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Help Stop forced lollipop Update (want to stay @4.4.4)

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bucknasty

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Verizon has just TRIED to push lollipop update to my turbo OTA without MY APPROVAL. I stopped it hopefully by powering off the phone, and wiping the system cache. Cache is still being wiped, so guess I will find out if that stopped the FORCED update. Again, I have answered over and over "NO THANKS".

I don't want 5.1.1. too many problems, Phone is not rooted, how do I keep from getting this 5.1.1 update forced onto me again? I am happy with my great battery life, turbo charger that works.

Doing a factory WIPE and re-install is NOT a fix to me. If android had the ability to backup all my settings for all my apps then OK. This is not the case as we all know. you lose all your custom settings with wipe and restore.

Thanks
 
The OTA is pushed onto your phone and then they ask permission to install it. Don't grant permission. They ask over and over and over and over.

One ideas is to specify update only by WiFi and then NEVER connect to a WiFi router. This will prevent it from being pushed onto your Turbo. I have never tried this.

I have been running 5.1 since it was released without problems. The changes in 5.1 to notifications and security need to be adapted to. Other than that ... update and follow it with a Wipe Cache partition.

I did a Factory Data Reset after the update. I am not convinced that anything is gained in this one by doing so.

... Thom
 
bucknasty said:
Verizon has just TRIED to push lollipop update to my turbo OTA without MY APPROVAL. I stopped it hopefully by powering off the phone, and wiping the system cache. Cache is still being wiped, so guess I will find out if that stopped the FORCED update. Again, I have answered over and over "NO THANKS".

I don't want 5.1.1. too many problems, Phone is not rooted, how do I keep from getting this 5.1.1 update forced onto me again? I am happy with my great battery life, turbo charger that works.

Doing a factory WIPE and re-install is NOT a fix to me. If android had the ability to backup all my settings for all my apps then OK. This is not the case as we all know. you lose all your custom settings with wipe and restore.

Thanks
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It's doing it to me as well, right now actually. Started when I was at work, had to power off the phone because 1) would eat up all the battery and 2) crappy signal/no wifi means it would have run for hours.

I did NOT give it permission, said no every time it popped up (last time was about a week ago) and then today I just happened to look at my phone to check the time and saw that it was downloading a system update. I don't want it, either, and I'm not at all happy that it's forcing it on me.
 
Drat! my wipe cache didn't fix. So no stopping the Nazi's at Vz from downloading it to my phone.

What about stopping the notification alert. Saw you can stop some services and it won't prompt for updating. knowing my luck, I would get hit with all the bugs. rather wait for Android L or is it M?
 
I have a post on here from yesterday about staying on KitKat or upgrading to Lollipop. I was on the fence because of reading about all of the issues. Well, like you, the decision was made for me today and 5.1.1 was installed. I did a cache wipe after the upgrade to lollipop, no FDR, and so far so good. No issues... yet.:confused:
 
Can you tell me how it was "forced on you"? Didn't you have to authorize it to do the install? Did you perhaps "accidently" authorize it? Maybe the message question was displayed when you took it out of your pocket and it accidently got answered?

This could be very helpful to others.

... Thom
 
Thom said:
Can you tell me how it was "forced on you"? Didn't you have to authorize it to do the install? Did you perhaps "accidently" authorize it? Maybe the message question was displayed when you took it out of your pocket and it accidently got answered?

This could be very helpful to others.

... Thom
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In my case, the phone had been sitting untouched on top of my desk for at least an hour while I was working. No one else touched it. Wasn't playing music, nothing at all. I unlocked the phone (swipe only) to send a text and before doing anything, noticed the download icon at the top left. When I went to see what was updating (thinking it was an app), I noticed it was the system update. I absolutely did not authorize it, and the screen it gives you when it asks is very unique - I would have noticed it. The last time it had asked me about updating was about a week ago when I again said 'no thanks' and it reminded me that I could go into system to update when I wanted.

It downloaded, and now it's awaiting install. I plan on ignoring it as long as possible. I hated lollipop on my Galaxy S5, was planning on avoiding it altogether on Turbo.
 
