Ubuntu Sufferers

[Speed Daemon]

Had it not been for Xenix, I wouldn't be the anti-micro$oft, *nix-centric snob I am today. I never thought of Xenix as having anything to do with m$, because what I used was Tandy Xenix [very briefly] and then SCO Xenix. Regardless, I have such fond memories of my Xenix days.

What I find interesting is the timing. By 1980 Microsoft had become a major software OEM, selling MS-BASIC to many of the early microcomputer (that's what they were called before "PC" became popular) manufacturers. They could have told IBM that "UNIX was the future" and pushed their Xenix product on IBM instead of purchasing a CP/M clone and "making it work". Who knows how different things would be if Microsoft had stuck with UNIX and used their bargaining power to get AT&T to lower the license fees.

It was no mean feat to adapt UNIX to run on hardware that lacked key functionality that made SYSV UNIX so successful. The 8086 and 68k CPUs that were a big step forward from their 8-bit predecessors were still pretty crude. Although I never used Xenix, my experience with Minix for pre-286 computers was really interesting and educational.

It's not sckmd, it's sckmud. As I posted earlier

No matter how it's spelled, the only accounts that I've ever seen of the message are apocryphal. Since a "Starship" isn't likely to suffer from a problem that's more common with jet-skis, I think it's safe to say that the "sucking mud" reference was to the phonetics of what you wrote as "Sckmud" and nickdalzell wrote as "Sckmd". In the UNIX world there's a long tradition of novel pronunciations for things that aren't words. AIX is pronounced "aches", HP-UX is "H-pucks", DEC is "deck", fsck is "F-suck", so on and so forth.

Along the same lines I was just recalling my experiences with OS/2 Warp in another thread, and how I saw the Win-OS/2 directory (WINOS2) and heard it in my mind as "winos two".

 

[Speed Daemon]

the only memory i have of Xenix was the childhood bits and pieces glimpse of the mainframe upstairs...

that loud old hard drive though--that is one sound i will never forget....thing was huge--stored in a key-locked drawer on the bottom of the mainframe. the upper part had tape drives, i suppose for backup purposes, and another part had a few buttons and lights. the buttons had things such as 'power' 'restart' 'diag' and various lights for disk access, on-line, error, working, and others.

I think what you're calling a "mainframe" was actually a DEC PDP-11 minicomputer. That's the only machine larger than a desktop microcomputer that Xenix was compiled for. And while a hard disk drive that fills up a 19" relay rack is gigantic by today's standards, the "big iron" mainframe DASD boxes were as big as a clothes washer, and sometimes even larger:

I've heard stories about mainframe programmers writing assembler programs that made these large spinning disk or drum drives do things beside storage. One program moved the read/write heads in a way that played a little tune. Another one that was clearly written for revenge cycled the reciprocating assembly back and forth repeatedly, causing the whole assembly to move across the floor!

Back then tape drives were still used to store data. Tapes were more cost-effective than spinning media drives, and more efficient for reading sequential access data. Tape drives were also the way that old mainframes and minis were booted.

 

[nickdalzell]

it was considerably smaller than that--it was along the same footprint of an AST Mentor--if you remember those, it was basically the same size as a small entertainment cabinet, produced so much heat it had a R-12 Freon based cooling unit inside. it was kept upstairs, and the terminals were all connected to it by wire. downstairs, where you actually interacted with it, were dumb terminals with keyboards made by WYSE. the mainframe was a proprietary make and had some medical branding on it. I do not remember the name--the company is now defunct.

I have always generically referred to any server that sends data to dozens or more dumb terminals or teletypes as 'mainframes' whether or not that is the correct term. to me a 'server' is simply a network file server that connects to newer boxes via token ring or Ethernet interfaces. servers have connections to independent computers, while mainframes as I call them are the only CPU there--with the dumb terminals being nothing but telnet-type methods of communicating with it. Xenix/UNIX being multiuser it made it come off as if the terminals you interacted with had processing capabilities of their own-the illusion. they called it Xenix but it could have been a port of UNIX used for that computer's intended purpose. they may have just called it by the wrong name. I was a child then, using DOS on an IBM 5150, so what would I know? I just remember the text on the screen and that error

I would say whatever it was it was as large as the double-decker washer/dryer used in a small apartment. but not an entire room was taken up. it shared the same air-conditioned closet as the medicine storage. I think the office still exists but remains closed--the unit was still up there being used as a table. the picture you posted if that is the hard drive on top of the machine that is what the Hard drive did look like.

