Where can i get the facts about what ideas were borrowed, copied or stolen that make up the iphone. I hear so much from both sides but i would like to know the cold hard facts. My mate is an ifan and i would like some info to stick it to him about his beloved [ YUCK ] iphone. Only facts that can be cross referenced please
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The truth about iphone
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damewolf13
live~laugh~love
Are you sure you want to do this? Be careful what battles you start.
It might be wiser to let him worship at the Apple alter, while you live in the big wide world of Android.
People get very protective of their iOS.
It might be wiser to let him worship at the Apple alter, while you live in the big wide world of Android.
People get very protective of their iOS.
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TxGoat
Guest
If you could find "cold hard facts" right now then you'd save the courts a lot of time.
I know when the iPhone first came out, most phones were clam-shell none that I could remember had a touch screen, and playing music with album cover information displayed wasn't a feature.
Hearing that Google offered a few million dollars to settle with Apple I think makes Google look guilty. I'm ready to see this lawsuit come to a conclusion.
There were, in fact, a good number of touch screen phones prior to the iPhone, although many used resistive screens instead of capacitive. They also were able to play music and display album art.
IOWA
Mr. Logic Pants
Me. Ask away. I'm pretty stocked with facts, and sources to back them.
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Dark Jedi
Guest
If your friend is a fanboy then nothing you can say or show will change his mind other wise. Why waste your breath on him. Are you ready to risk losing a friend?
IOWA
Mr. Logic Pants
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TxGoat
Guest
Do you have a list of phones that had that tech? I can't even think of many MP3 players that had the album artwork feature around that time.
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Dark Jedi
Guest
Thats with any CEO. Dont you think Microsoft says that about apple and google. Same as google says about all the other 2? So you hate the man becasue he took a company and made it great? To me he did his job as CEO. Like any company would love their ceo to do.
IOWA
Mr. Logic Pants
Truth is ... Apple hasnt invented much of anythin
Drhyde
Android Enthusiast
I could tell you, but the list would be horrifying. Pretty much everything related to iPhone existed in some other form somewhere else. Apple was just the first to put it all into one package. Why Apple thinks they deserve patents for this is beyond me?
If you're really wanting to debate your friend (or argue), ask him why Apple felt the need to copy dozens of features from Android and WP7 for iOS 5. For further evidence, see here:
iOS 5 (Android Rip-Off?)
If you're really wanting to debate your friend (or argue), ask him why Apple felt the need to copy dozens of features from Android and WP7 for iOS 5. For further evidence, see here:
iOS 5 (Android Rip-Off?)
Just a quick search turned up the following handsets. HTC TyTN, Motorola Q, O2 XDA Flame, Samsung Blackjack, and I believe the Blackberry Pearl also could display album artwork, although I never had any of these devices. These were all available in 2006. The first iPhone was released in June of '07.
This site is Android Forums, not DumpOnAnythingNotAndroid Forums. Reasoned debate and discussion is welcome. Rabid invective and hatred most definitely isn't. Any more of it and this topic gets locked.
The issues surrounding the various Apple patent suits have been covered as nauseum in many topics already. These can be uncovered using the forum search tool. By all means ask for clarification but please stick to the facts as per the topic title.
The issues surrounding the various Apple patent suits have been covered as nauseum in many topics already. These can be uncovered using the forum search tool. By all means ask for clarification but please stick to the facts as per the topic title.
zuben el genub
Extreme Android User
Original Palm Treo. You had to use a stylus for graffiti. It was GSM and could also run Palm software. 2003
Bob Maxey
Android Expert
The Web. No shortage of 'who stole what' posts on the web.
Seriously, facts are no longer the beloved facts I grew up with. Most people proclaiming Apple stole this and that are clueless as heck. First, you need to be a good researcher. Then, you need to spend months searching the patents and other resources.
You would be better off forgetting about "sticking it to him."
You are, in my considered opinion, just wasting your time.
I will bet this thread is closed because it is just a bunch of bitter seeds growing BS trees.
zuben el genub
Extreme Android User
I still have a working Sony Clie UX-50. This was at least the equivalent and more of the Ipod. It had wifi, so you could buy music from other places, movie camera, still camera, web browser. It also had a qwerty keyboard so you could actually work a spreadsheet or office document. It had a resistive type touch screen. (stylus)There were also all kinds of accessories for it, including speakers. We had ACT on all the office Palm devices and could sync. It was around before the Ipod.
I'm not claiming that Apple stole the idea, but what would infuriate me is if the Clie or the more advanced Palm devices were banned since Apple patented the usage with the Ipod. (people still buy them for certain usage) That as far as I see it is the problem with Apple. Now MS wants a closed system, too, and will probably get it.
