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What can Android learn from Apple?

I wouldn't mind seeing a process monitor run in a window that I've trimmed back just to show CPU clock speed while I tinkered with other apps - I wouldn't mind seeing the top of a push inbox while I surfed the web in the other, what?, say, 80% of the screen.

not sure why you'd want to see a push mail inbox on your screen all the time - i mean you do get notifications of new mails anyway and you can check them easily enough via the notification bar

as for the sysmonitor, i don't personally feel the need for that sort of thing

but i guess you've got a point in a general "have some updating info on display while doing anything" way

and of course if tv out / atrix esque docking become more widespread (and i believe it will), obviously there will be a need for a windowed system - tho' that could (and imo should) be a totally different ui to that you see on the phone (like with the atrix)
 
The thing I hate about the notification bar for emails is that it's not there when I'm browsing - and when it is there, I have to pull open the mail to see if it's important and work or family related or just spam. Just saying.

But yeah - you've got the idea - we all have different needs or desires and that would be just one more way to really shine.
 
I'm sure ice cream will do more than simply combine the 2. They have Duarte and now that he is settled in, he'll add lots of ideas.
I'm surprised they even came up with a movie editor. I thought it would be hard for even google to come up with an alternative to iMovie. I've learned not to underestimate Google :)
 
The thing I hate about the notification bar for emails is that it's not there when I'm browsing - and when it is there, I have to pull open the mail to see if it's important and work or family related or just spam. Just saying.

But yeah - you've got the idea - we all have different needs or desires and that would be just one more way to really shine.

I think it would be a good idea if you could set email notifications so that it would only work for emails from certain people.
 
The thing I hate about the notification bar for emails is that it's not there when I'm browsing - and when it is there, I have to pull open the mail to see if it's important and work or family related or just spam. Just saying.

haven't been using android in over half a year so didn't remember what the notification for email was like, but imo the better option (to an inbox window) would be to simply have the sender address & subject in the notification for new email (in the open notif. bar)

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- I think Google Market should approve software before it goes public to prevent all the crappy apps that are flooding the market. I saw one game published 8 different times in one day with different graphics, just to push the advertisements out. Annoying.

- They need to stop carriers tweaking the software and putting bloatware on. Quick update for everyone and without the long wait.

- As a developer they need to do some serious enhancements to the SDK to manage all the different resolutions and hardware formats. XCode manages this much better than the Android SDK. With Android there is so much carry on when trying to code for all the screen resolutions. XCode is more a case of supplying different resolution graphics (even then it will just use the nearest it can find if you don't supply them).

Apart from that... I love Android way better than iOS
 
- I think Google Market should approve software before it goes public to prevent all the crappy apps that are flooding the market. I saw one game published 8 different times in one day with different graphics, just to push the advertisements out. Annoying.

- They need to stop carriers tweaking the software and putting bloatware on. Quick update for everyone and without the long wait.

- As a developer they need to do some serious enhancements to the SDK to manage all the different resolutions and hardware formats. XCode manages this much better than the Android SDK. With Android there is so much carry on when trying to code for all the screen resolutions. XCode is more a case of supplying different resolution graphics (even then it will just use the nearest it can find if you don't supply them).

Apart from that... I love Android way better than iOS

but the actual OS itself...it is hard to think of features that ios has that android doesn't have.
 
OK, judging by the responses - this thread has just about killed itself trying to stay on topic, and I think everyone's done their best.

For the sake of continued discussion - I'm going to move this to the Lounge as it seems nothing earth-shaking is to be accomplished here.
 
I can't begin to imagine the frustration of not being able to drag and drop. That's honestly a deal breaker for me.

As for hardware acceleration, Android shouldn't be looking to iOS, they should be looking to Windows Phone 7 - and so should Apple. The hardware acceleration on WP7 on the next update is going to blow iOS out of the water.

Honestly, Android should be keeping a closer eye on Microsoft, than on Apple, for good ideas on the mobile front. The WP7 multitasking (cards, similar to WebOS) is another thing that is going to be miles above the iOS or Android experience. WP7 might not have the "cool" factor of iOS, but it's a better mobile OS experience. Apple's iOS is actually pretty stale, but hopefully it will receive a GUI update with the iPhone5.