 

[MoodyBlues]

I have always generically referred to any server that sends data to dozens or more dumb terminals or teletypes as 'mainframes' whether or not that is the correct term.

No, it's not correct. At least not to me. When I think of mainframes, I think of huge, noisy, hot, room-filling monsters.

The furniture store chain I worked for had several IBM System/3 computers, with no access via terminals. Everything had to be printed out, so sales reports, inventory reports, etc., were cranked out daily. I replaced the System/3s with an SCO Xenix system; it ran on an ALR 386/25, to which I attached terminals, printers, and modems, using a variety of RS-232, serial, and short-haul modem cabling. The server, in my office, was what I used to do my normal work programming and administering the system. It most definitely was NOT a mainframe! But it had Wyse terminals connected to it at multiple locations, including in my office at home.

 

[nickdalzell]

your definition of Mainframe sounds more like ENIACs from the late 1940s

 

[mysticspiral]

I finally am on linux mint , but really dont know a whole lot. Am doing alit of research in how to use linux

 

[MoodyBlues]

I finally am on linux mint , but really dont know a whole lot. Am doing alit of research in how to use linux

In my experience there's little to no learning curve. (I'm talking about typical end users, not geeks who want to learn the real guts of the OS, its kernel, etc.) When I convert someone, I do it with Kubuntu Linux, so keep in mind that's what I'm referring to. When I switched my [elderly] mother to Kubuntu from windows, I installed it, added a ton of games and other stuff, then said "here you go!" My mom can do things with computers--as in SCREW THEM UP ROYALLY--that I've never even seen in 30 years of computing. "Computer literate" and "my mother" do NOT belong in the same sentence. Yet she managed with virtually no instruction. That's how intuitive KDE is. YMMV depending on distro and desktop environment.

 

[nickdalzell]

Ubuntu finally grew on me after Pear Linux. i am now running the official 12.10 on my Toshiba (Windows 8 and its many partitions and EFI crap are GONE!) and at least one of my games runs fine in it. now all i have to do is rid the ugly out of it (who designs the default interface anyway?) and relocate the launcher to the bottom where i like it and i'm on my way

 

[MoodyBlues]

Ubuntu finally grew on me after Pear Linux. i am now running the official 12.10 on my Toshiba

Nick, you won't mind if I have a HUGE GRIN on my face right now, will you? :laugh:

(Windows 8 and its many partitions and EFI crap are GONE!)

Bye-bye! :wavey:

now all i have to do is rid the ugly out of it (who designs the default interface anyway?) and relocate the launcher to the bottom where i like it and i'm on my way

KDE, Nick, KDE. Just try it. Install the Kubuntu components (via Synaptic is easiest, but apt-get will work, too) and give it a try.

 

[nickdalzell]

i am not a big fan of KDE either. right now my biggest issue is finding additional themes and relocating the bar to the bottom but neither option seems to exist. haven't used KDE since Red Hat 7.

i'm really addicted to sudo apt-get. if there is one thing about Ubuntu that is literally irresistable that is it. found out how the 'add apt' command works too so future lifecycle woes are gone later on in life. i find myself in terminal more than Software Center (for some reason Wine fails to install in Software Center but does just fine in terminal...)

 

[MoodyBlues]

i am not a big fan of KDE either. right now my biggest issue is finding additional themes and relocating the bar to the bottom but neither option seems to exist. haven't used KDE since Red Hat 7

EVERYTHING is customizable in KDE. And it's changed A LOT since you last used it. You have nothing to lose installing the Kubuntu components and firing up under KDE.

It's astonishingly beautiful and endlessly--truly infinitely--customizable with themes, colors, widgets, placement of objects...it just goes on and on.

If you give it a fair try and still don't like it, remove it. Frankly, though, I'd be surprised that anyone who's actually played with its myriad of options and understands how much they can do with them WOULDN'T like it.

