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Where Does Self Defense End? Killer of Robber Convicted of Murder
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jamor
Android Expert
lol. That's completely unrealistic. Police can't protect you and your family from a would be killer. What are they going to sit outside your front door all day like the Royal guard?
cds0699
Android Expert
No but if the guy is threatening you, then there has to be something realistically that can be done (longer jail time for the robber), regardless threats are no excuse to kill the guy, no matter what he says hes going to do.
Bolded is the real point of that post.
And furthermore, if you want my real opinion. There was no reason for any shots to be fired in the 1st place. The number one rule of working in a store, if you're being robbed, just give up the petty money/merchandise (petty in the grand scheme of things), and let the robbers have whatever they want... and let the police handle it. Nothing in that store is worth anyones life.
no..i agree.. in most cases.. threats mean shit.. most times its just talk...
in a robbery... owner should have just let them take the carp they wanted.. he should have insurance.
but this is a store robber and was not afraid of deadly force to get what he wants. so his words would be weight very heavy with me.
in a robbery... owner should have just let them take the carp they wanted.. he should have insurance.
but this is a store robber and was not afraid of deadly force to get what he wants. so his words would be weight very heavy with me.
cds0699
Android Expert
I can kinda see your point, but lets think about it for a second. These robbers were young teenage kids, they most likely didn't think/expect the pharmacy employee to come back at them shooting. They probably thought it would be a easy, in and out, and grab a few hundo (still beyond stupid obviously, but that's what most of these people think).
So therefore the "not afraid of deadly force" is unlikely imo (I bet they were def afraid of deadly force).... but all of this is speculation because none of us know what they were thinking, would have done, or if the wounded kid was threatening while on the ground.
in the heat of the moment.. after chasing one out... emotions are high... scared shitless... panic....
(speculation true)
then the little shit that ruined my day.. and shop.. and business for the day...
starts to threatin my family .... i dont know what I would do...
(speculation true)
then the little shit that ruined my day.. and shop.. and business for the day...
starts to threatin my family .... i dont know what I would do...
G.Armour
You know you want to.
Exactly, the least they should've done was plead him down to temporary insanity. And really we don't know what's going on with the guy on the ground, he may have said he had another gun in his pocket.
Crude
Android Expert
I honestly shocked that anyone would defend the robber along with some of the other completely unrealistic suggestions here? The criminal died and the other criminal was charged. I don't feel sorry for the kid, but I do have some sympathy for the store owner. His hard work was threatened and now this productive member of society will loose everything because some scum ruined his day.
His day was ruined by getting robbed. His life is ruined because he decided to enact a punishment on his own, and kill the kid. The kid didnt commit a crime that would face the death penalty. The guy decided to be the judge, jury, and executioner. Next time someone cuts me off, I wont take the same approach, and run the guy down. That is murder. The pharmacist was rightly convicted of murder in my opinion.
Kelmar
Done by choice
I'm going to put my foot in my mouth with this response....
Dude busts into the store waving around a gun. IMO, if you rob a place with a gun and get killed in the process, no foul.
From what I've seen and heard of this, the pharm walked back in and shot the guy because he was still moving. Does anyone know if it was just a twitch or if the robber was reaching for his gun or ...???
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Dude busts into the store waving around a gun. IMO, if you rob a place with a gun and get killed in the process, no foul.
From what I've seen and heard of this, the pharm walked back in and shot the guy because he was still moving. Does anyone know if it was just a twitch or if the robber was reaching for his gun or ...???
Crude said:
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Crude
Android Expert
Also, "cutting you off" isn't a crime. It's considered bad form but it's not illegal. I don't disagree with the verdict....but I wouldn't have sat on the jury with a conviction....that would have been bad form also.
Failing to yeild the right of way is going against the law. So, my analogy stands. Albeit, a lesser degree, but where do you draw the line on it being OKAY to enact your own punishment? How about a store owner that has had his merchendise stolen by a shoplifter, can he then gun the guy down?
The KID had no gun, and if he wasnt murdered by the pharmacist, he wouldnt have faced the death penalty.
ElasticNinja
Android Expert
^ I thought it was an armed robbery? >_>
Look at the video, do you see the kid that got shot with a gun? I dont. Even IF he did, he still would NOT have faced the death penelty. The pharmacist decided to play the judge, jury, and EXECUTIONER.
ElasticNinja
Android Expert
I can't watch video ATM, but he could've had a gun somewhere and his accomplice was armed
Still murder
Still murder
golfingator
Newbie
It's a shame. He was perfectly in his rights up until the time he retrieved the second gun. At that point it went from self defense to murder.
This is the kind of stuff that gives legal and responsible gun owners a bad name. I feel sorry for the family of the dead kid; based on his activity though he was certainly not looking to live for long.
This is the kind of stuff that gives legal and responsible gun owners a bad name. I feel sorry for the family of the dead kid; based on his activity though he was certainly not looking to live for long.
The guy WALKED BACK INTO THE STORE. He was OUT of harms way. He could have called the cops from the neighboring bussiness. There is NO way to justify what the guy did. And again, the kid that got shot, was NOT waiving a gun around.
I am not justifying the kid, nor am I saying he would have become a productive member of society. What I will say, is, that if he didnt die, he would have been shot, spent a few yearsa in jail, and MAYBE he would have learned his lesson. MAYBE, he could have become a productive member of society, that happened to make a dumb move as a kid. I am pretty sure EVERYONE has made some dumb moves in their life.
Gavisann
Android Enthusiast
Murder.
If the kid was down on the floor he is no longer a threat to the store clerk. It annoys me to see people like this man trying to hide behind self defense.
If the clerk was worried that the kid would hurt him, he could have handcuffed him or tied his hands and legs. Then call the cops.
If the kid was down on the floor he is no longer a threat to the store clerk. It annoys me to see people like this man trying to hide behind self defense.
If the clerk was worried that the kid would hurt him, he could have handcuffed him or tied his hands and legs. Then call the cops.
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Dark Jedi
Guest
Even if the kid had a gun. The owner was outside and safe. Like said he could have went to another business to call the cops and stayed there. So by walking back in to that store he had only one reason to and that was to finish off that person. Cops will even tell you if you can get out do not go back in to a dangerous situation.
Kelmar
Done by choice
I base my view on this scenario. If someone broke into my house and one had a gun and the other did not, at that point I consider them both armed. I'm not shooting to stop one, I'm shooting to stop both. Even if I make it outdoors, I'm still going to protect my house and property.
Like Crude said and I quoted initially, "the pharm was wrong, but if I was on the jury I would have voted differently."
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