Root What do the 2.2 ROMs get you?

[doogald]

Thanks. The thing I probably want most in the Voice dialer that I only saw so far in the rep's Incredible, is the ability to make the call with only one touch of the phone. The rest of the actions happen thru voice. I'm not as worried about data usage since talking with the rep (yes I'm aware that ymmv applies)

I didn't go too far with this, but I did get a confirmation each time that I said something - a pop up on the display - so it wasn't exactly one-touch. Perhaps there is a setting to make it one touch? I do not know.

I was just looking for info on how to easily root my phone to 2.2. When I read your list above I see a multi-step learning curve:

The single best resource for this is ErisUser1's "Universal Eris root for dummies" procedure, which will answer most of your questions and walk you through the process. http://androidforums.com/eris-all-things-root/127861-universal-eris-root-dummies.html

- copy CELB and the Google apps package to the SD card
I'm a bit lost already..where do I get Celeb and the google apps package. I haven't tried to access the card yet but I guess I can figure out how.

You can get CELB and the Google apps from links that are here: [ROM][GPL] CELB Froyo 4.3(Plain CM Rom)1-21-11 - xda-developers

The actual download location for CELB is here: http://www.androidphiles.com/files/get/OXWOsl4u2x/celbfroyo4.3.zip

For the Google apps package: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5642362/gapps-mdpi-20101008-signed.zip

I recommend that you download the files to your computer and copy them to the SD card on your phone from there. Basically, after they download, you connect the phone to your computer using the USB cable. It should prompt you (on the phone, quite audibly) with a notification that you can mount the SD card to your computer. Choose to do so; that should create a drive letter on your computer (assuming you have a Windows PC; if you have a Mac, it will just look like an external disk), and from there you drag those two files to the SD card drive. After the copy is complete, dismount the drive from your Windows PC, just as you would an external disk or thumb drive, and then, from your phone, go into Notifications to disconnect the drive from your PC so that it will be remounted on the phone.

- restart in Recovery[/B]
Um, maybe the manual describes this.

- Nandroid backup what you are running now, in case you want to go back
I've heard of Nandroid but not sure what it is yet. Backup app?

- go to the Wipe menu and Wip data/factory reset and Wipe Dalvik cache
Huh?

- flash CELB
Have to read about this...

- flash Google apps
Have to read about this too...

All of this is described in excellent details and illustrations on Universal Eris root for Dummies. The only difference is, that unlike most custom ROMs, you have that one extra step to flash the Google apps package after your flash the CELB ROM, but it's basically the same step, just done with Google apps rather than CELB. So, just to be complete, you will do the step in Figure 40 on the fourth post of that thread to Flash the CELB zip file, then you will do it again to flash the Google apps package. Then you restart the phone.

... or maybe even a link to a "one-click-root" trick I've heard about. I was just looking at a utube vid using something called Z4Root. Are one click roots for real? Safe? Do they do the pre-root backup too?

I have not seen that video myself, but the Universal root for dummies is pretty simple. It may not be 1-click, but the procedures are well-documented and assume that you have little knowledge starting out. I recommend it myself.

 

[LocalHero]

Thanks, I'd just discovered the Eris Rooting Guide sticky thread. I don't know if it's worth it if voice dial isn't going to happen as I want but what the hell, I've already spent as much time as it will take to root the phone I suppose...

 

[LocalHero]

Um, I guess I'm more of a Dummy than even I expected..
I haven't gotten thru the first step yet. I can find Gscript lite via my phone thru the market but for some reason my phone has a very tenuous connection with my router so the install never works.
So I figure I'll just connect w/pc and transfer it over. only I can't find the app on Google apps (gscript - did not return any listings) and I can't even figure out how to search on Android.com/market.
I did come up with this page:
GScript Lite ~ Android Application v1.1.2 By PinkVenture | Tools
but I'll be danged if I can find how to download it there.
I thought it would be safer to get it from the official google site too.