 

[nickdalzell]

installing KDE and its specific apps won't break my STO on Wine would it? i'm afraid to do anything that would mess that up. never installed a window manager before, so i am unsure if, like Android, i would simply get a prompt to select a new launcher or if it would be far more complicated than i'd like?

 

[MoodyBlues]

installing KDE and its specific apps won't break my STO on Wine would it? i'm afraid to do anything that would mess that up. never installed a window manager before, so i am unsure if, like Android, i would simply get a prompt to select a new launcher or if it would be far more complicated than i'd like?

No, no, no. Not complicated at all.

First, KDE is not a window manager, it's a desktop environment. It's not something you run from within GNOME/Unity/whatever, it *REPLACES* those. You can install it while you're running Ubuntu, either by installing KDE, per se, or--and I think this would be a better choice for you right now--by installing the Kubuntu and KDE components via Synaptic.

Once installed, you'll be able to choose which DE you want to use when you're logging in. You can also set which DE to use as your default so you only need to pick one when you feel like using a different one. I, obviously, use KDE as my default, but when I feel like using one of the other DEs I've installed, I pick one and log in with it.

 

[nickdalzell]

i do not login? it is automatic does that change how it will auto-select? pardon my n00b here, also what is the diff between a WM and DE?

another problem:

>sudo apt-get install kde

Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Package kde is not available, but is referred to by another package.
This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
is only available from another source

E: Package 'kde' has no installation candidate
nick@nick-Satellite-C855D:~$

 

[MoodyBlues]

i do not login? it is automatic does that change how it will auto-select?

At some point you chose to automatically log in. You'll need to undo that. Some Unity person will need to help if you can't figure it out. It should be somewhere in your system settings. On Kubuntu it's under System Settings | Login Screen | Convenience.

pardon my n00b here, also what is the diff between a WM and DE?

This can be kind of fuzzy. But in our discussion, KDE is the total environment you see and use. A window manager can be run on top of a desktop environment.

another problem:

>sudo apt-get install kde

Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Package kde is not available, but is referred to by another package.
This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
is only available from another source

E: Package 'kde' has no installation candidate
nick@nick-Satellite-C855D:~$

One word--which I THINK I've already said : Synaptic. Use Synaptic to first search for and then install the essential components for Kubuntu and KDE; it'll do much of the work for you [if you've set your preferences appropriately], automatically selecting packages that need to be installed, too.

 

[Speed Daemon]

your definition of Mainframe sounds more like ENIACs from the late 1940s

Actually, the old vacuum tube and relay computers relied heavily on telco-style relay racks for holding the various components.

The word "mainframe" comes from the construction methods used to build large, mass-produced computers of the day. For those who have seen one with the decorative panels off, the structural framework is visible. Seeing it that way makes it obvious why they're named that way!

Over the years, packaging has changed, so there are no hard and fast distinctions between what's a mainframe and what's not. In the '80s and 90s a mainframe class machine used more robust (and more costly) TTL chips for the CPU and other key components, while cheaper computers used CMOS VLSI circuits that offer more "bang for the buck". These days what we usually call a mainframe is any machine that's built to run a mainframe operating system.

When minicomputers came out around 1970, the main distinction between a mainframe and a mini was cost. Mainframes typically exceeded $1,000,000US to buy, and were often leased to the customer. Minicomputers cost less than that, and were unable to run mainframe software. The classic minicomputer consists of several modules mounted on rack rails in one or more cabinets. I had a friend who worked for AT&T and had a 6-cabinet VAX computer in his living room.

It's not proper to call any computer that uses serial cables and terminals a server. The word server comes from client/server technology that came out of local area networking and the Internet. Client/server operates on a network, and requires a computer with the client software running on it in order to work.

 

[nickdalzell]

Moody, most packages i try to install that way (Synaptic is Software Center right?) fail. Wine was one of them. it downloaded, hung on 'waiting for install' and then said 'failed'. in terminal it worked fine though. i did seem to successfully install kubuntu-desktop but i am still doing things on this one that i don't want to lose yet (browser tabs of ubuntu pages i am still learning from) but will see if that worked

Speed, this is why i do not refer to older 1970s UNIX/Xenix CPUs (and their serially connected dumb terminals) as 'servers'. i've always called them mainframes. not sure what else to call them--this isn't the 1940s anymore so the term is likely to have changed to apply to more than one singular machine type.

