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Unmistakable Mainsteams UFO media footage?
- Thread starter ForeverNewb
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i bet you ....
there are a few ETs on this forum. they have to have a cell phone if they are here to study us. and of course the phone of choice is the one with the little green dude.
i think earlymon is one of them! hiding in the dark and all
Sorry, I'm not one of them - but they do exist, they have visited here - in fact, they've visited me and I have physical proof.
They were here last week - I challenged them for physical proof. Turns out they replicated a set of hubcabs that matched my roadster. I took them to the lab, and we couldn't tell a lick of difference between the ones made on Earth and the ones they replicated.
THAT is how advanced their technology is!
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Truth is - we don't know everything.
I recommend always to keep an open mind, even on UFOs, and keep looking up.
And remember an open mind doesn't mean a skwishy one - look at claims on their own merits, draw no conclusions until all evidence is in - whether UFOs or any other strange observables.
And srsly - foo fighters - what were they?
Bob Maxey
Android Expert
Ohh Ohh Ohh . . . Bob knows about Foo Fighters. My brother is quite interested in Foo Fighters and WW2 Atomic Engineering.
Foo Fighters were lights, balls, or spheres sometimes witnessed and reported by pilots during WW2. Some say they were the product of German engineering, others say they were from "out there," a product of advanced alien engineering. Or secret and highly advanced German engineering.
When you start looking at WW2, Hitler, WW2 German engineering, and Adolph's interest in ESP/the occult/other odd science, the rumors fly and the stories grow large among the small community that studies such things. But there was serious science as well (and hidden in Area 54) taking place in WW2 Germany.
WW2 Germany was far stranger than most people know.
As an aside, a friend once told me that when you look at the news of the day (WW2) it is interesting that far more odd experiences were attributed to Hitler and Germany than aliens from out there. Few saw aliens but many saw spies or some horrific weapon built by Hitler. And like today, what many saw was not what they think they saw.
Bob
DaSchmarotzer
Blame it on me
They named some UFOs after a rock band, that's all.
(Might have been balls of lightning)About extraterrestrials, I do believe that there might be life somewhere else. However, the chances of them coming on Earth are quite low if you ask me, but not totally impossible.
Early, how can you use the Drake equation? I thought most parameters were still unknown.
Bob Maxey
Android Expert
They were here last week - I challenged them for physical proof. Turns out they replicated a set of hubcabs that matched my roadster. I took them to the lab, and we couldn't tell a lick of difference between the ones made on Earth and the ones they replicated.
THAT is how advanced their technology is!
Wow . . . I knew I must have worked for a company somehow tied to aliens. I mean, those ball grid array devices had to be made my aliens or mad men.
Also, we would receive secret communications from the USR Mother Ship and we could replicate prototype plastic parts in a tank of polymer using crossed laser beams. Apparently, we had replicator or Transporter technology. I thought so.
Then we added a huge CO2 laser, for no apparent reason. I think it was to take over the City of Salt Lake, then Orem possibly.
OT: Good news, I get to play with a three axis mill next week. They make implants and specialized tools for cow mutilations. Oh, Oh, I said too much.
Bob Maxey
Android Expert
They named some UFOs after a rock band, that's all.
About extraterrestrials, I do believe that there might be life somewhere else. However, the chances of them coming on Earth are quite low if you ask me, but not totally impossible.
Early, how can you use the Drake equation? I thought most parameters were still unknown.
I think you are supposed to guess. But only if you have two doctorates and perhaps a HS diploma.
I think it is foolish to say aliens do not exist, somewhere, in some form. And I think it is foolish to say they do not have technology. After all, if we came to be and developed high technology, it must happen somewhere else in the large area we experts call Space.
What is in contention is the question: are they here or have they visited us?
I say no!
Bob
how do you know.. that we have high tech???
by the standards of beings able to travel across the galaxy or dimensions... they see us as playing with sticks and stones. and weapons that are equivalent to their 5th grade science projects.
ElasticNinja
Android Expert
I reckon a few Tsar Bombas could destroy anything they would have.. still hard to transport
I liked the wikipedia entry because it does explain (as I skimmed it) that the parameters are mostly unknown.
Since its inception, we have refined some of our estimates of the parameters, yes?