I'm not claiming that Apple stole the idea, but what would infuriate me is if the Clie or the more advanced Palm devices were banned since Apple patented the usage with the Ipod. (people still buy them for certain usage) That as far as I see it is the problem with Apple. Now MS wants a closed system, too, and will probably get it.
OfTheDamned
The Friendly Undead
Did other companies have touch screens before the iPhone? Palm, HTC, LG, Sony and Samsung all had touchscreen devices before the iPhone. Did Apple invent the idea or concept of "slide to unlock"? No, it was on Windows CE devices back in 2005 and was first seen on a phone in the Neonode N1 (something like that), but Apple was issued the patent for it. Was the software for the iPod stolen from Creative? Yes and they settled with Creative over the theft. This actually may have been the starting point of Apples new road of litigation for all. Did the design of the iPhone already exist in the form of an LG phone called the Prada before the iPhone came out? Yes, the LG Prada (2007) and the iPhone look very similar and if the roles were reversed then LG would probably be facing litigation. Does Apple take ideas from app developers and jailbreak developers? Yes, but so does Google and everyone else. Did Apple take the new notifications panel from Android? Yes, of course they did. Will anything I have listed change your friends mind about the iPhone, Apple, Google or Android? Highly doubtful. He likes his device and you like your device. Arguing with anyone about which device is better is a waste of time. You could (possibly) prove that 80% of the iPhone and iOS were stolen from other companies or idividuals, but what purpose does it serve? The only thing you've really done is spent a lot of time and probably money on research for your friend to say, "Eh, I still like my iPhone better."
Apple is an amazing marketing company and they do that better than any other tech company on the face of the planet. They do it better than Google and part of Google actually is a marketing company. They could probably sell ice to Eskimos if they really wanted to. While they may not have invented all these great and "magical" things that they sometimes claim to, people who understand it have to give them some credit. Even though they didn't invent it, they did bring it to the general public and make it main stream. They made people believe that they needed this technology and that not having it would make their lives poorer overall. Look at the "If you don't have an iPhone." commercials. We all know that everything in those commercials is available on Android, but the general public doesn't know it. We know that it isn't just the iPhone that can use both data and voice at the same time, but the general public doesn't. These are the things that set them apart and even though there will continue to be better phones and Apple will continue to "invent" products that already exist a lot of people still won't care and will still buy an "i" product. Look at the new iPhone 4s. Most people in the tech world went, "Meh." at the announcement, but they sold an absolute ton of them at launch.
There is a smartphone out there fro everyone. Use yours and don't worry about what others use. Fanboys are annoying to everyone.
Apple is an amazing marketing company and they do that better than any other tech company on the face of the planet. They do it better than Google and part of Google actually is a marketing company. They could probably sell ice to Eskimos if they really wanted to. While they may not have invented all these great and "magical" things that they sometimes claim to, people who understand it have to give them some credit. Even though they didn't invent it, they did bring it to the general public and make it main stream. They made people believe that they needed this technology and that not having it would make their lives poorer overall. Look at the "If you don't have an iPhone." commercials. We all know that everything in those commercials is available on Android, but the general public doesn't know it. We know that it isn't just the iPhone that can use both data and voice at the same time, but the general public doesn't. These are the things that set them apart and even though there will continue to be better phones and Apple will continue to "invent" products that already exist a lot of people still won't care and will still buy an "i" product. Look at the new iPhone 4s. Most people in the tech world went, "Meh." at the announcement, but they sold an absolute ton of them at launch.
There is a smartphone out there fro everyone. Use yours and don't worry about what others use. Fanboys are annoying to everyone.
Sorry my bad
Just wanted some ammo cause my good friend is going to give me heaps of crap about the size of my galaxy note.
Not a fan boy. Me and my mate like to give each other shit for fun. He,s gonna give me heaps of crap about the size of my Galaxy Note and just wanted some ammo .
The truth of the matter is in phones and everything else, everybody steals from everybody else. It's silly to make endless lists of who stole what from who because of this. Usually some company comes up with the idea first but it never catches on until another company makes it popular. Then every company uses it. Tabbed browsing comes to mind.
OfTheDamned
The Friendly Undead
Sorry if that came across wrong, I wasn't implying that you were a fanboy. I was just pointing out how irritating people find them. It used to be that people got upset with everyone saying, "Look what my iPhone can do." or "Check out this new app I downloaded." Now I hear, "iPhones suck you should buy an Android." or "Android is better than ________." I think it is pretty irritating either way.