 

[MoodyBlues]

It's not proper to call any computer that uses serial cables and terminals a server. The word server comes from client/server technology that came out of local area networking and the Internet. Client/server operates on a network, and requires a computer with the client software running on it in order to work.

Then I must have possessed prescience! Otherwise, how did I come up with the term server? We're talking about the mid-'80s, when the Internet wasn't a factor at all in 99.99% of people's lives. As for LANs, that's not at all what I created at the furniture store, i.e., we did NOT have a server with PCs connected to it. We had [what I've always called] a server, with dumb terminals connected to it. I also remember calling it "the console," but typically referred to it as "the server." So where did I get that?

 

[nickdalzell]

BTW finally got KDE going, love the widgets (those are new) but is there a similar thing to the Unity Launcher that can replace the Windows 95 Start Menu layout (one of the things that keeps making KDE look dated to me)? i kinda liked Unity's launcher just not how it was always on the left side?

Disregard that, got a widget solution that looks nicer than a panel

 

[MoodyBlues]

BTW finally got KDE going

Great!

love the widgets (those are new)

To YOU. They've been around for a long time now.

but is there a similar thing to the Unity Launcher that can replace the Windows 95 Start Menu layout (one of the things that keeps making KDE look dated to me)? i kinda liked Unity's launcher just not how it was always on the left side?

Like I've said, you have to explore all the options--the ZILLIONS of them--to really understand how versatile KDE is. OF COURSE you can get rid of the KDE application launcher menu. You can make your desktop(s) look however you WANT them to look. Play around a bit, okay?

Also, every desktop can have its own wallpaper, widgets, etc. I don't know and, frankly don't care, if Unity does this too.

 

[nickdalzell]

i just found out late you can remove the panel. now having fun with the widget toys

 

[saptech]

KDE is a very nice interface but it is too bloated for my taste. I'm currently running Mageia 3 beta with Gnome 3, giving G3 a chance since I was a big G2 fan. I wanted to install Digikam to use with my camera and it was going to install 173 or so files. Why on earth does it need to install that many files just for one app???

I do know you can install both DE or all environments, but if I'm using one I really don't like installing much of the other one. It's just a personal thing with me.

Now that Fedora 18 is out, I'm thinking about giving it a shot, the G3 version of course.

 

[Speed Daemon]

KDE3 is great. KDE4 is like being forced to use Windows Vista with every useless (and buggy) gadget enabled. It's like a solution for a problem that doesn't exist.

 

[MoodyBlues]

KDE is a very nice interface but it is too bloated for my taste. I'm currently running Mageia 3 beta with Gnome 3, giving G3 a chance since I was a big G2 fan.

I never thought of it as bloated until I tried running 11.10 on an old laptop. At any rate, I love KDE and don't care if it is bloated, because it runs great on all my computers and is, in my opinion, the prettiest DE.

I wanted to install Digikam to use with my camera and it was going to install 173 or so files. Why on earth does it need to install that many files just for one app???

digiKam has many, many abilities and features, so the files are needed for its various functions. Have a quick look at my installed files for digikam and digikam-data, respectively; they'll give you an idea of what they're needed for:

