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We want pure Android!!

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matej.mainus

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Hello everyone,

i was very angry when Samsung released new update on ICS and destroy this update by TouchWiz.

I expected a little changes on ICS but Samsung completly change Android UI, but this generation of TouchWiz makes Android 2 from ICS. By this they made very hard life for developers, designer and users, because you can not make Android app with default Android 4 UI and design, This make all applications very unusable and ugly.

So i set up new page on G+ called We want pure Android. I want to show to manufactures, that users wants Android without any look extensions. With free time, that this will save, they can insert in to better driver support. And main reason for this is faster updates!!!

Who agree with me, please add https://plus.google.com/u/0/114612375205686971409/posts to your circles od add +1. Because without users will not any response from producers.

UPDATE:
I founded twitter page: https://twitter.com/#!/WantPureAndroid
 
i dont agree with you. While I'm not a HUGE fan of touchwiz, the newest updates to TW is pretty nice. I kinda like that samsung phones dont look like HTC or Moto phones. Vanilla Android UI is nice but not my style. Many people end up installing 3rd party launchers to change the looks anyway.
 
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I actually like TouchWiz. I tried out pure Android 4.0 for a week or two, and honestly I didn't like it, except for how quick and snappy it was. I like my TouchWiz Samsung Fascinate, although I have thought about rooting to delete some of the bloatware. Also, I just love the control buttons that show up with the notification tray... pure genius. Oh, and we can take screenshots without a 3rd party application.

In short, if you want a pure Android phone, instead of creating groups on Google+ or Facebook in protest, why don't you go out and buy yourself a Nexus phone? More specifically the Galaxy Nexus, made by Samsung. (without TouchWiz!)
 
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Before owning a device skinned with Touchwiz, I had owned 3 completely stock Android devices. I'm extremely happy with Touchwiz and really enjoy the features it adds. If I ever get sick of it, I'll root, and flash an AOSP rom.
 
A.Nonymous said:
I don't think the majority of users want pure Android. If that were the case, the Nexus phones would be the hottest phones on the market.
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The majority of users are not technical and think they have a "Droid" phone no matter who makes it... the Nexus didn't sell because it was mega bucks and obscurely advertised.
 
i totally agree that vanilla android is the only way to go, but it probably has a lot to do with the fact that the droid 1 was my first android device. after using that, all the custom user skins seem overly bloated to me. i don't need 15 social networking widgets included from the manufacturer. just let me download the ones i want from the market, they are usually better anyway. ran an AOSP rom on my thunderbolt, and am now rocking the GNex, so you're not going to change my mind! :p

there is an interesting article on the subject here:
Question To Android OEMs & Manufacturers: What’s The Benefit Of Having Custom Skins On Devices? | TalkAndroid.com
 
HannibalX said:
The majority of users are not technical and think they have a "Droid" phone no matter who makes it... the Nexus didn't sell because it was mega bucks and obscurely advertised.
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Which goes back to my point. The majority of users don't want pure Android. We can debate and discuss what the reasons are, but the fact is that the majority of users aren't demanding pure Android.
 
A while ago, I compared my HTC Desire Z running HTC Sense with my friend's Nexus S running pure Android. I found I like a number of features and especially widgets that are available to me, but not to him. The only disadvantage of Sense is that occasionally, it could be a bit slower. It's a trade off between speed and features and so far, I like the features enough to put up with a little bit of slowness from time to time.
 
Most widgets or features included in manufacturer skins should have something similar in the market. I see stock Android as a blank canvas to do what you want with, while skins are more like paint by numbers.
 
A.Nonymous said:
Which goes back to my point. The majority of users don't want pure Android. We can debate and discuss what the reasons are, but the fact is that the majority of users aren't demanding pure Android.
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To be fair, I'm not sure the majority of users know that pure android exists, so a lack of demand isn't surprising. :D

Personally I found HTC's Sense to be ugly as well as clumsy, so got rid of it for that reason, then discovered how much faster the device could be without it.
 
