State: Concealed carry bill advances!!

[gregs887]

so for those who live in such areas why do you see a need to CCW instead of just hip holster??

If you are in line at a store and someone comes in brandishing a weapon intent on robbing the place, do you want them to see a gun on your hip? You can bet you would be the first one shot. CCW gives the element of surprise.

 

[Dark Jedi]

I think the added benefit of conceal is no one knows you have it, it'll leave people guessing who want to mug you so they'll be a bit more cautious. Now if it was open carry people are going ot carry it in the open, gives criminals a better view on who is carrying or not.

Also with open carry, if you read abou the issues wisconsin had, an old lady called in a complaint about thinking something bad was going to happen cause 4 guys had guns, turns out she didn't know it was the law they could and told them operator to nvm cause they weren't being rude or anything, but the sheriff still ordered them arrested etc.

I just think having it concealed is better off for everyone.

BUt you said it right there if you had it displayed in plain sight the criminals would stay away from you. Why I say some people with CCW wants that confrontation. Not saying all.

 

[Dark Jedi]

If you are in line at a store and someone comes in brandishing a weapon intent on robbing the place, do you want them to see a gun on your hip? You can bet you would be the first one shot. CCW gives the element of surprise.

Also having it on your hip might make the guy to think twice as he dont know if your a plain clothes cop. It can work either way.

 

[copestag]

another question...... just because Im curious and dont know the current laws or proposed laws on CCW...... and because earlymon brought up how it feels with a seatbelt......

why exactly would you be able to even have it holstered while driving? even with CCW......... according to the sec of state you have to have it cased-unloaded-and out of accessibility in a vehicle in a trunk or truckbed etc...... I know when I take a shotgun hunting its a big pita

 

[EarlyMon]

another question...... just because Im curious and dont know the current laws or proposed laws on CCW...... and because earlymon brought up how it feels with a seatbelt......

why exactly would you be able to even have it holstered while driving? even with CCW......... according to the sec of state you have to have it cased-unloaded-and out of accessibility in a vehicle in a trunk or truckbed etc...... I know when I take a shotgun hunting its a big pita

New Mexico - New Mexico DPS | Concealed & Carry Information

Question: Do I have to be licensed to have a concealed loaded handgun inside my vehicle?


Answer: No. New Mexico law allows a person who is not otherwise prohibited to have a concealed loaded firearm in his/her vehicle (including motorcycles and bicycles). See 30-7-2 NMSA 1978. If you are not licensed to carry concealed in this State or in a state that NM recognizes, you may not have the weapon concealed on your person when you exit your vehicle or motorcycle.

Why would I have it holstered while driving? To not brandish it.


I will often come out of my lab just after bar closing hours. I prefer to simply get in my car, buckle up and drive to the safety of my home, without making any motions to indicate I'm managing a firearm. During summer hours when that sort of thing is impractical, I have a soft attache case with a breakaway flap that conceals my pistol.


It doesn't make me feel safer, it doesn't make me feel like Rambo - it makes me feel like I'm lugging around more iron, and my laptop and tools tend to be equally sufficient in the weight department. It's just one more tool that doesn't get waved about when going to and fro the lab at those bad hours any more than a rachet driver.

 

[EarlyMon]

Just noticed this, hence the late reply.

Absolutely fabulous man

Not really, nothing to glorify. If anything, it saddened me to be reminded that that is sometimes a part of life, and the gravity faced by directing deadly force on your fellow man because he has scrambled brain chemicals is nothing to ever desire.

Glad I was able to prevent the victimizations, sad that things got to that point. Can you imagine how those people still feel? Like some hero saved them - or like they were inadequate to protect themselves? Myself, I don't know, but I hope that I improved their lives and longevity so they can deal with just that and not what would have happened if things had progressed.

I would LOVE to take training courses but I have to look into what they offer around here. What sort of classes and training have you taken? I would honestly love to get into some of those tacticle field trainings people get to do but I don't think theres any of those around here.

I'm not at liberty to discuss my full background.

Tactical training is the last thing you take.

First - contact your local university or district attorney for recommendations on how you can fully study your legal responsibilities.

Next - take whatever extension courses you have in ethics, and work at it. Volunteer if at all possible with a fire department or police auxiliary or in a hospital ward.

Be quite sure of the consequences, viscerally, emotionally, before you decide you want to be in a position to take a life.

Then if you're ready to still engage, probably your best bet is Gunsite Academy, which I'll let you Google for yourself.

And on a lot of days, when I'm in my best mood, I don't carry at all, because if I am going to go, I'd rather it be on a best day.

Anyway - that's all the preaching anybody here is going to get from me on this subject.