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/etc
/etc/apparmor.d
/etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.mysqld-digikam
/usr
/usr/bin
/usr/bin/cleanup_digikamdb
/usr/bin/digikam
/usr/bin/digitaglinktree
/usr/include
/usr/include/digikam
/usr/include/digikam/albumdb.h
/usr/include/digikam/bcgfilter.h
/usr/include/digikam/bcgsettings.h
/usr/include/digikam/blurfilter.h
/usr/include/digikam/cbfilter.h
/usr/include/digikam/cbsettings.h
/usr/include/digikam/cietonguewidget.h
/usr/include/digikam/colorgradientwidget.h
/usr/include/digikam/dcolor.h
/usr/include/digikam/dcolorblend.h
/usr/include/digikam/dcolorcomposer.h
/usr/include/digikam/dcolorpixelaccess.h
/usr/include/digikam/dcursortracker.h
/usr/include/digikam/dgradientslider.h
/usr/include/digikam/dimg.h
/usr/include/digikam/dimgthreadedfilter.h
/usr/include/digikam/dlogoaction.h
/usr/include/digikam/dmetadata.h
/usr/include/digikam/dpopupmenu.h
/usr/include/digikam/dprogressdlg.h
/usr/include/digikam/dzoombar.h
/usr/include/digikam/exifwidget.h
/usr/include/digikam/hslfilter.h
/usr/include/digikam/iccpreviewwidget.h
/usr/include/digikam/iccprofileinfodlg.h
/usr/include/digikam/iccprofilewidget.h
/usr/include/digikam/icctransform.h
/usr/include/digikam/imagecurves.h
/usr/include/digikam/imagedialog.h
/usr/include/digikam/imageiface.h
/usr/include/digikam/imagelevels.h
/usr/include/digikam/imageplugin.h
/usr/include/digikam/iptcwidget.h
/usr/include/digikam/knotificationwrapper.h
/usr/include/digikam/libsinfodlg.h
/usr/include/digikam/makernotewidget.h
/usr/include/digikam/mdkeylistviewitem.h
/usr/include/digikam/metadatalistview.h
/usr/include/digikam/metadatalistviewitem.h
/usr/include/digikam/metadatawidget.h
/usr/include/digikam/nrfilter.h
/usr/include/digikam/nrsettings.h
/usr/include/digikam/paniconwidget.h
/usr/include/digikam/photoinfocontainer.h
/usr/include/digikam/previewwidget.h
/usr/include/digikam/rawcameradlg.h
/usr/include/digikam/refocusfilter.h
/usr/include/digikam/rexpanderboxexclusive.h
/usr/include/digikam/searchtextbar.h
/usr/include/digikam/sharpenfilter.h
/usr/include/digikam/sidebar.h
/usr/include/digikam/statusled.h
/usr/include/digikam/statusnavigatebar.h
/usr/include/digikam/statusprogressbar.h
/usr/include/digikam/template.h
/usr/include/digikam/unsharpmaskfilter.h
/usr/include/digikam/xmpwidget.h
/usr/include/digikam_export.h
/usr/lib
/usr/lib/kde4
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/usr/lib/kde4/digikamimageplugin_transform.so
/usr/lib/kde4/digikamnepomukservice.so
/usr/lib/kde4/kio_digikamalbums.so
/usr/lib/kde4/kio_digikamdates.so
/usr/lib/kde4/kio_digikamsearch.so
/usr/lib/kde4/kio_digikamtags.so
/usr/lib/kde4/libexec
/usr/lib/kde4/libexec/digikamdatabaseserver
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/usr/lib/kde4/plugins/marble
/usr/lib/kde4/plugins/marble/ExternalDraw.so
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/usr/sbin
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/usr/share/man/man1/digitaglinktree.1.gz
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/usr/share/menu/digikam
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/usr/share/pixmaps/digikam-16.xpm
/usr/share/pixmaps/digikam.xpm

/.
/usr
/usr/share
/usr/share/doc
/usr/share/doc/digikam-data
/usr/share/doc/digikam-data/changelog.Debian.gz
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I should point out that without digiKam I'd be lost! I use it for managing photos from my DSLR cameras, and I love the way its options allow for doing things, such as automatically creating date-named directories and dumping the appropriate photos into the correct directories. (I use the GIMP for all my image *EDITING* needs.)

I do know you can install both DE or all environments, but if I'm using one I really don't like installing much of the other one. It's just a personal thing with me.

But that's the great thing about Linux! It's *ALL* about personal taste.

Now that Fedora 18 is out, I'm thinking about giving it a shot, the G3 version of course.

When you do, how about posting some screenshots in the 'show us your desktop' thread?

 

[9to5cynic]

I've always wanted to give KDE a serious go, but sadly linux is limited to my 10in netbook. And last time I tried KDE on that, the whole thing felt too condensed. I'd really like to get a KDE desktop going with a 'real' monitor

I'm thinking of giving ubuntu another go (12.04 is the last one I have) because it's the most updated distro I have saved for day to day use.

But, because I don't like unity too well, I'm thinking I'll be giving some of the more light weight WMs a try (openbox again probably)...

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