Personally, I have tried the pure ICS and Sense on my HTC Sensation, and I must say the experience is much better on Sense. There are many features pure ICS does not have, such as Internet Pass-through, which allows my phone to connect to internet through my laptop. Moreover, the lock screen on Sense is a killer feature (even on ICS' new lock screen, there is no way you can pin apps on it). Overall, the Sense UI seems polished and professional compared to any Android versions out there. I know people can find alternatives on Play Store, but end-users like me prefer the whole package, all features available out of the box.
In brief, my overall impression of Android is this: vanilla Android is written for techies and enthusiasts, who prefer speed and maximum control. On the other hand, HTC (like Apple) puts the user experience at the center of their attention, thus more eye-pleasing UI.
 
Hadron said:
To be fair, I'm not sure the majority of users know that pure android exists, so a lack of demand isn't surprising. :D

Personally I found HTC's Sense to be ugly as well as clumsy, so got rid of it for that reason, then discovered how much faster the device could be without it.
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Fair enough. Personally, I flashed CM on my DInc at one point and used it for a couple of days. I found myself hating it. I found the interface clunky and unimpressive looking. I didn't care how fast it ran, it looked ugly and lacked the functionality I was used to in Sense. People told me I could download this app and that widget pack and put in some time and make the phone look exactly like Sense, but why would I do that when I could just have Sense? To me a skinned UI can be a value add. I did use Blur on a client's phone and absolutely hated it. I'm not a fan of Touchwiz either.
 
A.Nonymous said:
Which goes back to my point. The majority of users don't want pure Android. We can debate and discuss what the reasons are, but the fact is that the majority of users aren't demanding pure Android.
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agreed. The main point, here, is that people want the ability to choose what kind of UI they have. Unfortunately, unless there's a custom rom that uses vanilla UI, you can't have it. But you can always mimick that with a custom launcher.
 
A.Nonymous said:
Which goes back to my point. The majority of users don't want pure Android. We can debate and discuss what the reasons are, but the fact is that the majority of users aren't demanding pure Android.
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The majority of users don't know what "pure" Android means. They just know they have an Android phone, whether is it a stock install or has some UI on top of it.
 
We are definitely in the minority with the phones getting better HW and the bloatwares not much of a factor to most. And I have a Nexus S, and it hasnt got the newest "google" experience yet, so who knows? Maybe the Nexus thing is going the way of Wave?
 
When I got my first Android phone in Dec. I didn't know what to expect other than having a droid. Then I noticed some apps by Verizon installed and used their text app, found out a charge for it, since I use 'Pay As You Go' text plan. Now I want to dump it, along with their other apps, but can't other than Rooting it.

I'm sure majority of non droid techies are not ready to root their phones. I guess the best thing for me would have been to see a stock droid and compare it to the OEMs version.
 
saptech said:
When I got my first Android phone in Dec. I didn't know what to expect other than having a droid. Then I noticed some apps by Verizon installed and used their text app, found out a charge for it, since I use 'Pay As You Go' text plan. Now I want to dump it, along with their other apps, but can't other than Rooting it.

I'm sure majority of non droid techies are not ready to root their phones. I guess the best thing for me would have been to see a stock droid and compare it to the OEMs version.
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The problem is, this was most likely not the manufacturers fault. Most of the bloatware, or apps you can't delete will still be on "stock" Android devices, because carriers like Verizon force you to have them. If the carriers in the US had less control over the devices, there would be a lot less problems. Don't get me wrong, manufacturers still add apps to their devices, but most of them are useful apps. (Like the S-Pen apps that came included with my Galaxy Note.)
 
matej.mainus said:
So i set up new page on G+ called We want pure Android. I want to show to manufactures, that users wants Android without any look extensions.
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When you say "users", don't you mean geeks? I don't think many ordinary people/general public would even realise what "pure Android" is. For them it's things like Touchwiz that differentiate a Samsung phone from all the other multitudes of Android phones available, similarly with HTC's Sense, etc.

I found Touchwiz to be rather clunky and slow, but then I'm a bit of a geek and have the knowledge to find out how to root and change the software, so I didn't have to put up with Touchwiz.
 
Timanator said:
We are definitely in the minority with the phones getting better HW and the bloatwares not much of a factor to most. And I have a Nexus S, and it hasnt got the newest "google" experience yet, so who knows? Maybe the Nexus thing is going the way of Wave?
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I've never actually seen a Nexus device, only read about them, are they only sold in the US? Yeh....Wave hah!... whatever happened to that?
 
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