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USB vs. AC - a GNEX charging conundrum

dougleto

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I've encountered quite the charging conundrum and I am very eager to hear if the community has any answers for me.

I recently bought a dual-USB 2A car charger for my galaxy nexus (link). I have had trouble with an older charger in the past that didn't put out enough current, and using navigation on the phone, even when on the charger, would draw down the battery. I found that I needed a 1A charger (and the phone in AC, not USB, charging mode), to at least maintain charge level when using the phone.

I have 4 different micro-usb cables, all of which are data/power cables (no shorted wires). When I plugged in the cable that came with my phone to the new usb car adapter, the charging state was listed as USB. I was rather annoyed, figuring that I'd have to crack the adapter open and do some soldering to get it to charge as AC, not USB. But before I did that, I tried another cable and, lo and behold, it registered as AC charging. Again, that was a data cable. Of the 4 cables I tried, only one of them would charge in AC mode.

To expand my test, I hauled my HP touchpad w/ cyanogenmod out to the car to see if I could get it to charge. The touchpad is either discharging, or charging in AC mode, there is no USB charging state. And the touchpad requires 2.0 (or 2.1, I can't remember) A to charge. All 4 of the cables worked, charging the touchpad in AC mode. So it seems like the cables are capable of charging in AC mode, at least for the touchpad.

Adding to my confusion/annoyance, when I use the cable that came with my phone and plug it into the little samsung wall wart that came with my phone, it also says it's charging in USB mode. But when I plug it into the HP wall adapter, it says AC mode.

Can anyone explain to me what is going on? Why does the GNex seem so sensitive to the exact cable used to charge in AC mode and why does the provided cable/charger not charge the phone in AC mode? Has anyone else experienced this odd behavior?
 
I don't think it's being sensitive, but instead had been designed to adhere strictly to the protocols set forth by the USB standard.

Either the cable or wall wart can be shorted or jumpered (resisted) across the data leads to communicate to the device that it should charge at the higher current rate. I have to suspect that if HP is jumping the leads in the wall wart, they're either violating the USB standard, or the standard now permits this: the point of it is (was) that you wouldn't want to plug a high current device into a low current legacy USB source, and risk trying to pull to much current through it.

The only puzzling thing to me is why your Samsung cord and charger is registering as a USB charge. It should definitely be charging as AC.
 
Despite the move to universal chargers/cables, my Nexus will not charge with my wife's old LG charger, the cheapo car charger I bought for my DroidX or the cable at my sister's house last night.

OTOH, my HP Touchpad 2 amp charger/cable works with everything I've owned, including my DroidX and my wife's old LG AND the replacements (my Nexus and her new phone).
 
I have a bunch of charge-only micro USB cables for this very reason! Works great for my car charger that was designed for Apple devices. It seems like whatever protocol Apple uses to signal high current chargers is different than the micro-USB spec so...
 
Adding to my confusion/annoyance, when I use the cable that came with my phone and plug it into the little samsung wall wart that came with my phone, it also says it's charging in USB mode. But when I plug it into the HP wall adapter, it says AC mode.
I will check my wall wart and cable. I could have sworn mine is AC charging in that configuration.
 
That's interesting. I need to double check how my car charger works, but I believe it will register as USB mode too. It might be related to the signal passing through the cable, but I'm no engineer :/

To overcome the slow USB charging, I have a modified kernel with 'fast charge' enabled (via toggle). This way I get 100% charge through AC or USB connection. The only downside is no USB data transfer is possible.
 
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