Shrewd. It's only geeks on forums who know what Android is. The Windows brand is powerful, and if they get it on a good phone (Nokia?) and it looks a good deal for networks, then WP7 could be a real player this time next year.
 
OMG, GREAT thread, I wish this was started here!

So awesome to see a constructive thread about some cue's Android could take from Apple (or Windows, Symbian, Blackberry, etc...). And I must say, incredibly mature for this site. I was expecting to see a lot of, "hell Apple wishes they were as good as a pimple on Androids ass"... you know, the norm around here. But it looks as if the majority of folks have broken character and allowed themselves a little constructive criticism... very refreshing. For even the King of England can learn a thing or two about modesty from a peasant.

Where I feel Android could improve (and I'm not familiar with iOS, so I can't say forsure if they do it better or if they should look towards other OS's) is...

1. A simple, bulletproof back-up system. IMO this is Androids greatest weakness. Sure Titanium Back-Up is awesome, but you have to be rooted to use it. And since rooting voids your warranty, many people shy away from it. You shouldn't have to void your warranty in order to securely back your device up. Google should have a fool-proof method built into Android. It isn't something that should be left to third party devs to take care of. The way I understand Apples solution to this problem, is that if your iPhone crashes, you simply plug it into your computer, and it restores it through iTunes. That's good, but I would like them to take it one step further and store everything in the cloud. I've seen some promising use of the cloud, I believe they're on the right track. They're maybe halfway there, but it's not perfect yet. Needs work.

2. Scrolling needs to be buttery smooth. I guess this has been discussed in length above so I won't beat a dead horse, but it is something that's vitally important, because it weighs in a lot as far as user experience goes. Seriously, as awesome as these little devices are, and as much as they are capable of doing... all of it is for not when the user picks it up, goes to scroll through his home screens, and the thing lags, skips, freezes or stutters. All of the amazing functionality gets completely over looked and it's reduced to a piece of junk all due to that one, tiny little detail. Well, it may seem like a tiny little detail. But user experience is everything! And I have to agree, Apple recognizes that better than Android. I won't go as far as to say Google because they really don't have all the control over that (although they should). Instead it's in the hands of the OEM's who manufacturer these devices to implement that. Which brings me to my last point...

3. Google needs to demand certain standards from the OEM's. I understand that one of Androids biggest advantages is their range of products. So I know they can't demand EVERY device is built to the same standards as every other device. But they need to create some sort of tiered system that allows the buyer to know what to expect. For instance they could offer bottom tier Android devices for free with a new contract that are very minimalist, with no commitment from the OEM to support it (in other words, they wouldn't have to keep up with the updates and what not). So it would be cheap to produce, and the consumer could get his foot in the Android door so to speak, to try out the OS without dumping a bunch of money into the initial purchase.

From there they could build several other tiers, each with a varying level of quality and support from the OEM until you reach the top tier devices. These would have the best hardware currently available, and the OEMs would be responsible to support them heavily, coming out with updates in a timely manner. These would be the $200 - $300 phones (with the contract signing discount) that we have now like the Droid X, EVO 4g, Droid Bionic, etc... I just feel it's important for a customer to know what he's getting into when he buys a device. Right now its a crap shoot. I never looked very hard at the Galaxy S phones, but If I had bought one I would be very disappointed in the lack luster support the OEMs have given it. That's why when you plunk down a certain amount of money on your phone, you should have an understanding of what to expect out of it in the 12 - 24 months you're signing up to use it.

And the only way that is ever going to happen is if Google starts holding OEMs to certain standards. I have read Paul Rubins philosophical stance behind the Phoenix agreement, and I know what he's attempting to do. But I don't think it's ever going to work out the way he believes it will. I'm not saying he has to go as far as Steve Jobs has gone in wielding an iron fist! But they need to incorporate SOME of that approach. In other words, yes Android is free for you to use, AS LONG AS YOU DO X, Y & Z. And the x, y & z should be conditions put in place to protect not only the consumer, but also to protect the name and image of Google. Because when these devices screw up or under perform, the majority of people will blame Google when in fact its usually the OEM who's at fault. So they need to put into place reasonable conditions to be met in order to use Android so as not to tarnish Googles name.