I've connected the phone to the pc and can access it as a drive, but I don't see the sd card there so I'm not sure how I'd move a file to it anyway.
I'm not trying to make this hard, but HOW do I access the sd card?

I did find and download EStrongs File Explorer.

 

[LocalHero]

OK again...I've gotten GScripts lite and ES Explorer loaded onto the phone just using my data connection. When I start up ES Explorer, the first screen says "SD card unmounted or not present."
Maybe that's why I couldn't see it via the pc?
Anyway I now have to figure out how to mount the card. The card is a 2mb card. Will that be enough for all the rooting process?

 

[doogald]

OK again...I've gotten GScripts lite and ES Explorer loaded onto the phone just using my data connection. When I start up ES Explorer, the first screen says "SD card unmounted or not present."
Maybe that's why I couldn't see it via the pc?

Usually when you connect your PC to your phone by cable, your phone will notify you and ask if you want to make a data connection. If you choose yes to this (or whatever the choice is with stock Eris - I cannot recall exactly), it will dismount the SD card from the phone and mount it to the PC (they both cannot be mounted at the same time.) When you are done copying files, and dismount the SD card mount point from the PC, you are then to tell the phone that it can mount the SD card again. Perhaps you chose this option to mount to your PC but did not re-mount it? (Though I doubt it, because you say that you downloaded the files to the SD card on the phone.)

Anyway, you could try restarting the phone and see if EStrongs sees the card?

The card is a 2mb card. Will that be enough for all the rooting process?

2 MB or 2 GB? That's a big difference. 2 MB card is way too small; a 2 GB card is on the small side, but it will work. CELB plus Google apps takes up about 100 MB, give or take a few, and each Nandroid backup that you run takes up about that much as well. The scripts that you run from GScripts Lite are pretty small.

 

[LocalHero]

Usually when you connect your PC to your phone by cable, your phone will notify you and ask if you want to make a data connection. If you choose yes to this (or whatever the choice is with stock Eris - I cannot recall exactly), it will dismount the SD card from the phone and mount it to the PC (they both cannot be mounted at the same time.) When you are done copying files, and dismount the SD card mount point from the PC, you are then to tell the phone that it can mount the SD card again. Perhaps you chose this option to mount to your PC but did not re-mount it? (Though I doubt it, because you say that you downloaded the files to the SD card on the phone.)

Anyway, you could try restarting the phone and see if EStrongs sees the card?

Thanks. I wish I could post every time I make some progress but I've gotten the card thing worked out by rebooting the phone and other minor gymnastics I can't remember.

2 MB or 2 GB? That's a big difference. 2 MB card is way too small; a 2 GB card is on the small side, but it will work. CELB plus Google apps takes up about 100 MB, give or take a few, and each Nandroid backup that you run takes up about that much as well. The scripts that you run from GScripts Lite are pretty small.

Yes, gb not mb. A bit of dyslexia there, ha ha...

Ahem, anyway I've gotten thru downloading the files, unpacking the zip file and I have celeb on the sd card and ready to go... I don't see instructions for backing up yet. Is that still to come before I wipe out the 2.1 that I have on there now?
I get a little nervous at this point...

 

[doogald]

Yes, gb not mb. A bit of dyslexia there, ha ha...

Ahem, anyway I've gotten thru downloading the files, unpacking the zip file and I have celeb on the sd card and ready to go... I don't see instructions for backing up yet. Is that still to come before I wipe out the 2.1 that I have on there now?
I get a little nervous at this point...

Read down to post four in Universal root and you'll see that you will be coming to that before you install CELB.

Also, there is a way to unroot by flashing a different ROM, so you can go right back to where you are if it comes to that.

 

[LocalHero]

s*%#, it's not working. I got to root part 2 and everything seemed to be happening as planned but instead of text saying "congratulations you have root!" mine says:
"stderr: error writing recovery: permission denied"
"Oops - what happened?"

any ideas?

