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The stupidity about banning guns never ends...

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The AR-15 is a fine rifle. However, I don't think it is well suited to home defense unless you are in an isolated area. The rifle has an effective range of about 600-700 yards with a human size target (killing range, not extreme range...I think that is about 1 mile). You won't have any trouble taking down whoever broke in. The problem is that any stray rounds will go through >1 house before they stop. The police will have to check every adjacent house for dead or injured people...not cool.

A shotgun or a pistol is a much better choice unless you happen to live on a ranch or something. Unless of course you can get the Colt 9mm AR variant...kind of hard to find.

A shotgun is much more likely to go through walls (or a door which VP Biden says you should just shoot through the door if you think someone is breaking in) if you are using buckshot or slugs.

Compared to other rifles and shotguns the AR15 is reletavely low power. Ever wondered why people don't hunt deer with an AR15 but use a shotgun? An AR15 simply doesn't have the power to bring down a deer, a shotgun does.

Over penetration is a concern which is why ammunition selection is important. In mine I use 62gr JHP. Maximum energy is transferred to the target and the bullet expands to limit over penetration. The same goes for shotguns. There are different types of ammo designed to transfer maximum energy to the target without over penetration.

A shotgun can not be effectively used by everyone though, it is just too powerful and has too much recoil. An AR15 can be effectively used by anyone.

Not as easy to use as you think: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzEd6MNihlg&feature=youtube_gdata_player

I will agree that a pistol is a good choice, if you have the time and money to train enough with it. Pistols are not as strong or accurate as a rifle no matter how much you train with it though.
 
Even the liberal media eventually admitted the truth after lying for so long. It was brief because the want to keep in line with the liberal agenda to get this gun banned. But, the truth is an AR15 NEVER ENTERED THE SCHOOL!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK8Z5K5M2Dw&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Neither you or I were there. I, however I will take the word of law enforcement over whatever that was that you posted.

And you don't have to scream, I can read just fine.
 
Here's how this works - I have neither the time nor inclination to edit personal attacks out of posts.

How about we either have no more of that, or infractions for disrespectful posting and a locked thread results?

Attack issues, not other members here and please be polite. :)

This warning will not be repeated.
 
There is no reason to buy a Lamborghini instead of a Ford Focus for example other than you find it more enjoyable to drive, so the analogy is perfectly valid. Banning an AR15 is no different than banning Lamborghinis
Great analogy!
I'm not speaking for anyone else...but it is not so much fear...closer to self reliance...knowing that I can protect myself from without having to rely exclusively on police has a certain appeal to me. It is not that I don't like police...they just seem much better at picking up the pieces after incidents and assigning blame than actually preventing crimes from happening.
Hey, I’d rather not have to rely on my local Sheriff’s Office.
You are correct. Police can not prevent crime, they are not everywhere all the time. All they can do is respond after someone calls 911. Then they investigate after the crime has been committed and the criminal has got away.
I wish I understood why no one can understand this.
Guns don't kill people .... people kill people. It sounds like a cliche' at this point, but when someone is killed "by a gun", we don't melt down the gun, we lock up the PERSON that shot the gun.
Great point!
Oh please . . . I am not sure the therapist could or would enter info into a database. There is patient/therapist confidentiality issues to consider.
It would probably violate several privacy laws.
Thats meaningless. I could also state cases where shooters DID have a history of mental illness and had therapists and others who worried about them committing violent acts, yet nothing was ever done and they were able to get a gun.
Then state one where the shooter LEGALLY obtained a weapon.
But again, all you want to do is focus on crimes that couldn't be stopped, while ignoring the ones that could
Right, because more legally guns are used in self-defense.
The fact we can't stop ALL gun crimes does not mean we shouldn't try to stop ANY.
So it’s okay to make us legal gun owners into common criminals?
You don't need a tablet, laptop, or smartphone to browse the web do you? A desktop would be fine. Those things are more enjoyable though.
Nor do you even need a desktop to survive. But good point non the less.
I enjoy shooting my AR15. It will never kill anyone unless someone breaks into my house and that is the gun I grab.
As I am sure that’s the same with most LEGAL gun owners. We must differentiate the legal owners from the illegal ones.
And last time I checked it is titled the Bill of Rights not the Bill of Needs. I enjoy my guns, I am safe with my guns, and they will never kill a person unless they break into my house or I am protecting my life or someone else's life outside my house as a last resort.