There's probably more I could think of, but these are my top 3 concerns.
 
I was at the mall yesterday and decided to check out the Apple store. One thing that I find that Apple does that I would like others (not only Android) to do as well is to have demos available for potential customers to play with. At the Apple store, I could pick up an iPhone, MacBook Air, iPad, etc. and try it out. I go to a phone/electronics store and most of the phones they have are fakes with the home screen painted on. Now I don't expect that they have demos of all devices, but at least a few of the high end, feature devices of the week/month should be available for people to try out and compare. I like to experience something tangible instead of just seeing the glitzy advertising pitch.
 
I was at the mall yesterday and decided to check out the Apple store. One thing that I find that Apple does that I would like others (not only Android) to do as well is to have demos available for potential customers to play with. At the Apple store, I could pick up an iPhone, MacBook Air, iPad, etc. and try it out. I go to a phone/electronics store and most of the phones they have are fakes with the home screen painted on. Now I don't expect that they have demos of all devices, but at least a few of the high end, feature devices of the week/month should be available for people to try out and compare. I like to experience something tangible instead of just seeing the glitzy advertising pitch.

Two words: Best Buy - in the UK anyway. This retailer is new to our shores and brings a breath of fresh air in that everything is there to be tinkered with rather than a collection of dummies bolted to the shelf...the worst example being Tesco.
 
The question.... what can ANDROID learn from Apple..
I see a lot about device updates.... that's not an 'Android' issue but a carrier/manufacturer issue.
It does not appear to be an issue on the Nexus line.... and those could be said represent Android officially.

You need to kick the carriers and manufacturers and Google needs to put them back in line.

The only way I can see this happening is if they leverage their apps against the carriers and manufacturers and say.. no gapps if you don't provide at least 2 updates and whatever security fixes are needed for x number of years.

Other than that, I don't think there is a damned thing that 'Android' (being a community effort) learn from Apple.
I like it the way it is. :D
 
this may not be apple related but i remember reading somewhere that symbian had support for themes. I think if android had at least some theme support than maybe phones with sense or motoblur would be upgraded faster
 
this may not be apple related but i remember reading somewhere that symbian had support for themes. I think if android had at least some theme support than maybe phones with sense or motoblur would be upgraded faster

it does, but the theming system is basic, like the T-Mo system in CM7
Sense has custom apps and launcher, as well as a theme, Motoblur isnt as extreme.... good point tho
 
I personally think that Android needs to pick up on Apples stability (Mostly in hardware, Semi in software). Though I have to give it to the android team, This is still a fairly new OS in terms of time. It's got a lot of space and room for improvement. Apple has spent a lot of time with their products, So they've earned their reputation quite meticulously (Be that good or bad). Though I personally like Android just for the simple fact that I find it easier to customize, Surely it's more simple to root than to unlock/jailbreak. I also think that in time android will most likely start to serve up it's own "Pimped out hardware" so to speak. As with all preferences though, You'll always have people who are loyal to brand. Just as I'm prone to buying a PC than a Mac, I'll have my own choice to make in the phone arena as well. The good thing about Android in my eyes is that they are just now making a major name for themselves. As I see it, They've really got only one way to go. That's up. ^^.
 
I personally think that Android needs to pick up on Apples stability (Mostly in hardware, Semi in software).

I'm not entirely convinced that Apple's devices are any more stable than my Android phone. I have some minor issues with my Android, but from the people I know who have iPhones, they have similar minor issues.
 
Android needs a better music player. The default player (or anything else in the market, for that matter) doesn't even come close to the iTunes + iPod experience. I'm trying to choose between an Android advice and an iPhone right now, and that's one of the main factors I'm looking at.
 
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