 

[LocalHero]

I read this from the instructions:
[SIZE=-1]A number of people have reported that the Vol-Up + End/Power key combination does not boot the custom recovery, but instead just boots the normal phone O/S. If this happens to you, instead, use Vol-Down + End/Power to boot into HBOOT mode, and then press Vol-Up to start the Amon_RA Recovery

[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]I'm don't really understand what that's saying, but should I do that?
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[doogald]

When you added the two scripts to GScript in step 2, did you remember to uncheck the option "needs SU"?

After you ran Part 1, did you restart the phone and come back to run step 2?

 

[LocalHero]

Trying to figure out what going wrong, these are things that seemed to happen not exactly as per the instructions...
When I tapped the root_part1 icon in gscript lite, it didn't take me to the battery check screen directly, it seemed to put a shortcut to root_part1 on my homescreen. when i tapped that, then I went to the battery check screen.

Also, I thought I was powering the phone off by holding the vol up and the green, red keys simultaneously. That rebooted the phone and I accepted that as what I was supposed to do. Yes?

 

[LocalHero]

When you added the two scripts to GScript in step 2, did you remember to uncheck the option "needs SU"?

After you ran Part 1, did you restart the phone and come back to run step 2?

needs su was definitely unchecked on both files. OP had me make sure of that multiple times and I did every time!

 

[LocalHero]

Also, root_part2 did the same thing as 1....instead of launching directly, it created a shortcut on my homepage and I launched from there.

 

[LocalHero]

I went back and re-ran the steps from root_part1 and this time turning the phone off properly. that seemed to make hte difference. I now have root.

 

[doogald]

Also, I thought I was powering the phone off by holding the vol up and the green, red keys simultaneously. That rebooted the phone and I accepted that as what I was supposed to do. Yes?

No, typically restart is hold down the power (red) key until a menu pops up, shut off the phone. When it is completely off, press the red key again until you see it start to power up.

 

[LocalHero]

So now I have Celb and I thank you for your help.

I'll play with this one but if I want to change it out, do I just download a different rom to the card and then re-run that same process minus installing Gscript Lite and ES File Explorer and downloading gscript.zip (since I already have them)?

And what if I want to revert back to where I was?

 

[doogald]

So now I have Celb and I thank you for your help.

I'm glad that it worked!

I'll play with this one but if I want to change it out, do I just download a different rom to the card and then re-run that same process minus installing Gscript Lite and ES File Explorer and downloading gscript.zip (since I already have them)?

Right, once you have the gscript process done, your phone is rooted, you have a custom recovery, and there is no need to root. Basically, from now on you will follow the steps that start on the fourth post:

- copy or download a ROM to your SD Card. If you download it, use Estrongs to move the file from your /downloads folder to the root directory of the SD card.

- restart in Recovery

- Backup/Restore menu, do a Nandroid backup

- Go to the Wipe menu, wipe data and wipe Dalvik cache

- Go to the flash menu, flash the new ROM, and flash Google apps or anything else, if the new ROM requires it

- Restart the phone.

And what if I want to revert back to where I was?

If you followed the steps to create a Nandroid backup:

- Restart the phone in Recovery
- Go to the wipe menu, wipe data/factory reset and Wipe Dalvik cache
- Go to the backup menu, choose Nandroid Restore, and restore the backup that you created today
- Restart the phone.

 

[LocalHero]

Ok, I followed that and it worked and boosted my confidence in this whole business.

Thanks, I'll look into other roms when I have time.

 

[doogald]

Ok, I followed that and it worked and boosted my confidence in this whole business.

Thanks, I'll look into other roms when I have time.

Well, the real question is will the voice dialing included with CELB work for you?

Oh, by the way, you may want to go into the market and update any Google apps that have updates. There have been plenty since that Google apps package was put together. Obviously, you'll want to make sure that WiFi is working first, of course.

