I'm not sure what "dumb" in quotation marks means, but I know a lot of smart people who use and like iOS. I prefer Android, but I'm not going to bash iPhone users.
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Why Android is a failure
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Just an observation with the chart. Only looking for the moment at iOS and Android, it shows trending for the second quarter of 2012 that iOS will increase while Android is leveling off with a slight decrease. In actuality, both are increasing market share, with Android's growth continuing to surpass iOS.
The chart has it's plotting a little off as well. Currently (Q2, 2012) Android is close to 52% while iOS is above 34%.
Source: Nielsen smartphone numbers 2Q 2012: Android, iOS dominate
More interesting is that this phenomenal growth for both platforms has rendered the previous market leaders (Symbian and RIM) insignificant.
chanchan05
The Doctor
I think the Q1 2012 part of the chart represents only projected growth. Hence the dotted lines.
Mostly Harmless
Android Expert
With 52% of the US market I don't even know why we are discussing this thread, sorry Android isn't a failure, pretty sure those numbers prove it. Enjoy your iPhone.
Oh, also, the 1 million member count to Androidforums probably would disagree too, and that's just this site alone.
Oh, also, the 1 million member count to Androidforums probably would disagree too, and that's just this site alone.
Logan47
Android Enthusiast
Millions worldwide would disagree with the OP as they have put there money into android devices and continue to do so. Hardly a scenario for investing in failure.
Without making a equally long post I have to say your view is not held up by growing user numbers. Please bear in mind most uses want a reasonably priced device which does the things they need and most needs are not too demanding. They don't spend.much time on android forums or considering analysis of their chosen system. I think OP is over complicating something which for the average user is not something that exists.
Without making a equally long post I have to say your view is not held up by growing user numbers. Please bear in mind most uses want a reasonably priced device which does the things they need and most needs are not too demanding. They don't spend.much time on android forums or considering analysis of their chosen system. I think OP is over complicating something which for the average user is not something that exists.
Demache
Android Expert
I don't think he means literal dumb. He means the kind of people who just buy a smartphone for phone calls and maybe a couple apps and Facebook. They don't really care about how the phone works or what it can do, just that it "does" .
I would not say that the greater number of sales means that the Android OS is better than iOS. First of all, alot of new users buy an Android because they offer cheaper options (eg get a free phone without locking into a data plan). Secondly, it is my personal opinion that the often lousy support and slow upgrades by most Android manufacturers cause many people to dump their existing android phones/tablets and buying new ones.
Android manufacturers make money by selling you a new phone not by making you happy with your existing phone. Android manufacturers probably do not make as much money as Apple selling you higher priced higher margin and higher quality phones, keeping you happy to stay in the ecosystem by updating and encouraging you to keep your existing phone, selling you content like apps, music and other digital content and selling you other fully compatible hardware and software.
IMO, if any consumer is dumb or ignorant, it may those who buy Androids. People are buying new Android phones which have an OS which is one to two generations old! We live with glitches and lags and just hope that the new update will fix everything. After waiting probably an average of six months, we will then get an already obsolete OS which depending which fragmented manufacturer you went with may have a whole new set of glitches and lags. But by that time, many of us will be falling over ourselves to buy the next model and to start the cycle all over again.
Android manufacturers make money by selling you a new phone not by making you happy with your existing phone. Android manufacturers probably do not make as much money as Apple selling you higher priced higher margin and higher quality phones, keeping you happy to stay in the ecosystem by updating and encouraging you to keep your existing phone, selling you content like apps, music and other digital content and selling you other fully compatible hardware and software.
IMO, if any consumer is dumb or ignorant, it may those who buy Androids. People are buying new Android phones which have an OS which is one to two generations old! We live with glitches and lags and just hope that the new update will fix everything. After waiting probably an average of six months, we will then get an already obsolete OS which depending which fragmented manufacturer you went with may have a whole new set of glitches and lags. But by that time, many of us will be falling over ourselves to buy the next model and to start the cycle all over again.
Demache
Android Expert
And that's why you get a Nexus device or root your phone. Then 2 years is a pretty realistic amount of time to keep a phone.
I'm not buying your theory, funpig.
Subsidized low-end Android phones are the same cost ($0) as low-end iPhones:
iPhone 3GS - Free iPhone 3GS (8GB) for AT&T - Apple Store (U.S.)
And the higher-priced (non-Nexus) Android phones do not tend to receive phone upgrades any faster or at all in comparison to the lower-grade Android phones.