 

[Martimus]

many people DO snap while driving and use their car as a weapon..... and many people do use whatever is around them as a weapon when they snap.... be it a stick, bottle, egg carton, wadded up toilet paper, whatever...... the point I was making is simple......

if youre in the store and snap so far out of control that give someone a beatdown....... or you pick up a bat on the playground and go after someone..... then what will you use when you have a loaded gun on your hip and snap.....

all Im saying is that if a person snaps that far out of control....... which very large numbers of people do every single day...... and now that person is carrying a gun........ they arent going to go looking for something to throw........ they arent going to simply punch a person in the face........ they are going to pull their gun and shoot someone......

How many people carry pocket knives? How many people carry mace?

While it's completely and totally true that a gun is potentially a deadly weapon so is a properly used knife. A gun, however, is effective at a longer range and cannot as easily be defended against.

In closer quarters, however, a knife can be a much more effective weapon. A peer of mine was showing off (a few weeks ago) a new automathc knife that he had purchased. Is it legal in this state? Absolutely! Is it potentially a very deadly weapon in close quarters? Well I sure as heck wouldn't want to piss him off while carrying that thing.

in most places Ive ever lived..... and where I live now...... you can still hip holster a handgun as long as its clearly visible (with the normal exceptions like in bars, schools, etc etc)

so for those who live in such areas why do you see a need to CCW instead of just hip holster??

Where I live now it's perfectly legal to openly carry a weapon in an exposed hip holster. Back in college I was an Air Force cadet who participated on an armed Army precision drill team (needless to say my CO wasn't all that thrilled with me! LOL). We carried Springfield 1903 rifles with the barrels welded closed.

To get to practice weekly I used to sling my 03 over my shoulder and ride my bicycle across campus to practice. Typically I got stopped by PD about once a month... in a state where exposed weapons were completely legal. Carrying an exposed weapon is sometimes like painting a target silhouette on your back.

 

[Crude]

I have to admit I do not understand the point of open carry. I have nothing against it but I carry to defend me. Why would I put myself in harms way? Never under estimate the power of surprise. I've done some heavy research on cases where a person survives a crime because of their weapon, almost all of them would have gone really wrong if the perp had know there was another weapon in the room.

I for one do not flaunt my weapon nor do I make it common knowledge that I carry. I feel like earlymon that it is a tool and a heavy one at that. It makes my life more complicated and uncomfortable. I don't think a tactical course would benefit the average person that carries as much as situation awareness. Keep your head on a swivel, know the exit, know where to find cover and don't go places that are dangerous if you don't need to....and don't make yourself a target.

All of this is opinion and I don't think what works for me will work for everyone. Do what you feel you need to protect yourself, but leave my right to protect myself alone.

 

[Spykez]

BUt you said it right there if you had it displayed in plain sight the criminals would stay away from you. Why I say some people with CCW wants that confrontation. Not saying all.

I wasn't going to respond to you just the way you've been acting in this thread but since everything has to be spelled out for you and your hostile attitude.

The point of CCW is to keep people guessing. A criminal sees someone with a pistol holstered cause of open carry, he can assume people who aren't displaying a gun isn't armed. I assume this law of open carry means you can't conceal so people do in fact know you're armed, I'm not sure about this so don't hold me to that.

Now in a state of conceal, the criminal still has no idea how to tel if a person is ready to defend themselves or not, so they have to think twice about being a douche bag. If he attempts his douchebaggery he puts himself at risk of getting shot. With this in his mind you now have a 50/50 chance of preventing a crime before it happens.

 

[mancow]

Do you purchase auto, home and health insurance? If so you must be a crazy paranoid loon right?



I weapon is simply a form of insurance. It does not possess its owner and command them to do deadly deeds despite what the main stream media and Democratic party would lead you to believe.

Ah, so for one or two nutjobs, you'd have everyone packing?
Thousands of armed loons.
Great!

 

[operant]

Too bad my Winchester over-under is too big to conceal.... .

But on topic I can't believe this hasn't been passed already - I guess the South has rubbed off on me too much.

 

[byteware]

How many people carry pocket knives? How many people carry mace?

While it's completely and totally true that a gun is potentially a deadly weapon so is a properly used knife. A gun, however, is effective at a longer range and cannot as easily be defended against.

In closer quarters, however, a knife can be a much more effective weapon. A peer of mine was showing off (a few weeks ago) a new automathc knife that he had purchased. Is it legal in this state? Absolutely! Is it potentially a very deadly weapon in close quarters? Well I sure as heck wouldn't want to piss him off while carrying that thing.

Here's something most people never think about...

I would much rather defend myself with a firearm, against an assailant with a firearm than I would defend myself with a knife against an assailant with a knife.

With a firearm, experience and training matter. With a knife... God help you.

 

[bigbadwulff]

You will NEVER hear this in the media but the rate of "improper use of a hand gun from registered users" is so low it almost doesn't exist. In Tennessee it like .01%

I will be getting mine soon.

