Steve Job's didn't have to die???? (Sad)

[Steven58]

Article by Harvard doctor. This saddens me deeply.


Steve Jobs didn't have to die.

That's the claim being made today by a Harvard doctor who says the Apple founder waited too long to get treatment and doomed himself to an "unnecessarily early death."

Dr. Ramzi Amri, a respected cancer researcher at Harvard Medical School, says Steve Jobs was diagnosed with a mild form of pancreatic cancer that is rarely fatal. But instead of having life-saving surgery immediately after he was diagnosed, he stalled for nine months, opting for "alternative treatments" instead, like going on a special diet.

"Had Mr. Jobs had the cancer surgically removed immediately, he may well have survived with no residual side effects," said Dr. Amri.

By the time Jobs agreed to surgery and the tumor was removed, it was too late.

Dr. Amri said, "Mr. Jobs opted to dedicate his time to Apple as the disease progressed, instead of opting for chemotherapy. In my series of patients, the survival rate was as high as 100%."

The stunning revelation comes on the day Steve Jobs's latest innovation, the iPhone 4S, is officially available in stores. Thousands of devoted fans are lined up around the country hoping to get their hands on one. He may have died too soon, but clearly, his legacy lives on.

A YouTube clip shows how Steve Jobs has changed all our lives, and for all ages. In the video, a 1-year-old girl plays on an iPad. Then she flicks through a print magazine trying to slide the images in the magazine just like on an iPad.

 

[SUroot]

It makes me cringe that people still go for "alternative" treatment in serious cases like this. Alternative treatment is largely what evolved into modern medicine.

If I wanted to get some info off the net and e-mail it someone whilst on the move, I wouldn't be pulling this out of my pocket:

The amount of technology Steve was exposed to, I'm.surprised at his decision

 

[A.Nonymous]

I'm not a medical doctor and I certainly don't have access to Jobs medical records so I'm in no position to make a claim one way or the other. I will say that I have seen people literally die on alternative treatments while refusing traditional methods.

 

[Dark Jedi]

Even having it removed don't mean your cured.

 

[Steven58]

Even having it removed don't mean your cured.

Apparently it would have meant a cure in his case. I want to cry. How sad.

 

[IOWA]

Apparently it would have meant a cure in his case. I want to cry. How sad.

Terrible news indeed. But this just goes to show he truely walked the walked and wasnt all show.

 

[Bnice]

Well no one knows for sure but I watch his Stanford commemorative speech the other day and I just get the feeling he knew he wasn't going to live long..

 

[SUroot]

Well no one knows for sure but I watch his Stanford commemorative speech the other day and I just get the feeling he knew he wasn't going to live long..

I have read / seen in dramatised TV etc that some people know / feel the end is coming. He lived with it for many years but eventually he would have started to feel what was happening.


I cant believe he stayed on doing his job so long. If it were me, I would have tried to have as much time with my family and friends as possible.

 

[ScorpDX]

Ever had or been around someone going through Chemo? Seen how it affects a body?

Some people choose to live a comfortable 6 months instead of a miserable hell for 12 months with no certain outcome!

 

[IOWA]

Ever had or been around someone going through Chemo? Seen how it affects a body?

Some people choose to live a comfortable 6 months instead of a miserable hell for 12 months with no certain outcome!

12 Months? Try a lifetime. My little brother had cancer, and if it wasn't for that chemo therapy he'd be dead right now. Did he regret it? Hell no.

All this despite the lifetime residual affects and the uncertainty of the treatment.

 

[ScorpDX]

12 Months? Try a lifetime. My little brother had cancer, and if it wasn't for that chemo therapy he'd be dead right now. Did he regret it? Hell no.

All this despite the lifetime residual affects and the uncertainty of the treatment.

I just picked numbers. My point was that sometimes it doesn't end that way. Sometimes you die. Some people opt to enjoy the shorter time they have than to suffer to live a little longer.

 

[IOWA]

I just picked numbers. My point was that sometimes it doesn't end that way. Sometimes you die. Some people opt to enjoy the shorter time they have than to suffer to live a little longer.

Speaking from personal experience... having any type of cancer is nowhere near comfortable... chemo or not.

