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"Topless" Womens Rights?
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hakr100
Android Expert
Wouldn't want to live in a society with such low standards.
You think a society where people have the freedom to choose to be naked, and where others in that society can control themselves enough to treat those around them with respect, is displaying lower standards than one where a person's freedom to be naked is taken away from them because others in that society can't be expected to show self control or respect for others?
I was on a forum once where a bunch of forum members made 'South Park' characters of themselves; some had knives, some guns, some were injecting themselves with drugs, and some had offensive slogans on their characters t-shirts etc etc etc I made a character that was naked, not graphic really, considering I did it MS Paint and it was just a couple of flesh coloured circles added to the standard South Park character and added nipples too! My character was deleted, the others where not.
The reason given for the deletion was that it was too offensive to American values
You're very, very wrong. What an absurd assumption.
You think a society where people have the freedom to choose to be naked, and where others in that society can control themselves enough to treat those around them with respect, is displaying lower standards than one where a person's freedom to be naked is taken away from them because others in that society can't be expected to show self control or respect for others?
I was on a forum once where a bunch of forum members made 'South Park' characters of themselves; some had knives, some guns, some were injecting themselves with drugs, and some had offensive slogans on their characters t-shirts etc etc etc I made a character that was naked, not graphic really, considering I did it MS Paint and it was just a couple of flesh coloured circles added to the standard South Park character and added nipples too! My character was deleted, the others where not.
The reason given for the deletion was that it was too offensive to American values
You're very, very wrong. What an absurd assumption.
And you're the very reason these laws don't exist. People don't know the appropriate times and how to be mature with them.
By 'people', you must mean 'Americans' then; and I think it's a little sad that y'all can't be a little more mature about things.
DaSchmarotzer
Blame it on me
Funny.
My opinion on this is pretty simple. In america, we hide our "private" parts and most people are more than fine with it. I mean, if it's so hot outside wear a tiny bikini top or something. Or if you're at home where no one can see you easily, fine, just walk around naked. And if it's so important for you to walk around topless, well, there are places where it's legal, just find one.
I think most people are happy with the way it is now. I, for example, do not wish for it to change.
HTC-Fandroid
Android Expert
Surely this is why Americans like to vacation in Europe, our beaches are strewn with topless Ladies. Ban topless in the U.S - Protect the European ecomony.
HTC-F
HTC-F
Um, I'll spoon-feed you again. Drawing a naked South Park character with nipples (don't lie, you were trying to be funny) is weird. Posting it on a forum where no one else has done it is just childish. And seeing as how you feel you are the most mature person on the forum, constantly preaching for people to "grow up" and expand their views.
If you truly were as prolific as you feel you are, you'd understand each nation has its own core philosophy. Their own ideology in which to conduct themselves.
Growing up in three countries, the US, Wales, and England, and having my parents from a fourth, this hippie "lets all be naked and be free" shit is no where to be found. Three of those countries are world powers. The don't give a flying F about nakedness.
I don't know where in Europe you are, but it's great you can walk around topless. I, personally, don't see why this is an issue at all.
Boy, we argue about some real dumb things in here. And I just realized that.
WTF are you talking about?
What? a) Lie? I was trying to have a little fun. b) Why would it be weird? Is it really weird to try and have fun??
It wasn't me that started the thread, I just joined in the fun of another thread where lots of members had already had a little fun making silly cartoons.
I do understand that there are differences, but the point I was making about the censorship of the cartoons was that I find it strange that a society would be okay with this:
But find this offensive:
And as for people not running around naked in those countries you mention, do you think that just because something like being naked is legal people are going to do it all the time?
But I respect your view that American men should be protected from the temptation of another person's nakedness because they're likely not to be able to control themselves adequately, and that the limiting of people's freedom to be naked and do no harm to anybody is an acceptable price to pay. Criminalise the innocent to protect the probable criminal.
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Isthmus
Android Expert
Last I checked, other than a genocidal war in the 90's, Rwanda had a history of being relatively stable and no longer had much of a population that dre4ssed as you imply.
Perhaps you can elaborate on your point about standards further? maybe without implying anything about any one particular culture or people?
krouget
Android Enthusiast
Because while it may sound great at first, there are many MANY people who should not be out and about, topless...both men and women.