I hope your state gets it. It will mean LOWER CRIME RATES. Always does yet the media will not report this.

 

[tommy_ed]

I think the point he was getting at was how the person snapped and if that person had a gun it might have ended with that person using the gun.

we should also be putting into consideration what might happen if a bystander carrying a concealed weapon saw this "beatdown" take place. It would most likely be stopped for too much damage could be done.

 

[OstrichSaK]

I weapon is simply a form of insurance. It does not possess its owner and command them to do deadly deeds despite what the main stream media and Democratic party would lead you to believe.

It actually had the opposite effect on me. I used to flip people off in traffic as much as the next person or act like a tough guy (I am a biscuit shy of 300lbs so physical altercations were never much of a concern of mine) in public. It's been years ago that I made the decision to get my permit and carry a firearm at all times and I can tell you that it DID change me... but for the better. Now that I have this responsibility it has opened my eyes SO much to reality. I'm more aware of my surroundings at all times. Situational awareness has exponentially increased and I'm amazed at the sort of hazards I turned a blind eye to in the past. This alone helps me to make better decisions to not even be in these types of situations to begin with. I don't road rage, I don't honk my horn or flip people off in traffic because that sort of thing can escalate, quickly. It cracks me up when people who have NO clue what they're talking about go on about how it makes someone a loose cannon looking for a reason to draw the firearm and use it when this couldn't be further from the truth. It has become a hobby of mine to train and compete and this includes against and with law enforcement & military.. both current and ex and I know that I am more than capable of handling myself in just about any situation that is thrown at me because I TRAIN for that. Not because I'm Joe Cool and not because I have a badge. How quick anti-2nd amendment people are to forget that law enforcement officers are humans too and I have LOTs of friends at various levels of LE and you would be floored at the % of officers who are what I would consider less than efficient with a firearm or in stressful situations. I've seen enough to know that I'm not wiling to bet my life that one of the 'good ones' will show up in time to save it. Most of the good law enforcement officers also agree that they would rather show up to a shootout than a massacre. There was a time not all that long ago when concealing a firearm wasn't illegal and it's funny how as a society we've come to demonize it even though the crime rate has increased in just about every instance where firearms have successfully banned.

Keep in mind that laws only apply to the law abiding. Everything that a citizen could do with a firearm that is potentially dangerous is against the law anyway but that doesn't seem to matter to criminals so why create even more laws which server only to restrict the law abiding citizens?

Bottom line is BOTH sides want the same thing. We BOTH want fewer innocent people harmed by the use of firearms. One side happens to use reality and facts to state that the decrease in firearms laws serves to lower crime rates. The other side lives in a fantasy world where simply creating a few more laws to add to the already 20,000+ firearm laws will somehow make a thug less likely to shoot an innocent person. You don't make the streets safer by punishing the law abiding you make the streets safer by punishing the criminals. This means actually convicting criminals who are caught red handed committing violent crimes with a firearm and exponentially increasing the amount of punishment that they currently receive. That's all that criminals understand. As it stands they barely get a slap on the wrist so it's not a deterrent. Get them off the streets and the streets will be safer. We turn them loose too soon and they're back on the streets doing the same thing now with the knowledge that they don't get punished for doing dirt. The way you make the streets safer is to lower the control on the law abiding and increasing control on those who actually break the laws that already exist. More laws serve to only punish the law abiding.

Don't believe me? Ask the residents of Chicago who's population has dropped 200,000 over the last several years since the crime rate is sky rocketed in direct relation to the 'successful' banning of firearms within city limits. The crime rate is out of control to where they were asking for the national guard to come help them get things under control. What is the national guard but citizens carrying firearms who train occasionally on how to properly use them? Sounds like you should just let your citizens legally protect themselves from thugs and the problem will be solved. Taking away firearms from the law abiding serves only to make an unarmed populace ripe for crime. There are several other examples to cite but this is the most recent that's close to home for all of us proving it can and does happen even here in the US.

 

[droiduzr2]

1. 10/10 times i am aware of my surroundings and don't put myself in a position to get robbed.

2. i guess you've never been to a defensive pistol class

So if you are 100% perfect then you don't need a gun then because as you stated 10/10 times you are aware and don't put yourself in a negative position.

Let's arm everyone and provide them with unlimited ammo and cocaine too. That will solve the problem given just a bit of time.

Can you guys push for a law to allow you to place landmines around your homes too?

 

[OstrichSaK]

Let's arm everyone and provide them with unlimited ammo and cocaine too.

Really? This is your stance? Someone has seen too much Scareface because not everyone who owns a firearm is high on nose candy. Isn't cocaine against the law? By your argument nobody should do cocaine since there's laws making it illegal, right? How'd that work out? This statement only serves to make you look foolish and does nothing to help your cause.