 

[erisuser1]

I'm glad LocalHero got rooted successfully.

Honestly, nothing needs to be done about it, but I did want to stop in and drop a "WTF bomb"

Also, root_part2 did the same thing as 1....instead of launching directly, it created a shortcut on my homepage and I launched from there.

WTF???

I'm completely clueless how that might have happened.

eu1

 

[LocalHero]

Well, the real question is will the voice dialing included with CELB work for you?

Oh, by the way, you may want to go into the market and update any Google apps that have updates. There have been plenty since that Google apps package was put together. Obviously, you'll want to make sure that WiFi is working first, of course.

Voice dial in Celb didn't seem to work like it did on the V reps Incredible. He thought that it wouldn't work on the Eris because (according to him) the Eris couldn't run 2.2. That's why I was hopeful. It didn't seem to work and I've already reverted back to my 2.1 (partly for practice) but I can see trying others.
Truth is I'm beginning to live with the idea that I won't get my voice dial at this time with Android. However it's so much nicer than the old winmo that I had on my Omnia that I can't see going back to that.

 

[LocalHero]

I'm glad LocalHero got rooted successfully.

Honestly, nothing needs to be done about it, but I did want to stop in and drop a "WTF bomb"


WTF???

I'm completely clueless how that might have happened.

eu1

I"m not sure I kept track of all that happened, but I think that when I re-ran them it didn't happen the second time (maybe not til the 3rd time). I'd read your instructions carefully and noted that running the root scripts program more than once was pretty harmless so I didn't hesitate to try it again. It definitely did it the first time though and in fact I even ended up with the shortcuts on my homepage and had to trash them.

 

[doogald]

Voice dial in Celb didn't seem to work like it did on the V reps Incredible. He thought that it wouldn't work on the Eris because (according to him) the Eris couldn't run 2.2.

I don't have an Incredible, but I wonder instead if it's that HTC's 2.2 Sense has a more sophisticated voice dialer app, just as HTC customized other apps in their Android proprietary build? I know that people are working on 2.2 based Sense ROMs for the Eris, but they seem to be stuck with some things that don't work (namely, for one thing, the camera.)

 

[erisuser1]

I"m not sure I kept track of all that happened, but I think that when I re-ran them it didn't happen the second time (maybe not til the 3rd time). I'd read your instructions carefully and noted that running the root scripts program more than once was pretty harmless so I didn't hesitate to try it again. It definitely did it the first time though and in fact I even ended up with the shortcuts on my homepage and had to trash them.

Well... hard to say what happened. I know for a fact those scripts don't place shortcuts on the user's home pages (I ought to know, as I'm the one that wrote them, and they don't do anything near that clever ), and I also tried to get Gscript Lite to do something like that (drop a shortcut) but failed. Maybe you were using the paid version of Gscript? Dunno - I'm mystified.

No worries, though - you are rooted now. Let's agree to never speak of this again

eu1

 

[scotty85]

I don't have an Incredible, but I wonder instead if it's that HTC's 2.2 Sense has a more sophisticated voice dialer app, just as HTC customized other apps in their Android proprietary build?

if this is the case,give xtrSense a try if you dont mind being 2.1
[ROM][GPL][11/5/2010] xtrSENSE4.6.5 [cache2cache,apps2sd,oc,jit]-HTC Sense - xda-developers
its fast,smooth,stable,and has a very stock feel.

know that people are working on 2.2 based Sense ROMs for the Eris, but they seem to be stuck with some things that don't work (namely, for one thing, the camera.)

if youre feeling frisky and want to play with 2.2 sense, try tenzo
[ROM][BETA]Tenzo2.2.1 - Froyo-Sense, Cache2Cache, Wifi, GPS, CFSv8[11-21-10] - xda-developers

the bug list is pretty short,with camera being the biggest item.i ran it for a whole day it was smooth and stable for me. it may not be "daily driver" status yet,but its neat to play with

glad you got it figured out and are now rooted