If you don't want one fine. I do. Me having one has absolutely zero effect on your life.
Well said.
Do you know where I can legally purchase an assult rifle, because I would love to have one! They have been extremely regulated and next to impossible to purchase or own since the 30's.

Let me enlighten you since you, like so many others don't know what an AR15 is. It is NOT an automatic assult rifle. It is a semi automatic, the same as any other hunting rifle or handgun. It fires 1 bullet each time the trigger is pulled. It has other features which make it easier to use and control like a pistol grip and different fore grips can be added for personal preference. It has an adjustable stock so different sized people can comfortably use it. It functions 100% identically to any other "hunting" rifle. The only people that think an AR15 should be banned and not other hunting rifles are ignorant about rifles. THEY ARE THE SAME GUN, they just look a little different!!!
Too bad the liberal media is portraying it differently.
There are 100,000,000 gun owners in America that will never commit a crime. Why should we all be punished because of an extremely small amount of criminals
Perhaps one of the resident liberals can answer this for me?
It would be no different than banning all Lamborghinis because drunk drivers kill people. No one Needs a Lamborghini, but some people enjoy them and will never hurt anyone with one. I have no desire to ever buy one, even if money wasn't a consideration, but that doesn't mean I am going to argue and say no one should be allowed to have one. There is a much better chance that someone will be killed by a drunk driver than killed by a gun. Let's ban all the scary looking cars that function exactly the same as other cars!!
I had a very similar argument with someone the other day. Besides, I am sure that cars kill more people than guns. Perhaps next we will ban all cars?
We're going back in circles here though because a Lamborghini is not designed to kill, a gun is and has no other really useful purpose.
A gun is NOT designed to kill people.
In all fairness, people don't exactly sit around and say, "Man, I'd love to kill Joe Schmoe today, but I can't get a gun. Guess I won't kill 'im after all." People just go get a knife, or a club, or some rat poison instead.
Nor do they think about what sort of punishment they will get.
Liberals know all too well that this same style of disinformation and uninformed hubris practiced by the Bush administration to get the US to start Gulf War II as the aggressor was criminal. But now they're using exactly the same dishonest rhetoric to drive through their agenda. Well it's not magically OK when your side does it! Those kinds of tactics are wrong, wrong wrong and there are no exceptions.
Except the CIA told President Bush that Iraq had WMD’s, whereas there was no AR15 used at Sandy Hook.
You keep saying that an AR 15 wasn’t used at Newtown, but you are wrong.
Once again, very wrong.
http://m.jacksonville.com/news/prem...rmation-over-sandy-hook-shooting-wont-go-away

Even the liberal media eventually admitted the truth after lying for so long. It was brief because the want to keep in line with the liberal agenda to get this gun banned. But, the truth is an AR15 NEVER ENTERED THE SCHOOL!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK8Z5K5M2Dw&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Wow, I am surprised that the liberal media even said that.
Neither you or I were there. I, however I will take the word of law enforcement over whatever that was that you posted.

And you don't have to scream, I can read just fine.
And once again, proven wrong, and yet tries to say that they are correct, when the evidence says otherwise. And for the record, cops do lie!
And I urge mine not to. There is no proposed law that will save any lives. Lanza failed his background check and couldn't purchase a gun, that didn't stop him. I might be a little more open to more gun regulation if law enforcement even attempted to enforce the current laws and arrested someone for trying to purchase a gun that is legally not allowed to own one. More gun laws will have 0 (zero, no, none, nothing) effect on criminals, only law abiding citizens.
Do people really not understand this?
I haven't heard one singe reason to ban any current firearms.
Nor have I.
Plus, the AR15 has been the focus of a ban since Sandy Hook where one wasn't even used. And please answer this.... If the AR15 is a military assault rifle, weapon of war, etc then why doesn't the military use them?
Ah yes, the magical semi-automatic that was never used at Sandy Hook…when will the liberals grow up? Just out of curiousity, what’s the difference between the AR15 and M16? I was always told one was automatic whereas the other was semi-automatic. Is this correct or not? I believe that they both shoot 5.56mm, but I wouldn’t swear to it.
 
Ok.

Somehow, a whole post devoted to dropping tangential stuff - like Bush and Iraq - was what??

Some kind of joke? Me just kidding?

Or is keeping it up an express violation of the written rules that says that when a subject has been closed, it's closed.

For ongoing disregard of our site rules, this thread is done.
 
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