In all seriousness, though, I couldn't really consider this an 'issue' with any amount of seriousness. It's just too far down on a list of priorities, with regard to women, to be of any real substance on the table of debate. I'm all for supporting equality, but I'm also about being selective in my battles...this just isn't one of them. Even if they did accomplish their motivations, I just don't see it as very progressive at all.
Casbah
Well-Known Member
It's ridiculous to have that kind of law on our books.
I mean WTH difference would it really make except maybe to reduce the "sexualization" of this country some which we need.
If women want to go topless why say they can't? No harm done.
Stupid to even debate and have a law against it.
I mean WTH difference would it really make except maybe to reduce the "sexualization" of this country some which we need.
If women want to go topless why say they can't? No harm done.
Stupid to even debate and have a law against it.
Isthmus
Android Expert
It si worth mentioning that while toplessness is allowed in many parts of this country and is regularly practiced in much of the world, Even in countries where it is common place, most people still throw a shirt on, when not in a situation where toplessness is generally acceptable. I otherwords, at the beach or at a pool, run topless all you want. at the tennis court or at a restaurant, throw on a shirt. Usually its the same standard for men and women, though for men its a little more relaxed.
Very few cultures and groups still obeserve toplessnes or fewer clothing as part of their regular every day routine.
Besides, sunburned nipples have got to be a drag.
Very few cultures and groups still obeserve toplessnes or fewer clothing as part of their regular every day routine.
Besides, sunburned nipples have got to be a drag.
Ethiopians have been the butt of many of my poverty..not jokes but examples, I decided to go for a different country. How about Sierra Leone or rural parts of India?
This is a can't-win topic. My take though is when individual rights become offensive to others, then those rights need to be controlled to some degree. I don't want to stumble upon half-clothed people when I'm out and about with children. Women and men should and do have different rules of personal conduct, and trying to treat everyone the same just doesn't recognize our obvious physical (leading to emotional/sexual) differences.
In an age where there are cameras everywhere and everything gets posted to the internet, I can't see why anyone would be fighting for this right. Whether we like it or not, there's not much interest in bare-chest male uploads on the net at anywhere near the level as females.
In an age where there are cameras everywhere and everything gets posted to the internet, I can't see why anyone would be fighting for this right. Whether we like it or not, there's not much interest in bare-chest male uploads on the net at anywhere near the level as females.
jayjay1122
Android Expert
Very true and some are going to argue that this is because of our sexually repressed society and counter by saying that if we "go topless" it will take the luster off and remove the taboo nature of topless women and pictures of them.
I think we are in a "you cannot unscramble an egg" phase though at this point and asking our society to make a total 180 on this topic is silly. I personally could care less one way or the other, but I see a lot of short term repercussions from going from what we are now to a free for all.
Snow_Fox
Android Expert
Ok guys... I am going to be straight up honest.
I see womens tits more than I would like every day... I work at a local retail store..
And believe me.. if your wearing an old white shirt that has been worn thin its not like anyone in the store is unable to see whats going on.
I see guys who walk in all day with shirts they may as well not even be wearing.. women doing the same.
It is absolutely disgusting. If a woman is mildly attractive and doing it.. I am going to stare... If she is uncomfortable with that.. so be it.
If she is fine with it, well.. there isn't a problem.
Honestly.. the ONLY thing I am worried about in this instance is child pornagraphy issues.. however, I do agree with the "forbidden fruit" angle.. part of the allure is the forbidden... however, I hope I maintain apprecation even if it were to become legal...
However, I really doubt we would see women abandoning bra's too quickly..as much as some people dislike them.. (can't say I'm a guy) I would imagine there are some advantages to wearing one..
I see womens tits more than I would like every day... I work at a local retail store..
And believe me.. if your wearing an old white shirt that has been worn thin its not like anyone in the store is unable to see whats going on.
I see guys who walk in all day with shirts they may as well not even be wearing.. women doing the same.
It is absolutely disgusting. If a woman is mildly attractive and doing it.. I am going to stare... If she is uncomfortable with that.. so be it.
If she is fine with it, well.. there isn't a problem.
Honestly.. the ONLY thing I am worried about in this instance is child pornagraphy issues.. however, I do agree with the "forbidden fruit" angle.. part of the allure is the forbidden... however, I hope I maintain apprecation even if it were to become legal...
However, I really doubt we would see women abandoning bra's too quickly..as much as some people dislike them.. (can't say I'm a guy) I would imagine there are some advantages to wearing one..