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where did the common sense go? stupid judge!!!

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dan330

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Common sense isn't so common these days, especially among those enforcing the law apparently.

But rules are rules, no matter who you are. Now those hooligans who skip weeks of class, earn fails, are involved in gangs, etc. Will have to think twice about skipping school... oh wait, they're not there enough to be noticed ......... (comment based on personal experience at my high school)
 
judges that make stupid dumb decisions.. should spend time in jail and a fine...
then they would spend a little more time thinking..............................
 
dan330 said:
judges that make stupid dumb decisions.. should spend time in jail and a fine...
then they would spend a little more time thinking..............................
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While i normally would agree the issue at times isnt the judge as much as it is the law. The issue are those that take advantage of the law. In this case the courts should have investigated the parents. In Georgia if a child has 10 unexcused absences the the parents could face jail time. I disagree with this law and think its stupid because i am out working to support the delinquent. However there are those parents that know their children are not going to school and dont care. So it really becomes a question of Where do we draw the line
 
argedion said:
While i normally would agree the issue at times isnt the judge as much as it is the law. The issue are those that take advantage of the law. In this case the courts should have investigated the parents. In Georgia if a child has 10 unexcused absences the the parents could face jail time. I disagree with this law and think its stupid because i am out working to support the delinquent. However there are those parents that know their children are not going to school and dont care. So it really becomes a question of Where do we draw the line
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You can't blame a parent for truant kids. After they drop you off there's not much they can do. Unless they can monitor them 24/7, I think its overboard. After my mom dropped me off at school, I found ways to get out. She wasn't able to stop me because she didn't know. She shouldn't have had to pay if they decided to do something about it
Yes it contradicts my first post but I can't believe they did this to a "good" kid :/
 
I held back from immediately posting in this thread because quite frankly I hadnt read the full story.... only headlines......... and on the surface it would lead people to make complete fools of themselves by posting how big an idiot the judge is etc

I was also a bit conflicted in my overall feelings about the case

on one hand I have to congratulate anyone with strong work ethic.... a person willing to make sacrifices in order to help their family as opposed to the entitlement class america has become....... this girl could easily sit back and coast along through school while her family sucks from the welfare system like many would

on the other hand...... there are many different facets as to why this judge did the appropriate thing....

not the least of which........ school is much more important than working to support family members that dont even live in the same house as you..... if everyone criticizing the judge would forget the particulars for a minute and look at it from a different perspective...... if she never does better in life than working 2 part time jobs because she didnt get a good education...... will you all blame our education system for this? will you be the first in line to coddle her with welfare because it wasnt her fault she didnt get her education?

and this is exactly why the laws are the laws...... and exactly why its not an argument of "its not the judge its the law"..... the argument is this is a judge appropriately following the law..... hes doing his job and doing a fine job at that

do I have a good answer for this unfortunate girls situation........nope..... in any other case the girl would be removed from the home and placed in foster care if her father cant do a good enough job raising her........ but thats certainly not a beneficial result

Im happy her brother is off in college...... its not this girls job to support him....... and Im happy her sister is living with another family who apparently was better suited to raiser her........ its not this girls job to support her either

this girls job is to ABOVE ALL ELSE go to school...... if she cannot do that.... then she needs some motivation to start doing it......... a single night in jail might have been the ticket....... has she missed any more school since then?
 
copestag said:
this girls job is to ABOVE ALL ELSE go to school...... if she cannot do that.... then she needs some motivation to start doing it......... a single night in jail might have been the ticket....... has she missed any more school since then?
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You make some good points but I don't see how in any case punishing someone for juggling all these responsibilities it right. Are you saying it put her on the right path? Because it seems like she was already on it.

Like I said, you make a good point but all the " zero tolerance" mentality is insane,IMO.

Just like the kid that got suspended for having a (butter?) knife in their car. The reasoning was "a weapon is a weapon is a weapon"

Although I'm sure it had an impact on her attendance, I can't accept that it was a reasonable punishment or that punishment was required . Will she quit her jobs now? What effect will that have?
 
I cant agree that its not the best approach........ she happens to be the exception to the rule......... Im sure 99.99% of people with truancy problems arent due to circumstances like this........ but we cannot create special laws for every possible exception...... the law seems appropriate and appropriately followed

what was the possible punishment...... could she have received 10 years in prison and he gave her 1 night in jail? this would make it seem he was overly lenient wouldnt it? or was the maximum punishment 1 night in jail and he could have simply given her 1 hour a day detention...... this would make his punishment seem harsh..... I dont know the maximum....... but at any rate was 1 night in jail extreme? absolutely not......... most could use a night in jail from time to time for something Im sure...... its not like she had time to get a bunch of tats and become berthas cigarette bitch or anything

as for zero tolerance...... Id say this is a pretty tolerant law....... far from zero...... they allow 10 days in 6 months without legitimate excuse (unlimited by law with legitimate excuse) ........ she averaged 'guestimated' 3 missed days every month according to the story...... she was far above their already lenient policy

and where exactly do we draw the line on mitigating circumstances? what about a man that robs a bank because his family is hungry? should he be allowed walk because of mitigating circumstances.......... a line has to be drawn somewhere on everything......... and in the case of truancy they drew a line and she spit on them as she ran past it

I dont question her integrity or her ethics....... from the story it sounds like she has a good head on her shoulders and should do well for herself....... but remember this.... the law is there to protect her ...... to ensure shes getting her education
 
