• After 15+ years, we've made a big change: Android Forums is now Early Bird Club. Learn more here.

The middle east

Hadron said:
I don't think this was a "bubbling over". Anger and hatred made this possible, but the Hamas attack was clearly a deliberate provocation intended to provoke an extreme Israeli reaction. And Netanyahu, predictably, ignored the first rule of conflict and gave his enemy what they wanted.
Click to expand...
yes that is what bubbled over. the hate. the anger. it seems like every 10 years or so violence erupts because of the emotions. if it is not Hamas, its another group. or if it is not from the Palestinian people, its from Israel.
 
ocnbrze said:
OMG its like talking to a wall.

does anybody else's head hurt?
Click to expand...
What I've said about the word "terrorism" can be boiled down to this: The term "terrorism" is used in so many ways, I do not know what you mean when you say it!

Ture, Dannydet gave a definition. Rob gave multiple definitions (which only shows my point that the term is ambiguous). But you never explained what you mean by that term, you never said which actions you were objecting to. So, if anything, I'd say I'm the one who's talking to a wall.
 
The U.S. is wrong in doing this:

U.S. Vetos UN resolution calling for a humanitarian pause in Israel Hamas War
US vetoes UN resolution calling for humanitarian pause in Israel-Hamas war

and this

The U.S. vetoed a U.N. resolution Wednesday to condemn all violence against civilians in the Israel-Hamas war
US vetoes UN resolution condemning all violence against civilians in Israel-Hamas war

and this

The U.S. prepares troops for deployment in Israel
U.S. Prepares Troops for Potential Deployment to Support Israel

This needs to be handled by the UN. I'm tired of us spending billions of our tax dollars on war.
 
This thread shows why I don't like the word "terrorism" (even if "terrorism" were strictly defined as targeting civilians). What the West did to London, Dresden, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki in WW2: That was far worse any modern terrorist attack! Germany, the US, and the UK, having the most elite militaries of the day, had far more opportunity to stick to military targets then the modern middle-eastern irregulars and insurgents do. Now, that's not the say that the West was necessary wrong to target civilians. That's not the point! The point is: It's hypocritical to imply that a soldier who targets civilians is automatically evil, and then get offended when it's pointed out that the West itself targeted civilians in WW2.

In short: "Terrorist" is a term used to demonize the enemy. It's never applied to your own side, even when the shoe fits.

My take: If you're going to target civilians, there better be a military purpose (e.g. getting Japan to surrender by dropping the a-bombs)! To target civilians, when there's no military purpose, is murder. Actually, it's worse than murder. Japanese brutality in China, during WW2, accomplished nothing but turning the Chinese people against the Japanese forces. In other words: The Japanese forces who brutalized civilians were helping the enemy. Those soldiers were not only murderers, but they were also traitors! They assisted in the Chinese war effort against their own country.

Edit:

By To be clear: When I said, "That was far worse any modern terrorist attack!", I meant "worse" in terms of civilians killed (e.g. nuking Hiroshima killed more people than the 9/11 attacks). As I said, that's not to imply that the West was necessarily wrong to target civilians.
 
Last edited:
Angry Looney Tunes GIF by Bombay Softwares
 
I thought I heard this on the TV, but I googled it to make sure:

....The Gaza Health Ministry said the death toll among Palestinians passed 8,000, mostly women and minors, as Israeli tanks and infantry pursued what Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu called a “second stage” in the war ignited by Hamas’ brutal Oct. 7 incursion.....

Gaza receives largest aid shipment so far as deaths top 8,000 and Israel widens military offensive

I hope it's not true, but if it is it's starting to sound like genocide. What Hamas did was no better.

The whole area is a mess. We need to get out of the middle east and let the U.N. handle it
 
Dannydet said:
Hamas will deliberately keep innocent women and children in their war zones as their "battle tactics". Then show the world how "evil" Israel is...
These people were given 24 to 48 hours notice to leave the area.
This is their "way"....
Click to expand...

I remember hearing Egypt didn't open their border in the south, so where are these 2 million people with their families and kids suppose to go and who's paying for it?

The other problem is Israel won't wipe out Hamas, no more than we wiped out the Taliban in Afghanistan or the Viet Cong in Vietnam. They don't wear uniforms or wear purple hats. They blend right into the general population.
 
Exactly. You can't identify the enemy. What type of army / fighter takes the body of a 22-year-old girl who was abducted and killed, to be paraded naked by Hamas fighters?
Really? How sick are they and to believe western civilization and "infidels" must all be destroyed in the name of their religion?
Isis are no better...
God save us all...
 
Religious warfare makes no sense to me.The Christian Crusaders fought Muslims for like 200 years to free the holy land from Islamic control, and lost. The Muslims were infidels to to the Christian Crusaders. An infidel is anyone who doesn't adhere to a certain religion.

I give up on religion. I don't want to be associated with any religion.
 
Dannydet said:
What type of army / fighter takes the body of a 22-year-old girl who was abducted and killed, to be paraded naked by Hamas fighters?
Click to expand...
Yes, that's hardly acceptable behavior! When the United States Air Force bombed Hiroshima: The soldiers did not land in the irritated city, bring an irritated charred corpse abord, and then fly the corpse back to America to be paraded through the streets.

It's ... regrettable when civilians get targeted in war. Ideally, war would be waged without targeting civilians. But to drag corpses through the streets, especially civilian corpses, is crossing a line! The soldiers who did that ought to be court-martialed, and perhaps hung. Whether that happens will show us what kind of military Hamas is running.
 
Whatever the rights or wrongs of this war, we all know that civilians are being caught in the crossfire (both figuratively and literally)! We're the Android forum. What are things we can do to help those civilians, things related to computers and smartphones and all?
 
Last edited:
Here's something encouraging:

Excerpt from "eSIMs: How Gaza got Vital Connectivity during Communications Blackout" by Rabia Al:

The [Gaza Strip] communications breakdown left over 2 million people isolated, without any contact with each other and the outside world.
Mirna and her sister Yara El Helbawi were among activists around the world who were searching for ways to help restore communications for Palestinians in Gaza. [...] The Helbawi sisters then thought of roaming services. They started with two eSIMs bought from Europe and sent them to two people they knew in Gaza. “Once we confirmed it’s working, we started to call (to check) if some more people would like to get people connected through eSIMs,” Yara told Anadolu in a video call. In just 24 to 48 hours, the sisters received more than 2,000 eSIMs as donations, and they have so far been able to provide more than 1,000 to people in Gaza.
Click to expand...

I'm embarrassed that we didn't think of that. But the important thing is: People out there have figured out how to help civilians, who are caught in the crossfire of this war, maintain their phone and internet lines. During a disaster (man-made or natural): Phone and internet lines are vital tools to save lives!
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom