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this is horrible and very sad!!!

Honestly?

The two girls that where attacking, need to be charged with attempted murder and aggravated assault, for each time they came back to attack her.

EVERYONE that stood around needs to be charged with accessory after the fact of attempted murder.

The person that was filming the crime needs to be charged with accessory after the fact and aiding and embedding attempted, because he told the girls to leave before the police showed up.

McDonalds needs to be sued to the for allowing it to happen.
 
RiverOfIce said:
Honestly?

The two girls that where attacking, need to be charged with attempted murder and aggravated assault, for each time they came back to attack her.

EVERYONE that stood around needs to be charged with accessory after the fact of attempted murder.

The person that was filming the crime needs to be charged with accessory after the fact and aiding and embedding attempted, because he told the girls to leave before the police showed up.

McDonalds needs to be sued to the for allowing it to happen.
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I strongly agree!!!
 
McDonalds won't get charged. it wasn't their fault the girl was attacked, and from the video, from a legal standpoint, the manager intervened to try and stop the attack. Now granted he could have been more assertive, there is only so much he can do without catching a case himself.

Now as far as the girls, yeah they should have the book thrown at them. its one thing to beat up on somebody, but to continuously pursue them with physical assault...yeah... go to prison.
 
RiverOfIce said:
Honestly?

The two girls that where attacking, need to be charged with attempted murder and aggravated assault, for each time they came back to attack her.

EVERYONE that stood around needs to be charged with accessory after the fact of attempted murder.

The person that was filming the crime needs to be charged with accessory after the fact and aiding and embedding attempted, because he told the girls to leave before the police showed up.

McDonalds needs to be sued to the for allowing it to happen.
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I agree, that was pretty disturbing.
 
I disagree that everyone standing around should be charged with anything. Nobody is required by law to put their own lives in danger to save another person. That's like saying anyone who doesn't try to stop a bank robbery in progress is an accessory.

Should they have done something? Probably. But by law I don't feel they should be required to.
 
quest7 said:
What does this say, about our future and next generation!?

SHOCK VIDEO: TWO BLACK GIRLS JUMP A BECKYL INSIDE MCDONALDS . . . THEY BEAT HER SO BAD . .. SHE HAD A SEIZURE!!
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Quite sad and I am not surprised one bit or shocked anymore. And that is the real tragedy; that it is just another story, one of thousands and nobody is as outraged as they should be.

Except for those that will spin it in some way to say the white girl said the N-Word or some-such.

I see a big thing coming and I am not sure what it will be. Just it will not be good and it too will be spun. Or perhaps it is just too sad that I no longer care because so much happens these days. You will not live a healthy life if you worry about what goes on because the quantities are just too great.

We are doomed.
 
Perhaps it is time we stop thinking about the ramifications of what could happen if you interfere or do not interfere and simply (in this example) grab the girls doing the beating and stop it no matter what it takes.

If one of them is hurt because they were subdued, tough crap basket. If one pulls a knife, you double up a fist and break the little woman's teeth. Take your chances in court where you will be labeled a violent racist and you go to jail for beating silly a little broad that deserves to be beaten silly.

Too much?
 
Search for"mcdonalds fight" on youtube. You won't believe how many his you get AND you won't believe how people act.
 
lordofthereef said:
But by law I don't feel they should be required to.
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Yes but if you encourage the crime you are guilty of the crime. The video had at least two of them encourage the crime, by taunting the girl and laughing and pointing.

The U.S. criminal code makes aiding and abetting a federal crime itself a crime:
(a) Whoever aids, abets, counsels, commands, induces or procures the commission of an offense, is punishable as a principal.
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Aiding and abetting an attempted murder is accessory after the fact. Anyone that did not come to the aid of the girl or at least called the cops committed the crime.


But given your example. If you had a bank robbery, and a person in the bank started to encourage the act, telling them where the cash is, not calling the police, and filming the crime, it leds to the concept of "guilty mind".

The people in the mcdonalds knew a crime was being committed, but did not want to help or get involved until the girl was seriously injured. By laughing, pointing, commenting, instructing, and commanding the girls to leave, they acted as a conspertor in the crime and there for have a guilty mind which is grounds for accessory after the fact.

Should everyone get charged, no, the person that called police when the crime first happen should not. The people that tried to stop the crime should not.

But those that stood around recording, commenting, instructing, and commanding the attack should be charge.

That is the law.

As for the law suit for mcdonalds, the assault happened on their property, so they are legally liable, that to is also the law.
 
I was merely referring to bystanders, not anyone encouraging anything. Certainly, those encouraging the crime did more than just stand by, right?

Perhaps I felt more was implied with the term "bystander" than there actually was. Apologies if this is the case...
 
Bob Maxey said:
Perhaps it is time we stop thinking about the ramifications of what could happen if you interfere or do not interfere and simply (in this example) grab the girls doing the beating and stop it no matter what it takes.

If one of them is hurt because they were subdued, tough crap basket. If one pulls a knife, you double up a fist and break the little woman's teeth. Take your chances in court where you will be labeled a violent racist and you go to jail for beating silly a little broad that deserves to be beaten silly.

Too much?
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Sure, but this is a moral issue you bring up, not a legal one.
 
I know when I worked at Walmart they said if any altercations came up do NOT lay your hands on the customer. The designated AP (asset protection) people could only do that and even then they'd have to wait till another employee was there for a witness. Sad state of this country, the people who instigate stuff still can sue people who try to break it up.

In this case the video would've acted as the witness so they should've broken it up. If you get hurt trying to help someone, you can sue whoever instigated the situation and created that bad situation in the first place. So those two girls could be held responsible for everything. Yes, if you feel scared and don't want to get involved you can simply stand by, but by instigating and taunting as River said, you can get charged for that.

