Thefoodman52
Android Expert
Hmm.... your funny bone seems broken... that or you take everything too literally and failed to catch the humor there...
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Tired of people not acknowledging product flaws.
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As Desi Arnaz said ... lemme 'splain...
I get my stuff from Mexico, but my technology comes from ... etc.
Think about it. Other than illegal aliens, what else is Mexico known for importing?
IOWA
Mr. Logic Pants
Because all of Apple's stuff is made in China? or is it Taiwan?
Rotary
Member
That's why your on this form?
Aiyan
Android Enthusiast
Since it something that happens with everything we do and use. If you think about it, people got favorite teams and thus have fun against the rival team by juggling and singing songs towards the people rooting for the rivals or just the rival team.
You got nations, Norway VS Sweden, Norway VS Denmark. Man, I love both of the countries and people in it, but I still throw jokes and poke fun of them, just as they poke fun of us Norwegians.
Of course, banters and bashing is never fun, but it will always be discussions and talking about x vs y no matter which content.
If you ask SoFlo about cars, I'm very sure he got favorite cars and then cars he jokes about.
Take me, I poke fun of the PS3 community on behalf of my friends that either cross game between consoles or stick with PS3. They all know I enjoy and love gaming, but we always end up having heated discussions about our beloved gaming system. It's not always about what is best, which one is more flawed - what the weaknesses on each is, it's more about what you "connect" the most towards.
Since in the end, we are always FANS of something. It's just matter of how you show it too people around you, I also see you refer to x360/PS3 discussions on this forum. You should check out the PS3 posts/games and you see people who were battering up a certain person there, talking about games they love at PS3 and shows they are gamer.
I also see you had some posts that I disagree with, but this disagreement is exactly what makes up discussions like that.
I have set of views, you have your set of views, other people have their set of views. In the end, it's all about how you show it and demonstrate what you like and don't like. Good thing, there is not much trolling on this forum. There is some minor cases here and there, but usual you got frisky comments and a good giggle, no matter which side they are at.
AndroidSPCS
Android Expert
I see both sides, there are some who will defend a product to the death, and then there are a lot of bashers who bash due to their own ignorance or failure with a product - and blame the product.
Aiyan
Android Enthusiast
Yeah, I agree. Those are usual the worst.
You also got the trolls, that just do it for the giggles. I tried to ignore saying what was already said in this thread. Was some great posts going on here and there.
But as someone said, "Ignorance is a bliss".
miniature45
Member
This should not be the case but it is so, because we have allowed it to happen. Returning a faulty electronic device often comes with the hassle of phonecalls, postage, difficulty speaking to the correct staff member/repeating the problem to many different staff members who don't communicate with each other. We fear being out of pocket and the stress of getting an exchange/refund.
The multinational corporations are taking us at the back end, and we are bending down and taking it.
They are like bullying adults who cause fights among the kids, and we just bitch at each other because our phone is better than thiers of a different manufacturer.
Customers pay good money for products and should not accept inferior, not-fully-working goods. They should have the right to purchase fully working goods and the right to a refund or an exchange, hassle free.
I'm not well up on the law in my country, the UK, but I am sure there must be some law, or act of parliament that says customers have certain rights.
It would be interesting to hear other countries' laws and rules regarding customer purchase.
zuben el genub
Extreme Android User
If everyone would step back and not demand "the newest - RIGHT NOW!" you might get a lot less faulty merchandise.
If Ford puts in a popular innovation - Chevy owners demand it NOW
Iphone does something popular - Android owners - right NOW
Android releases new OS or upgrade - everyone is pissed unless they get it NOW.
Same with Cameras - Nikon and Canon owners get just as vocal.
Nikon puts out a great featured 200mm lens - Canon owners want one from Canon, instantly.
Every mfg is rushed to compete - corners get cut - quality overlooked due to need for speed.
It isn't like food and you are starving. Slow down.
If Ford puts in a popular innovation - Chevy owners demand it NOW
Iphone does something popular - Android owners - right NOW
Android releases new OS or upgrade - everyone is pissed unless they get it NOW.
Same with Cameras - Nikon and Canon owners get just as vocal.
Nikon puts out a great featured 200mm lens - Canon owners want one from Canon, instantly.
Every mfg is rushed to compete - corners get cut - quality overlooked due to need for speed.
It isn't like food and you are starving. Slow down.
miniature45
Member
I do agree, there are people who want the latest products.
I think these people have underlying psychological issues regarding image, but, nah it's just corporate greed.
Advertisements are unescapable now, even subliminal ads, I beleive corporations attitude to customer service over the last decade or two, has sadly been knocked down the priority list, in favour of advertising campain costs and profits.