 

[droiduzr2]

You will NEVER hear this in the media but the rate of "improper use of a hand gun from registered users" is so low it almost doesn't exist. In Tennessee it like .01%

I will be getting mine soon.

I hope your state gets it. It will mean LOWER CRIME RATES. Always does yet the media will not report this.

So the second most powerful man in the free world at the time Dick Cheney almost killed his hunting partner. He shot him in the face or something of the nature.

So if the #2 guy could not handle his firearm you are asking the rest of us to trust the other 99.99% of the people.

All drivers pass a driving test yet we still have accidents and deaths every second on the roads.

 

[OstrichSaK]

So the second most powerful man in the free world at the time Dick Cheney almost killed his hunting partner. He shot him in the face or something of the nature.

So if the #2 guy could not handle his firearm you are asking the rest of us to trust the other 99.99% of the people.

All drivers pass a driving test yet we still have accidents and deaths every second on the roads.

The #2 guy? Really? That's what you're going with? Wow, you are SO educated on the topic when you go to the vice president of anything to prove your point.

You can't compare driving tests because it's not a constitutional right, it's a privilege yet everyone EXPECTS to get to drive as though it is some sort of a right and a select few think that the constitutional right can be regulated out of existence. You know how many people are killed each your by automobiles compared to firearms? Bringing up driving only hurts your point.

 

[droiduzr2]

The #2 guy? Really? That's what you're going with? Wow, you are SO educated on the topic when you go to the vice president of anything to prove your point.

You can't compare driving tests because it's not a constitutional right, it's a privilege yet everyone EXPECTS to get to drive as though it is some sort of a right and a select few think that the constitutional right can be regulated out of existence. You know how many people are killed each your by automobiles compared to firearms? Bringing up driving only hurts your point.

I can care less what you think. I live in a society where people are smarter and have evolved. Guns and Ammo are not our focus.
btw- please copy and paste the FULL line of the Constitution (2nd Amendment).

Please tell us that the purpose is for a Civilian to have a Tech 9 or Uzi? I don't see many bears or deers riddled with bullet holes...not the gun of choice for hunters.

carry on living your life in fear...buy a bigger gun for all I care, hell you should have the right to walk around with an RPG...hmm
Is it legal to walk around with an RPG?

 

[droiduzr2]

Really? This is your stance? Someone has seen too much Scareface because not everyone who owns a firearm is high on nose candy. Isn't cocaine against the law? By your argument nobody should do cocaine since there's laws making it illegal, right? How'd that work out? This statement only serves to make you look foolish and does nothing to help your cause.

uhm, I don't have a cause, you do.
You are here trying to drum um support for your gun culture.
What's the old saying, live by the gun, die by the gun.

Oh, so don't you think criminals will evolve to get past your gun. If someone wanted to rob you then I just run you down with a stolen car. Education is the way to create a low crime society along with opportunity. If you spent the amount of money that is spent on debating guns etc... and put that money into creating better schools then I think the country would be much better off but then again that puts the NRA almost out of business...right??

 

[droiduzr2]

I really don't know why Europeans or who ever get in debates with Americans. They have absolutely no idea what is going on in the states other than watching the news. They wouldn't last 5 minutes in one of the worst parts of Memphis, TN or Gary, Indiana, or Camden, New Jersey. They should just continue on living in there bubble.

Might I suggest the you reread what you just wrote.
You just proved their point.

So they live in a society that is free and safe and you are proving their point by telling them how bad your area is and why you need guns. Yup, I will pick their bubble to live in.

You do realize that most of those countries/society's are hundreds to thousands of yours older than the US. They are trying to impart learned experiences and knowledge to help you avoid their past mistakes as they evolved.

Have you been to another country?
Have you been to Europe?
A lot of them have visited here therefore they can compare and contrast. Have a look at the stats for where the US ranks in term of Education...I will help you...towards the bottom of the list.

 

[droiduzr2]

Is it illegal to carry a flame thrower?
If so then why not?

 

[EarlyMon]

You do realize that most of those countries/society's are hundreds to thousands of yours older than the US. They are trying to impart learned experiences and knowledge to help you avoid their past mistakes as they evolved.

Well, I've traveled worldwide and extensively, so I'd like to respond.

Precisely because of their cultural and historical differences, little translates from one culture to another sometimes.

As for the evolution of Europe - please. No one has a cinch on societal evolution, here, there, or elsewhere.

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And I would remind all parties involved in the debate to re-read Slug's post at the top of this page - forum rules are in effect, no matter how impassioned anyone is regarding their beliefs.

 

[EarlyMon]

Is it illegal to carry a flame thrower?
If so then why not?

The point of this hypothetical, like the point of owning your own nuke farm earlier in this thread is quite lost on me, personally.

Are you saying you would like to carry a flame-thrower? That you would like to see others carrying flame throwers?