 

[330D]

That article is from a very well respected news source.

I only have experience with one type of pancreatic cancer. It was ugly. There is like a 2% chance of surviving that kind. And some of the best treatments are not chemo, they are very non traditional. They have way higher rates of success in shrinking the tumors than traditional medicinal treatments.

We put way too much Faith in Western medicine. We are over medicated. As a society we believe that there should be a cure for every ailment. What happens when that is the case? Overpopulation isn't already a problem?????

I'm not here to rain on anyone's parade, but everyone dies. Even geniuses. And it is sad, but life goes on. Why second guess his decision on treatment? It was HIS decision alone. He knew the risks and rewards far better than any of us could ever speculate.

 

[Steven58]

That article is from a very well respected news source.

I only have experience with one type of pancreatic cancer. It was ugly. There is like a 2% chance of surviving that kind. And some of the best treatments are not chemo, they are very non traditional. They have way higher rates of success in shrinking the tumors than traditional medicinal treatments.

We put way too much Faith in Western medicine. We are over medicated. As a society we believe that there should be a cure for every ailment. What happens when that is the case? Overpopulation isn't already a problem?????

I'm not here to rain on anyone's parade, but everyone dies. Even geniuses. And it is sad, but life goes on. Why second guess his decision on treatment? It was HIS decision alone. He knew the risks and rewards far better than any of us could ever speculate.

This cancer was rare and 100% curable if caught and treated early. It was not the killer kind. My mother died from that.

 

[chrlswltrs]

1. Steve Jobs was an amazing man and changed the world. Everyone that has an Android phone only has one because of Steve and the iPhone and iPod saving apple. I have a great respect and admiration for Steve Jobs.

2. Medicine is always advancing. Personally I hope that the government stops getting in the way of it. This is my personal rant... My daughter has crohn's disease and just got out of the hospital yesterday. In America the disease is "not curable" but in other countries it can be cured using stem cells. The government has no place preventing science and medicine. If I had something wrong with me and there was a new treatment I would try it.

 

[SUroot]

Some people choose to live a comfortable 6 months instead of a miserable hell for 12 months with no certain outcome!

I assume you're talking to me, although its got nothing to do with what I'm saying.

In case you are:

Treatment or cure, no amount of green tea is going to give a comfortable life. I completely.understand the decision of living comfortably but modern medicine is still the best way to go.

That is not the case here either, he went for alternative then went for modern. He didn't make the choice you are talking about

This is my personal rant... My daughter has crohn's disease and just got out of the hospital yesterday. In America the disease is "not curable"

I know, my Auntie has it too. Numerous operations to remove parts of her intestine. They pretty much just keep her on steroids. She's "comfortable" most of the time.

 

[A.Nonymous]

The problem with many (if not most) alternative medicines is that they're hardly new or innovative or "untried by science". They are what passed for treatment hundreds of years ago when mortality rates were much, much higher than they are now and medicine was in it's infancy. They have been tested by science and found to be wanting. People die every day because they reject treatments that are 100% proven and embrace treatments that are 100% proven to be ineffective.

 

[Pitamakan]

My only response to that article is how extraordinarily unprofessional the "Harvard doctor" was. He certainly never examined Mr. Jobs, nor did he see his full medical records -- so he's in absolutely no position to judge. The guy is just attention-whoring.

 

[mikedt]

Ever had or been around someone going through Chemo? Seen how it affects a body?

Some people choose to live a comfortable 6 months instead of a miserable hell for 12 months with no certain outcome!

That's exactly how my mum died, she had cervical cancer. She declined chemotherapy treatment, as she knew how chemotherapy can affect the body and is not always successful, as she had been a nurse all her life. She didn't tell anyone that she had the cancer. She died happy while having a good time on holiday. I respect her for that.

 

[mikedt]

It makes me cringe that people still go for "alternative" treatment in serious cases like this. Alternative treatment is largely what evolved into modern medicine.

The amount of technology Steve was exposed to, I'm.surprised at his decision

Steve was a Buddhist though, which could be why he went for the 'alternative treatment' and dedicated his remaining time to Apple. AFAIK one of the beliefs of Buddhism is death and rebirth of the body, and the consciousness is eternal.