Just look at all the money the ceo's get its madness.
Bang out loads of substandard products that let us down.
My phone is not the best by far, but it suits me. I like internet on the go, its very handy for loads of reasons. I'm happy with android.
I didn't go out to buy a specific brand, I set out to buy a smartphone that was in my price range that met my requirements.
There is in the UK ... Sale of Goods Act 1979.
Sale of Goods Act 1979
It states that goods offered for sale must be of Satisfactory quality and Fit for purpose, and must be As described.
The United States should have similar consumer protection laws as well.
Caveat emptor(Let the buyer beware), especially when buying cheapo off-brand Android devices from Chinese wholesalers.
Wow.
Way to resurrect a thread.
What's the specific issue??
Way to resurrect a thread.
What's the specific issue??
miniature45
Member
The first post in this thread describes the issue http://androidforums.com/lounge/169867-tired-people-not-acknowledging-product-flaws.html#post4685590Wow.
Way to resurrect a thread.
What's the specific issue??
People with different brand phones critisising brands that they have not got.
The poster mentioned being in the days of not fully working products, but I said this is unacceptable, see my post quoted in the post above yours.
zuben el genub
Extreme Android User
I've never criticized the Iphone as a phone. I've got after Apple for Quicktime which is a PITA. Motorola is in my bad graces for originally charging you $50 for software/ like Kies. (I had Motorola phones and wanted my own ringtones) But not the phones.
People do complain about lousy products. I read TMO forums, and there are plenty who complain about bad phones and bad replacements. Some just want something new, so they say phone is bad. Too many want something for nothing.
However, if the carrier's policy about returns is lousy, people gripe about the phone, sell the phone on Ebay or Craigslist and move on. This dissuades others who see all the bad press from complaining.
Instant gratification is also getting intense. I've seen posts here that are drooling to get the newest phone the minute it comes out. That's fine, but if they are under contract, what do they do about paying full price every 6 months? Are they all that wealthy?
If one product has a feature then other makers of that product feel compelled to get the same feature and rush development.
Most companies have had faulty mdse with this push.
Instant Gratification is ruining almost any product for the millions of users who do wait. It also forces really good products that work to become obsolete.
Also saw a post that explained why YOUR purchase had to be the best. You apparently need to justify the purchase to yourself. In extreme cases, you get fanboys.
People do complain about lousy products. I read TMO forums, and there are plenty who complain about bad phones and bad replacements. Some just want something new, so they say phone is bad. Too many want something for nothing.
However, if the carrier's policy about returns is lousy, people gripe about the phone, sell the phone on Ebay or Craigslist and move on. This dissuades others who see all the bad press from complaining.
Instant gratification is also getting intense. I've seen posts here that are drooling to get the newest phone the minute it comes out. That's fine, but if they are under contract, what do they do about paying full price every 6 months? Are they all that wealthy?
If one product has a feature then other makers of that product feel compelled to get the same feature and rush development.
Most companies have had faulty mdse with this push.
Instant Gratification is ruining almost any product for the millions of users who do wait. It also forces really good products that work to become obsolete.
Also saw a post that explained why YOUR purchase had to be the best. You apparently need to justify the purchase to yourself. In extreme cases, you get fanboys.
Yeah, I did see your reply, I did follow the conversation, and that wasn't the question -
The question was why you believe that the situation from two years ago is still relevant or valid today.
!on
Android Expert
What gets me is the spoilt brat attitude from those who want to burn, castrate & damn to hell the manufacturers who won't unlock their bootloaders. That's despite being able to root & have custom roms & other things. These people want to take away the identity of their phone, & it begs the question "why the hell they did buy that phone in the first place if it offends them that much"?.
Regarding the OP, I'm of the belief that apple, more than anyone, are putting people on forums to discredit other manufacturers. Let's face it, their products are boutique & more expensive, & apple want to keep that money. Money is a class A substance. Honestly I don't see armies of android fanboys / employees attacking apple forums, no real need to do that. But when they come here, I can smell them a mile off. Forum rules dictate that noobs are treated well, so I have to bite my tongue while they preach to us the short comings of android. Some of us are well versed in apple products so we get to see that no product is perfect, just like the OP has said.
If I didn't already have various ipods (& a mac) I'd be well up for an iphone, because of itunes. But I do think apple products are overpriced so I went to android for a phone. I'm loving it. Apple can't take that away from me.