Also, they are all grown men and an old lady hopped in to break things up before they did. It's really sad how some people are.
 
ParishL31 said:
Also, they are all grown men and an old lady hopped in to break things up before they did. It's really sad how some people are.
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Just so that we are looking at both sides of the coin, that "old lady" might have a better shot in court if they tried to sue her than a grown man going after some twenty-something women. Sure there may be witnesses, but none of them can be forced to testify...

At the end of the day it is easy for everyone to say what they would have done or what should have been done, yet the vast majority of people stand around when soemthing like this happens. Think of all the people that are witnesses to crimes and never come forward. It's not sad, it's self preservation.
 
That's sad, credit to the old lady who made a much more serious attempt at stopping it than the guy did. Sadly, it's the society we live in now. So many people are afraid that if they get involved they will get hurt, sued, or whatever other unpleasant thing. Then there are the people that actually like watching that crap.

It's also sickening that the idiots that just stood there and watched told the girls to leave before the cops showed up.
 
ParishL31 said:
I know when I worked at Walmart they said if any altercations came up do NOT lay your hands on the customer. The designated AP (asset protection) people could only do that and even then they'd have to wait till another employee was there for a witness. Sad state of this country, the people who instigate stuff still can sue people who try to break it up.

In this case the video would've acted as the witness so they should've broken it up. If you get hurt trying to help someone, you can sue whoever instigated the situation and created that bad situation in the first place. So those two girls could be held responsible for everything. Yes, if you feel scared and don't want to get involved you can simply stand by, but by instigating and taunting as River said, you can get charged for that.

Also, they are all grown men and an old lady hopped in to break things up before they did. It's really sad how some people are.
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So the position of Walmart is to wait to break up a beating and only do so when a graduate of the Wallmartian Police Academy is present? Sounds like Walmart wants to protect their Arse more than anything else.

Those grown men and that old lady come from a time when they knew what was right and wrong, I should think.

I think it is dangerous to get involved, but sometimes, it is the right thing to do. I would hate to stand by and do nothing and a death of a young girl is the result from my inaction.

Bob
 
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McDonalds is in a tough spot.

They must tell their employees not to get involved. If they encourage involvement, they must offer some sort of training or when something happens and a McFryboy gets his arse kicked or someone dies because of his involvement, McDonalds must explain why they have a policy of getting involved and why they did not provide training if this was their policy.

The problem is not McDonalds, it is the lower quality of life form running free. Not sure what McDonalds is supposed to do. Kids these days seem to be a tad more violent than in my day, and they like McDonalds. Not sure what new policy McDonalds should put into place to combat McViolence.

We need to cull the herd.

Bob
 
any non 1 on 1 fight should be tried as attempted murder, stop being pussies.

And prosecuted for filming and providing the only evidence? Are you high? Telling them to leave before the cops get there is aiding and abetting? My friend is a bouncer and they are trained to mention police as soon as the fight begins - I do the same thing when there is a fight, it gets the cretins running, and stops the beatings. You aren't aiding the criminal act. I agree everyone could have done more, but there should be no legal ramifications for anyone but the 2 assailants. McDonald's responsible? OK, I'm gonna stop, but river you have no idea the way law works in the US.
 
Bob Maxey said:
So the position of Walmart is to wait to break up a beating and only do so when a graduate of the Wallmartian Police Academy is present? Sounds like Walmart wants to protect their Arse more than anything else.
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It is sad, but they must protect themselves as a large company. You also have to keep in mind, the kind of people that steal and commit such violent crimes in the first place, are the scum bags that will turn around and sue someone in a heartbeat when they get a hand laid on them even though they started it. Yes it is morally bad to have that kind of procedure for a situation, but on a business side it is very smart.

Tempusfugit said:
And prosecuted for filming and providing the only evidence? Are you high? Telling them to leave before the cops get there is aiding and abetting? My friend is a bouncer and they are trained to mention police as soon as the fight begins - I do the same thing when there is a fight, it gets the cretins running, and stops the beatings. You aren't aiding the criminal act. I agree everyone could have done more, but there should be no legal ramifications for anyone but the 2 assailants. McDonald's responsible? OK, I'm gonna stop, but river you have no idea the way law works in the US.
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She wasn't talking about just filming. Just choosing not to get involved and standing by and filming for evidence is not wrong at all.

The problem with them is they were laughing, pointing, encouraging the beating, and in all that instigated more violence. You can indeed get in trouble for that, especially when it's a beating like this.

I do agree the mentioning of cops is not bad though. It'll scare off many and stop fights and get people to leave.
 
It reminds me of what happened in richmond va. Trucker gets involved in a bad wreck and is pinned in his truck. He truck catches fire and risks burning alive. Bystander tries to help the guy. The Trucker says cut my leg off I don't want to die. The guy makes sure its what the Trucker wants. So he cuts the guy leg off. Few weeks later the Trucker sues the guy for making him a cripple and should of never listened to him. I think he even won.

So see its not worth getting involved in matters that don't pertain to you. Don't have a dog in the fight. Stay out of it. Big corporations don't want to waste money on lawsuits and court fees. What do the cops always says don't get involved? If i see something I will call 911. But as long as I don't have family involved. Then not my problem.
 
Dark Jedi said:
So see its not worth getting involved in matters that don't pertain to you. Don't have a dog in the fight. Stay out of it. Big corporations don't want to waste money on lawsuits and court fees. What do the cops always says don't get involved? If i see something I will call 911. But as long as I don't have family involved. Then not my problem.
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Unless . . . it is your daughter being hurt and I say to you, "I decided not to help because I ain't got no dog in the fight." "Too bad she died because of her injuries, but I did not want to be sued." Guess that gets me off your Christmas card list, huh?

Bob
 
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