Subsidized low-end Android phones are the same cost ($0) as low-end iPhones:
iPhone 3GS - Free iPhone 3GS (8GB) for AT&T - Apple Store (U.S.)
And the higher-priced (non-Nexus) Android phones do not tend to receive phone upgrades any faster or at all in comparison to the lower-grade Android phones.
Google revenue for this fiscal year will hit $875 million from Android alone, $835 million of which is from advertising.
As for Samsung vs Apple being the main deal, I don't see why. Apple doesn't make washing machines, cranes and trucks - and Samsung isn't all Android. They're a big player but they are not the whole Android ecosystem.
More myths dispelled from my oldies but goodies vault -
As for Samsung vs Apple being the main deal, I don't see why. Apple doesn't make washing machines, cranes and trucks - and Samsung isn't all Android. They're a big player but they are not the whole Android ecosystem.
More myths dispelled from my oldies but goodies vault -
No actual facts went in to the making of that post, but I support your right to your opinions.
shad0wboss
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Samsung is just one company which is making android smartphones along with many other famous companies such as HTC and Sony Ericsson and the reason they're all into the android is the answer to the question whether android is a fail or not. They were prolly thinking about how successful android is going to be back in 2006 when they started adopting it....and i guess the facts do answer that as well...
As EarlyMon said above, android = success
Also it's pretty interesting how OP didn't make any reply to these posts or did i miss something?
As EarlyMon said above, android = success
Also it's pretty interesting how OP didn't make any reply to these posts or did i miss something?
The often stock answer of "buy a Nexus" implies that the other Androids are inferior and supports the Apple strategy of having a uniform phone. Also, rooting puts the risk and work on the shoulders of the consumer. If you pay premium price for the technology, the consumer should not have to do this.
The iPhone 3GS is a wonderful example of Apple's support for its products. This halo phone is two generations old and more than 3 years old. Yet it can run the latest OS flawlessy. Apple is only just starting to clear them out and my wife and son each picked up a free one a few months ago with out a data plan from Telus (no longer available). Any halo Android Phone from 3 years ago still sold or supported? How about from one year ago?
Finally, it will be interesting when Google ramps up its hardware business via Motorola in the future. It only makes sense that Google will try to grab market share from Apple. But at the same time, it will also compete with and try to take market share from Samsung, Asus, HTC etc. Pure speculation on my part, but I could see Google/Motorola giving itself priority whenever there are new OS updates in the future (Hey, the rest of the Android manufacturers and consumers are already waiting 6 months to get upgrades at this point). I expect that that in the future, the mantra will be "buy a Motorola" in the future and Google will take a larger share and become more Apple-like as it gains control over the market of android hardware, software and content.
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First of all, I would like to thank everyone who has contributed to this thread. The fact that there is such interest in it is a tribute to the Android community. I would also like to thank the moderator(s) for helping this be a constructive dialogue for issues that concern Android users, and for correcting errors of historical fact that I may have helped perpetuate.
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ayaznoor
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so a "a proponent of open-source software both as a matter of principle and of economics" doesnt support the idea of common people like me and you make a living working on individual projects? I mean, iphone has all the big fish making money, what about people who can still make it better?
manchuriaceo
Member
they may not be challenged-user friendly, but android based phones are the most fun.
dr g
Android Enthusiast
The numbers are close enough to be confusing, but those are different numbers. Your chart is market share, mine is sales. Both tell a similar story though.
None of this has to do with Android being a good OS, whether it's more open, Apple revisionist history, or anything like that. Very few posts here have spoken the truth.
This is all about money, pure and simple. Google and Apple both.
Anybody here who truly believes Android Inc. aren't in it for the money and are truly fighting for openess have been fooled. They have been suckered in by the marketing machine promoting Android. Just like the Apple fanboys who get suckered in by the marketing. A fanboy is a fanboy, regardless of the OS.
This is all about money, pure and simple. Google and Apple both.
Anybody here who truly believes Android Inc. aren't in it for the money and are truly fighting for openess have been fooled. They have been suckered in by the marketing machine promoting Android. Just like the Apple fanboys who get suckered in by the marketing. A fanboy is a fanboy, regardless of the OS.
You seem to be misinformed about iOS and app support for the iP3gs.
Of all the iPhones, the iP3gs is probably still my favorite - fine, compact workhorse.
But fully supported?
Please stop with the hyperbole.
No - I mean that quite literally and I'm serious.
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