Regarding the OP, I'm of the belief that apple, more than anyone, are putting people on forums to discredit other manufacturers. Let's face it, their products are boutique & more expensive, & apple want to keep that money. Money is a class A substance. Honestly I don't see armies of android fanboys / employees attacking apple forums, no real need to do that. But when they come here, I can smell them a mile off. Forum rules dictate that noobs are treated well, so I have to bite my tongue while they preach to us the short comings of android. Some of us are well versed in apple products so we get to see that no product is perfect, just like the OP has said.
If I didn't already have various ipods (& a mac) I'd be well up for an iphone, because of itunes. But I do think apple products are overpriced so I went to android for a phone. I'm loving it. Apple can't take that away from me.
Speed Daemon
Android Expert
I'm willing to be called names to be able to burn, castrate & damn to hell the politicians who castrated the FCC and created partial anarchy on the air in the US.
The original AMPS phones were the epitome of balance between the desires of the supply side and the desires of the user side. This model could have been used when moving to PCS, and it's a shame that it wasn't.
For those of us who enjoyed the ability to switch carriers at will, without having to jump through gray market hoops have good reason to be critical of the status quo. We know that we can have a better product because we had a better product. Something to think about in this election year.
Bob Maxey
Android Expert
The truth is hard to come by these days. Sure, the net helps, but when you learn to read between the lines, it often becomes clear that the "Facts" posted on some web site are posted by a fanboy, so they cannot be necessarily trusted.
Someone usually finds a web site to "confirm" their all ready made up mind, so the BS is posted and it spreads.
Fact is, be it a PC or Mac or Android device or iPhone . . . they are great products. Not convinced one is better than another, just different.
Nobody forces you to purchase an iPhone and there are dozens of Android phones to choose from. What ticks me off is how Android/Apple users go out of their way to bash a product they will never own.
I have seen those YouTube video drop tests. We do not know how the tests were run or if they tried to break the glass and failed many times before they got the final take they want; that is, an iPhone breaking on the "first" drop. And we do not know how many Android phones also break. Perhaps a few would break the first time they are dropped.
Antenna gate: lots of coverage about this flaw but most users likely never suffered problems. As soon as they read about the problem on the web, they suddenly suffer the same problem. It might be their location or something else.
For all I know, my Triumph is flawed. All I know is the sound quality on almost every Android phone I have tried stinks. I recently borrowed an iPhone and the sound was very good.
Sure, some products are shipped with problems, but in some cases, those problems do not interest the public. It is only after they see a video or read a web site that they decide one device or another sucks and they do not know enough to make a decision either way.
They read that the iPhone is easily broken on some web site and that makes up their mind.
I can tell you that there were plenty of flaws in products we manufactured, like the loveable Palm Pilot. I can tell you that many USR modems suffered certain flaws that were never made public. I can also tell you if you opened up a hundred Megahertz/3Com/USR/MSL modems, you would find lots of horrific looking PC Boards. they often look like monkeys trained by blind children soldered the parts.
Thank God back then, the net was not like it is today or the terrible build quality would kill us dead
No product is flawless, depending on which site you visit. And Androids/iPhones suck, again, depending on which web site you visit
I recently read a story about how crappy a certain model Harley Davidson was because it was not a bullet bike. Is that really a flaw?
Bob Maxey
Android Expert
Apple planting people on forums? No proof of that. And there is no proof that various Android makers are doing the same thing. Some might, who knows.
If I were Apple, the last thing I would do is plant people on forums to pick on Android. I am not sure if that is even legal. It would be a PR fiasco and Apple does quite well as it is, without resorting to such things.
Bob Maxey
Android Expert
That is a good point. My years in product manufacturing taught me that whenever you try to roll out a new product to take advantage of a trend, you can find yourself in trouble.
Like when we built a USR Desktop Modem incorporating an X-Jack.
But that was a different time and there were no smartphones, Google or Android. Everyone that used the Internet was either a tech person or they were on AOL/Compuserve/Prodigy
I recall a comment years ago about how IBM's X-Jack modems were better than Megahertz or USR's versions. They ALL came off the same line and all that changed was certain firmware and installation disks.
Snow Fox has been a member in good standing.
When he started this thread two years ago, it was in context of threads very active at that time.
Today, what's being said is being taken out of that context. Exactly why I asked what the discussion was here.
If anyone has a problem with the lock, drop me a line, my door is always open. Otherwise, the OP won't be answering, maybe a good idea to form a new thread relevant to today's landscape.
Cheers, thanks.
When he started this thread two years ago, it was in context of threads very active at that time.
Today, what's being said is being taken out of that context. Exactly why I asked what the discussion was here.
If anyone has a problem with the lock, drop me a line, my door is always open. Otherwise, the OP won't be answering, maybe a good idea to form a new thread relevant to today's landscape.
Cheers, thanks.
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