasking. Not like an android phone can have multiple apps running on it's screen at the same time, unless you have a special version we don't.

 

[IOWA]

Exactly. Who cares if it pauses the app like iphone 4.0 will or the app keeps running in the back like android. It's not being used anyways and I can guarantee you the iPhone/iPad apps will fire up just as quickly no matter if it's paused or running in the background. IPhone 4.0 will be able to let you run pandora, surf the net and be on your IM all at once. That's multitasking. Not like an android phone can have multiple apps running on it's screen at the same time, unless you have a special version we don't.

Then go get a dumbed down iPhone, have fun, and it's nice knowing you.

 

[mrqs]

No, you said widgets aren't a product of multitasking, and yet they are.

i see what's happened here - the term "product of" can be understood in two ways:

1) multitasking allows for the existence of widgets (which i gather is what you took it as)

2) widgets are a direct and unavoidable cause of implementing multitasking (which is what i meant)


so,
1) widgets as we know them on android, largely yes; but an os could have widgets without multitasking, by simply having a surface with editable elements - tho' obviously these elements couldn't update themselves when the surface process is left in the background and would hence have very limited capabilities compared to those on android today

2) they obviously aren't

I truly won't know what the new iPhone 4.0 will hold until it is released, but from their description, it sounds like it is not multitasking, but one tasking in a shiny new wrapper.

then why did you start a thread bashing the iphone os 4.0's multitasking if you haven't got the first clue about how it works?

like i mentioned some posts ago, the iphone os 4.0 allows services to run in the background, even tho' processes are strictly pause-resume
now i don't pretend to know a whole lot about this (which is why i was asking in the first place), but as far as i can see, this behaviour is very similar to that of android

 

[IOWA]

i see what's happened here - the term "product of" can be understood in two ways:

1) multitasking allows for the existence of widgets (which i gather is what you took it as)

2) widgets are a direct and unavoidable cause of multitasking (which is what i meant)


so,
1) widgets as we know them on android, largely yes; but an os could have widgets without multitasking, by simply having a surface with editable elements - tho' obviously these elements couldn't update themselves when the surface process is left in the background and would hence have very limited capabilities compared to those on android today

2) they obviously aren't



then why did you start a thread bashing the iphone os 4.0's multitasking if you haven't got the first clue about how it works?

like i mentioned some posts ago, the iphone os 4.0 allows services to run in the background, even tho' processes are strictly pause-resume
now i don't pretend to know a whole lot about this (which is why i was asking in the first place), but as far as i can see, this behaviour is very similar to that of android

Similar, yes, the same, not quite. Depending on how apple implements this, I can for-see some memory re-addressing issues.

 

[mrqs]

do elaborate (finally we're getting somewhere)

 

[mbell75]

then why did you start a thread bashing the iphone os 4.0's multitasking if you haven't got the first clue about how it works?

like i mentioned some posts ago, the iphone os 4.0 allows services to run in the background, even tho' processes are strictly pause-resume
now i don't pretend to know a whole lot about this (which is why i was asking in the first place), but as far as i can see, this behaviour is very similar to that of android

Because he's an Apple hater with nothing better to do then troll and bash them and their products. You are right though, the way Android deals with apps in the background is different but the end result will be the same. Call it up and it's ready to go.

 

[vandyblackandgold]

i have a legitimate question. i havent read apple's tentpoles, not a programmer, never gonna download sdk or root my phone, can only tell you that API is a form of communication.

trying to get back on topic here, i just did a little test with my news and weather widget.....

my news ticker changes headlines every 8 seconds....i opened my browser and played around on the internet for approx 2 minutes....when hitting the homescreen, my news ticker was still on the same headline....then i noticed my upload and download indicators in the my 3g symbol both light up and after 17 seconds, the news ticker started changing again.

isnt that just saving and restarting?

also, i have to tell my news and weather widget how often to update, seems more like some sort of "push" to me.

 

[IOWA]

i have a legitimate question. i havent read apple's tentpoles, not a programmer, never gonna download sdk or root my phone, can only tell you that API is a form of communication.

trying to get back on topic here, i just did a little test with my news and weather widget.....

my news ticker changes headlines every 8 seconds....i opened my browser and played around on the internet for approx 2 minutes....when hitting the homescreen, my news ticker was still on the same headline....then i noticed my upload and download indicators in the my 3g symbol both light up and after 17 seconds, the news ticker started changing again.

isnt that just saving and restarting?

also, i have to tell my news and weather widget how often to update, seems more like some sort of "push" to me.

No that wouldn't be saving and restarting. You don't want to maintain a constant stream of data. That would instantly kill your battery. Well not instantly, but fast enough.

mrqs- seriously dude, if anyone is trolling here, it is you. You are on an android forum, bashing android, and talking up Apple. That is the very definition of trolling.

 

[mrqs]

the way Android deals with apps in the background is different but the end result will be the same. Call it up and it's ready to go.

it's about already going before calling it up tho' - running in the background and not just being paused



@vandyblackandgold - seems odd, i can think of 3 possibilities:
1) your browsing ate up all your ram and the widget was killed by the os
2) the widget is coded badly
3) i don't know as much about android as i thought

mrqs- seriously dude, if anyone is trolling here, it is you. You are on an android forum, bashing android, and talking up Apple. That is the very definition of trolling.

wasn't me who called you a troll
in any case, i haven't done any android bashing, merely trying to point out some senseless apple bashing (tho' i do share a lot of your hatred of the company and their phone)

 

[IOWA]

it's about already going before calling it up tho' - running in the background and not just being paused



@vandyblackandgold - seems odd, i can think of 3 possibilities:
1) your browsing ate up all your ram and the widget was killed by the os
2) the widget is coded badly
3) i don't know as much about android as i thought


wasn't me who called you a troll
in any case, i haven't done any android bashing, merely trying to point out some senseless apple bashing (tho' i do share a lot of your hatred of the company and their phone)

The one thing about android that does irk me is the browser really does need some optimizing. I notice the phone will run smooth as butter for days even if I don't use the browser. But If I do heavy browsing poof theres all the ram.