For example, when it was first postulated, we had no evidence of exoplanets, those were just a probability. Now we know they exist and with more variations than we previously thought.
All in all - the Drake Equation is simply a weighted model (as I'm sure you know).
So - how can I use it?
Like I did here.
I use it often to expose those unfamiliar with the idea of a weighted model for this sort of thing.
It's not uncommon to use such a model as a first step out of the darkness - our history of science has many successes from the approach.
But - bottom line - we don't really know IF planets as unique as ours will exist (necessary to create the type of civilizations that would communicate, within our present understanding of things) - and we don't really know IF amino acids would combine to create life elsewhere in the first place.
The Drake Equation is simply better than a WAG - you have to WAG the parameters, but there is a certain logic to it.
And any use of logic on this subject is always useful, in my opinion - hence, my use of it here.
Bob Maxey
Android Expert
But . . . you assume they are more advanced than we are. We do not know if they/them exist; at least as of 1:43 this afternoon, Mountain Standard Time. So as far as I am concerned, we are high tech.
As far as anyone can actually prove, we sit on top of the technological summit. When Alf crashes into my garage, I'll make revisions.
yes.. if they exist or not.. is totally open to debate.
but the odds are that they do live out there some place. have they been here is the big unknown.
for this discussion.. we assume that they are here. so they must be at a much higher level of tech and knowledge of the universe.
but the odds are that they do live out there some place. have they been here is the big unknown.
for this discussion.. we assume that they are here. so they must be at a much higher level of tech and knowledge of the universe.
Bob Maxey
Android Expert
So here is my problem. Forget God for a moment. Well, just leave him out.
Apparently, whatever happened to create intelligent life on Earth was/is complicated. I suspect we are still clueless when it comes to the entire story. Lets just assume that vast numbers of things had to happen in specific orders and under specific conditions in order for us to appear and thrive. If a few things did not occur, life might have failed to take root. Like a moon to control the tides or the sun at exactly the right distance from earth. Fair enough?
But . . .
It did happen and we are here. Therefore, owing to the vastness of space, it seems fair to assume that if it can happen here (and we are proof it can), it is not unreasonable to assume that it might have happened elsewhere.
Fair enough?
I recall something about a photo of the Milky Way or some other Galaxy. A small arrow pointed to Earth's general area in that vast mass of mass. The arrow was pointing not to a specific planet, but something that looks like a fuzzy dot that contained earth as well as billions of other objects like stars.
Then I saw an illustration that showed the entire Milky Way Galaxy against another mass of stuff and the MG was but a tiny dot.
I recall another image that showed that mass of crap and it to was tiny compared to the entire image.
Then I saw that vast mass of mass against the backdrop of known galaxies photographed by Hubble, and it too was a tiny dot. It would be as though you focused a camera on earth and could zoom out infinitely to the ends of the known universe. Or something like that.
In other, less complicated words, Space and all it contains is past unimaginable and vast. We are a single atom among all atoms that make up every possible thing we know about and do not know about, and all of that fits somewhere in a space that many think is endless.
If it is endless, we are damn stupid to discount the possibility of life elsewhere. But we are silly to think they arrived to say high and grab a few cutlets from some stray cows.
So, considering how much stuff is out there and because we are proof that life can occur and evolve, it is not unreasonable to simply assume that we are not alone. Perhaps we are alone because the aliens think we are not worth much. Or perhaps we are alone because space is vast and we lack any ability to explore much.
Like my cat that sits in the window and sees local things, unaware that there is a China or Las Vegas past the row of houses.
Now, if we are relatively young (apparently we are) and assuming that other civilizations could form and since the entirety of space contains objects and galaxies and planets that are likely older than we are, is it fair to say that advanced people exist?
Look at what our race accomplished in a very short time and imagine if we can continue, what tech we will have in 500,000 years. And finally, remember that in cosmological terms, half a million years is less than the beginning of a tiny blink of an eye.
Fair enough?
I'm not seeing your problem there, Bob, I think you said it very well.
but when you bring God back into the discussion.
bible thumpers say..
that man was created in the image of himself
humans were not created through evolution
and humans are only intelligent beings.. because there is God, angels and humans. thats it.
it becomes a very very hard discussion.
bible thumpers say..
that man was created in the image of himself
humans were not created through evolution
and humans are only intelligent beings.. because there is God, angels and humans. thats it.
it becomes a very very hard discussion.