Hmmm, so I guess you think when someone is speeding, running red lights to get a loved one to the hospital because they need emergency treatment, those individuals should be ticketed for speeding, running a red light etc? I mean, "we cannot create special laws for every possible exception" right?
 
actually YES........ a person who risks the lives of countless others in an attempt to save 1 absolutely should be fined or worse......... call 911

would I do the same thing in the situation...... sure I would run the red lights and speed and do whatever it took to get to the hospital....... Id do it every time

the difference is Im a big boy...... and in the big boy world we have to live with the consequences of our actions..... so if I had to pay a few hundred dolllars in fines but saved the life of my loved one..... Id accept those consequences........ its what big boys do

but I would also realize..... as a big boy....... that what I did was reckless and stupid........ I could have very easily killed many people because of my actions
 
mpw said:
. I bet the interim of the law was to stop those students NOT putting in the effort and failing.
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This is why the punishment was unfair and why , IMO, it shouldn't be a law is the law situation.

As for the running red lights comparison, kind of overboard. I would imagine most people would call an ambulance and emergency vehicles do have sirens for a reason...


I do see the reasoning behind it but can't support it. It still feels wrong........
 
mpw said:
Houston & Georgia according to the article
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Sure. But definitely not taking care of her or guiding her.
is it the judge who lacks common sense or the parents who allowed this high school girl to believe that it was her responsibility to take care of her family that is lacking common sense here?

Word-and- study balance is a wonderful thing, but obviously it was unbalanced, therefore she missed school.

If anyone was to blame, I would say it was her parents.

If they were orphaned and there was no other way but for her to support to keep the family together etc, then sure i would be on the girls defense...
 
Shinji01 said:
Sure. But definitely not taking care of her or guiding her.
is it the judge who lacks common sense or the parents who allowed this high school girl to believe that it was her responsibility to take care of her family that is lacking common sense here?

Word-and- study balance is a wonderful thing, but obviously it was unbalanced, therefore she missed school.

If anyone was to blame, I would say it was her parents.

If they were orphaned and there was no other way but for her to support to keep the family together etc, then sure i would be on the girls defense...
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The law was written to ensure that the student would attend school. The reason to attend school is to be successful as an adult. The girl WAS doing well in school (unless you think an A without a "+" behind it is substandard).

One thing I've learned to hate about our society is what's passed as a law just because it has a "feel good" vibe to it. This law was written to ensure success in school. If success is being achieved then why punish this hard working girl? If anything, the girl SHOULD be rewarded for her resolve and her devotion to family. Instead, this idiot of a judge has decided to rule against reason and against a hard working girl that is putting her family above herself. Keep up the good work Judge, punish those who mean well without impunity and compassion.... :rolleyes:
 
Shinji01 said:
Sure. But definitely not taking care of her or guiding her.
is it the judge who lacks common sense or the parents who allowed this high school girl to believe that it was her responsibility to take care of her family that is lacking common sense here?

Word-and- study balance is a wonderful thing, but obviously it was unbalanced, therefore she missed school.

If anyone was to blame, I would say it was her parents.

If they were orphaned and there was no other way but for her to support to keep the family together etc, then sure i would be on the girls defense...
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i agree the parents are the ones that caused the situation..
they divorced and left the kids to fend for themselves...

what can the girl do?
she did what she could with what she could ... for now..
work 2 jobs to help support her siblings..(cant get enough sleep)
kept up with her school.. still making "A" in honor classes. (stumbles and misses the school).

in comes the judge.... thinks about the situation.. the parents are gone, but he student is here in front of me.
- since you cant make it to school.. he will help her.. put her in jail .. good nights rest so you can go to class.
- since you cant get your finances in order.. here is a fine of $100.. to teach you the value of money.

yeah.. the judge did NOT help the situation and did not use common sense...or try to use his power/resources to help. he could have ordered the gov system to help give her info to gov support services for a child in this situation.

i think the student is doing a great job with what she has..
 
Where I'm from, a kid in this situation would be in a gang and nowhere close to getting A's in regular classes, much less honor classes......actually, they wouldn't be at school much to begin with. I'm surprised the law wouldn't actually concentrate on these individuals instead of this example for teens and adults alike.........
 
dan330 said:
reading it.. there seams to be some more info that needs to come to light.
this girl has other issues with the law.. .and "bullying" ..
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The word bullying is thrown around way too much these days. If I got it right, the girl had been making prank phone calls to another girl. What have we come to when prank phone calls are considered 'issues with the law?' Punish her, fine but 30 days incarcerated and have her hair publicly cut? That kind of seems like eye for an eye.... great when dealing with a murderer/rapist (and I mean great) but too harsh for a 13 year old pulling some shenanigans.

I made plenty of prank phone calls as a kid. I never cut a 3 year olds hair off but i m sure I tormented my younger sister as well. I'd hate to imagine where I'd be had I been incarcerated for doing those things.......

Although Ill keep a look on it to see if they "forgot" to include some other important information. But that hardly happens, right? ;)
 
i agree.. prank calls are not a big thing..

but since she has been doing it to the same person.. and bad enough to be in court for it... i am just sayin there is more to this story.
 
mpw said:
Just to clarify, you're condoning the rape of rapists as a punishment?
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Don't look too much into it, it wasn't meant like that... Not meant that society should have a system where we punish rapists with rape. Not saying they dont deserve it though.
 
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