Same. It downloaded on its own for me and I probably hit "yes" or "OK" by accident. It's working fine for me with just the cache wipe afterwards. I was using a device running lollipop prior to this so not much adjusting.
 
Yes there seems to be a little confusion here.

It push the update onto your phone without you doing anything. If you do something that requires it to push it multiple times it will be pushed multiple times without you saying anything.

Then

It asks permission to perform the update using the enormous amount of data it has already forced onto your phone.

You get to say no and it doesn't do the update. It will ask you again in the future and keep asking you until you finally allow it to install.

All this time it is sitting on a fairly large amount of disk space al ready for you to allow the update.

If you don't want to install it ... keep responding that way.

(The only way I have ever heard to suppress the prompt asking for the install was to be root-ed and rename the OTA file that it pushed onto your phone. This is unlikely on the Turbo. It also leaves a large data file on your disk.)

... Thom
 
Thom said:
You get to say no and it doesn't do the update. It will ask you again in the future and keep asking you until you finally allow it to install.

All this time it is sitting on a fairly large amount of disk space al ready for you to allow the update.

If you don't want to install it ... keep responding that way.

... Thom
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LOL because that's not at all irritating. Ugh, I wish you could just say NO and have it leave you alone until you go into system and actually make the choice to do it.

Thanks for all the feedback, guess I'm just going to have to bite the bullet. It's 23.11.39 which I've read is fairly stable, and I'll do the wipe cache partition after it's done. Hopefully I don't experience the issues that others have (or, God forbid, the crap I dealt with on the Galaxy S5).
 
There is a logic behind forcing people into upgrading. This reduces the number of releases that have to be maintained at the same time and the goal is to reduce it to one to keep the maintenance cost down.

5.1 is very stable. I am not aware of these problems you are referring to. I think you may be referring to 5.0 and the Turbo thankfully skipped that fiasco and went from 4.4.4 to 5.1.

... Thom
 
No, it was forced. I have been answering "No thanks". This time I was not even given the prompt. So I downloaded it, disabled the MotoOTA app that keeps hounding you to install. Lolli will sit on my phone till Android M is released. Maybe Moto will get the upgrade process fixed. by then.
 
Anybody who doesn't want an update, let this phone be your lesson. Verizon wants you to have the update, and the software update process is designed to be updated when updates are available. In many/most cases, this is to correct security flaws.

Apple iPhones will download updates but don't force you to take them. I'm not sure about Windows phones - maybe it's the same. Of course nonsmart feature phones can remain on current software. But, almost every mainstream android phone that you buy from a carrier will do all that it can do to install the update.

Keep that in mind when you buy your next phone.
 
I'm not sure what "force you to take them" means. In this case (and every other since the Bionic) the update code is pushed onto the phone and then it asks permission to install it.

You can not grant permission. It will ask multiple times. An argument could be made that it should only ask once. It currently doesn't.

From what I have read ... 5.0 was problem after problem ... Verizon/Motorola did not inflict it on the Turbo. I have had no problems with 5.1. It is different from 4.4.4. It has changes in appearance, notifications, and security. I have not encountered a bug. Just install 5.1 and then Wipe Cache Partition. (I later did a Factory Data Reset and am not convinced that it is needed for this one. Time will tell.)

... Thom
 
Thom said:
Yes there seems to be a little confusion here.

It push the update onto your phone without you doing anything. If you do something that requires it to push it multiple times it will be pushed multiple times without you saying anything.

Then

It asks permission to perform the update using the enormous amount of data it has already forced onto your phone.

You get to say no and it doesn't do the update. It will ask you again in the future and keep asking you until you finally allow it to install.

All this time it is sitting on a fairly large amount of disk space al ready for you to allow the update.

If you don't want to install it ... keep responding that way.

(The only way I have ever heard to suppress the prompt asking for the install was to be root-ed and rename the OTA file that it pushed onto your phone. This is unlikely on the Turbo. It also leaves a large data file on your disk.)