Bob Maxey
Android Expert
I guess my problem is in explaining just how big and vast space is and in understanding or explaining why it might be silly to simply discount the possibility of advanced races. There is just too much to comprehend. At least in my little brain.
When I saw Hubble images, I was amazed at just how much visible stuff there is.
Interestingly, if space is infinite, we can never reach the half way point. Or the quarter way point, or eighth way point.
Unrelated, but I am finding that Wikepedia to be a great source of some info. Even though I hammer them from time to time. the math pages are interesting as are the music pages and I especially like the Paradox pages.
Bob
Few things.
1.) We are fairly sure that life is not unique to this planet.
NASA scientist: Evidence of alien life on meteorite - Tech Talk - CBS News
2.) The mathematical model states life is completely possible.
Is there life on other planets, I am fairly sure there is. Space traveling life, yes, probably. Life is not all that hard to make. We understand the conditions of first life reasonably well.
But here is the logic problem to the whole equation.
The universe is about 48,000,000,000 light years in any given direction.
Really think about that number.
That is, please excuse the number
288,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 miles.
To try to wrap our head around that idea.
It would take fictional star trek 2,285,714 years at warp 9.9 to travel that distance.
My question, if god made us, why make the universe so big?
He could cut that number by 1/10 and we, as a species would never be able to explore it. If we are alone in the universe, it is a lot of empty space.
For those that don't believe in god, I doubt they think life is singular to this planet.
1.) We are fairly sure that life is not unique to this planet.
NASA scientist: Evidence of alien life on meteorite - Tech Talk - CBS News
2.) The mathematical model states life is completely possible.
Is there life on other planets, I am fairly sure there is. Space traveling life, yes, probably. Life is not all that hard to make. We understand the conditions of first life reasonably well.
But here is the logic problem to the whole equation.
The universe is about 48,000,000,000 light years in any given direction.
Really think about that number.
That is, please excuse the number
288,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 miles.
To try to wrap our head around that idea.
It would take fictional star trek 2,285,714 years at warp 9.9 to travel that distance.
My question, if god made us, why make the universe so big?
He could cut that number by 1/10 and we, as a species would never be able to explore it. If we are alone in the universe, it is a lot of empty space.
For those that don't believe in god, I doubt they think life is singular to this planet.
I recall that Einstein is quoted as saying that God created a universe where anything would be possible, and then got out of the way so it could happen.
Bob Maxey
Android Expert
The only problem is some are saying that the universe might be infinite. That makes it more difficult to comprehend.
Perhaps all God know how to do is big. I say big is better. Perhaps we have not been involved in interstellar wars because we are tiny and too hard to get to because space is so bloody big and gas prices being what they are.
with a civic hybrid
and 40 miles per gallon
$4 per gallon
well that is more than i can comprehend
A.Nonymous
Extreme Android User
If you were an alien you would deny it. I don't buy it.
Childhood's End, Arthur C. Clarke
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ebusinesstutor
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I have my own equation that I like better than the Drake one.
Here it is:
We have explored 8 planets so far with probes. We have found life on one of them. So as far as we know so far, the ratio of life to planets in the universe is 1:8.
Until we get to study the exoplanets more, you can't prove my equation wrong!
Seriously, I do believe there is a lot of life in the universe. Why should we be be the only one in trillions chance? If it happened one, it can happen again.
And I do think some of that life will grow towards intelligence, even space travel.
But I think at this point, there is insufficient evidence that any of them have visited us.
But I would love to be alive when it happened!
Here it is:
We have explored 8 planets so far with probes. We have found life on one of them. So as far as we know so far, the ratio of life to planets in the universe is 1:8.
Until we get to study the exoplanets more, you can't prove my equation wrong!
Seriously, I do believe there is a lot of life in the universe. Why should we be be the only one in trillions chance? If it happened one, it can happen again.
And I do think some of that life will grow towards intelligence, even space travel.
But I think at this point, there is insufficient evidence that any of them have visited us.
But I would love to be alive when it happened!