 

[Frisco]

My only response to that article is how extraordinarily unprofessional the "Harvard doctor" was. He certainly never examined Mr. Jobs, nor did he see his full medical records -- so he's in absolutely no position to judge. The guy is just attention-whoring.

You've go it backwared, Pitamakan.

If the doctor who made those remarks had personally examined Steve Jobs, then he would have been acting less than professionally by publicly stating the issues involved in Mr. Jobs' death (Google "HIPAA").

More needs to be pointed out wrt diagnosed patients who refuse proven medical procedures and medications in favor of perceived "remedies" that so often result in exactly what Dr. Amri is concerned about: a rapid and fatal progression of a disease otherwise successfully treated.

 

[Pitamakan]

You've go it backwared, Pitamakan.

If the doctor who made those remarks had personally examined Steve Jobs, then he would have been acting less than professionally by publicly stating the issues involved in Mr. Jobs' death (Google "HIPAA").

More needs to be pointed out wrt diagnosed patients who refuse proven medical procedures and medications in favor of perceived "remedies" that so often result in exactly what Dr. Amri is concerned about: a rapid and fatal progression of a disease otherwise successfully treated.

Not at all ... those remarks would have been extraordinarily unprofessional either way.

The doctor simply doesn't have the details he needs to make that judgement accurately -- and if you look at his statement from an advocacy perspective it would be just as reasonable to accuse him of giving false hope to cancer patients whose condition really isn't curable. And that's just as cruel.

 

[Frisco]

Pancreatic cancer has one of the highest mortality rates of the cancers because it is seldom diagnosed before rapid growth of the tumor(s).. but early on in some localized types of that cancer, once diagnosed, the tumor can be surgically removed.

Mr. Jobs opted out of that surgery in favor of other remedies which had no effect on the growth of the tumor which could have been removed due to his very early diagnosis. I'm still not sure what other procedures he may have consented to, but what ever they were he should have allowed it much much sooner, is the contention of Dr. Amri (and no need to put Harvard Doctor in quotes, Dr. Amri is one of the best in his field and is a Fulbright Scholar, which neither of us are ).

Mr. Jobs was among the few, very few, who have it diagnosed at a stage which is very responsive to medical treatment.

 

[ashykat]

Pancreatic cancer has one of the highest mortality rates of the cancers because it is seldom diagnosed before rapid growth of the tumor(s).. but early on in some localized types of that cancer, once diagnosed, the tumor can be surgically removed.

Mr. Jobs opted out of that surgery in favor of other remedies which had no effect on the growth of the tumor which could have been removed due to his very early diagnosis. I'm still not sure what other procedures he may have consented to, but what ever they were he should have allowed it much much sooner, is the contention of Dr. Amri (and no need to put Harvard Doctor in quotes, Dr. Amri is one of the best in his field and is a Fulbright Scholar, which neither of us are ).

Mr. Jobs was among the few, very few, who have it diagnosed at a stage which is very responsive to medical treatment.

It wasn't just the stage it was in that would've made it highly operable, it was the specific type of pancreatic cancer. My mother in law died from pancreatic cancer and it was absolutely horrible, but she didn't have the rare type Steve had. She survived three years as a medical trial she was able to get in seemed to improve things a lot for a while before declining again. It's very sad he chose to put off traditional treatment. And it's also too bad that none of us really know what his reasons were to do so.

 

[SUroot]

The problem with many (if not most) alternative medicines is that they're hardly new or innovative or "untried by science". They are what passed for treatment hundreds of years ago when mortality rates were much, much higher than they are now and medicine was in it's infancy. They have been tested by science and found to be wanting. People die every day because they reject treatments that are 100% proven and embrace treatments that are 100% proven to be ineffective.

Precisely what I was trying to say...

Steve was a Buddhist though, which could be why he went for the 'alternative treatment' and dedicated his remaining time to Apple. AFAIK one of the beliefs of Buddhism is death and rebirth of the body, and the consciousness is eternal.

Well if it is down to religious belief, fair enough. I don't question the faith of others