... Thom
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Verizon allows you to 'respectfully decline / postpone' a few times, and then forces the DL. to the best of my knowledge, one must be rooted to avoid forced VZW upgrades, and freeze FWUpgrade and SDM 1.0 (I've used Titanium Backup +). I seem to recall that renaming those two files will also work.EDIT: this was my experience on my VZ S5
 
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Thom said:
I'm not sure what "force you to take them" means. In this case (and every other since the Bionic) the update code is pushed onto the phone and then it asks permission to install it.
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It is my understanding (and I have never tested this, because I have always installed updates as soon as they are available) eventually the phone will install the update, even if you have asked it to postpone the install another 24 hours. Eventually the install process stops asking and proceeds with the install.

I have read about this behavior multiple times, but, as I said, I have never tested it myself.

With the current "Stagefright" exploit, as well as any other future software security exploits, you will only get patches to fix those issues if you stay on current software. It seems unwise to me not to have the latest software running.
 
Semantics seem to be an issue here. Believe it or not, I'm still running Ice Cream Sandwich on my RMHD as I never allowed the INSTALL of KitKat, Jellybean, Lollipop, or anything else. It asked me for 6 months to install the pushed system updates, and finally gave up on me LOLOLOL as it apparently just quit asking and got tired of me closing the door. My RMHD is still running ICS like a champ and all my apps work fine since I still use it on WiFi (no mobile data). I still get email, FB, Pandora, Twitter, etc., and frequently Bluetooth it to my speaker to save the battery on my Turbo. I too rec'd the LP push download...that part I agree there's nothing you can do about. Semantics comes in here...far as I can tell, you don't have a choice on the DOWNLOAD, but you can delay the INSTALL, as I have done on my TURBO since I like KitKat. The push came this morning as I awoke to it downloading. I powered off and on again, and a notif said there was a new system update to INSTALL. I did a cache wipe and the notif went away and has not come back yet. As I did on my RMHD, I'll live with this update piggybacking on my phone without installing it, and wait for M. It is sad, IMO, that the droid/google/VZ juggernaut has successfully hijacked consumers ability to decide and control how to setup and run their own smartphone and apps, which is why I chose this rout vs the iphone. Losing control over basic functions was a huge turnoff with apple products for me, but looks like droid/google has become way more efficient at it. Data collection has trumped privacy and personal control.
 
I don't know the answer. I have a customer using a Galaxy S4 and claims the 5.0 update just happened without intervention. She has a tendency to punch buttons faster than you can comprehend. My guess is that she authorized the install and never realized it.

There is confusion. It is pushed onto the device. Some people mistakenly think that is the install. It isn't. It is a two step process. Step 1 just happens. Step 2 requires authorization.

I have yet to see a report from anyone who will state un-categorically that the installation ever started without their approval. By installation I mean step two.

Have you ever taken your phone out of your pocket, hit the power button, and it is displaying an app that you never (intentionally) started? It has happened to me. Accidently hit a button is the only explanation I can think of.

If it was up to me ... it would push the update onto my disk and ask once. I could either install or defer. If I chose defer I would need to go to the appropriate setting and request the installation.

... Thom
 
Hey Thom, no I didn't install anything on my RMHD, the update was pushed and DL'd to it a couple years ago but I never installed. It's still running ICS. The push at the time for RMHD was Jellybean I think, and it downloaded but I had to deny the install when it popped up about every 2 wks. It gave up notifying me to install the update after 6 or 8 months. Yes the 5.1 did DL to my Turbo but I never authorized it to install, and after a few notifs, it gave up on that too, and I'm still running KitKat. I think you're right that inadvertent button pushes are the culprit and NOT a system forced install. Agree, push to internal and ask once, then stop pestering would be my preference too.
 
EarlyMon said:
Wait - OTA = data collection?

I don't think so. :)
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Not sure what you're saying here. OTA has nothing to do with data collection. I was referring to google/android/VZW's tactics to control your phone, pry into everything, and mine as much data from you as possible. Every update seems to escalate and advance this practice.
 
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