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Wikileaks owner arrested
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A.Nonymous
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I have no idea what means. What list of sites?
Again, how will this "get people killed"? It drives me bat crazy when people beat the national security/9-11/anti-terrorism drum every time they need an excuse to do something that is borderline. I swear it's like Animal Farm. No, we don't want Jones to come back. I guess that's an excuse for everything.
So we're going to punish someone without charging them with any crime for some crime that may not have even been committed. We don't know if the bank has been robbed, but just in case it has been, we'll toss you in jail without a trial for several weeks until we figure it out.
Oh come on now...you really believe no crime was committed with the theft and publishing of those documents? That's pretty off the wall.
And I it drives me bat crazy that there are those that think someone can do or say anything he pleases without regard of the impact on others.
I believe that the point was no charges related to this document (the zip download) have been put forth - only an unrelated charge of rape (at their time of occurrence, as byteware noted).
If he went to jail for 25 years for rape and rotted there, and thus ended his leaking career - with no further charges regarding the crime you allege for leaking this material - would you be satisfied?
I would not.
Because in that scenario, he'd rot with everyone _just knowing_ what his security crimes were.
I won't know his specific crimes until charges are brought and can be reviewed. IANAL. Would you know the specific crimes he's committed?
This whole situation creates a pre-trial in public, and its prejudicial to the law.
I don't care for it at all.
It only sells news ads and accomplishes nothing else.
If he's guilty of espionage, charge him head-on.
If he's not, stop trying him in the press.
That's my personal position.
A.Nonymous
Extreme Android User
If there was a crime, then charge him with one and punish him. You don't punish someone without charging them with a crime.
I'm sorry, but that's how free speech works. Free speech does not just protect popular speech no matter how much you think popular speech is the only speech that should be protected.
M
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Ja I am sorry but I totally agree with the OP here... And please could everyone read these articles, it is very important.
WikiLeaks 'will not be threatened' by Pentagon - U.S. news - Security - msnbc.com
BBC News - Wikileaks 'hacked ahead of secret US document release' (madness takes it's toll)
NO GOVERNMENTS can be trusted EVER... they are scum and will always be scum... i am great supporter of human rights. When I heard about this some time ago it was very disturbing news sorry to say...
Why?
1) Governments DO NOT like freedom of thought....and the word freedom in general...
2) Governments like to keep you uneducated... and keep you in a "happy" bubble with them controlling your thoughts...
3) Governments like to steal from their population "behind closed doors" and don't want anyone to find out about it...
4) Governments .... are basically serious scum that should be changed frequently like dirty diapers...
5) Governments are very evil and should give out ALL of their info to their population... because after all... those people have a RIGHT to know what their crazy governments are doing with their money and tax money etc and their resources...
This is horrible news for man kinds freedom and individuality... hopefully wikileaks will survive and point out criminal Government scum like they really are...
This is very bad news indeed.
WikiLeaks 'will not be threatened' by Pentagon - U.S. news - Security - msnbc.com
BBC News - Wikileaks 'hacked ahead of secret US document release' (madness takes it's toll)
NO GOVERNMENTS can be trusted EVER... they are scum and will always be scum... i am great supporter of human rights. When I heard about this some time ago it was very disturbing news sorry to say...
Why?
1) Governments DO NOT like freedom of thought....and the word freedom in general...
2) Governments like to keep you uneducated... and keep you in a "happy" bubble with them controlling your thoughts...
3) Governments like to steal from their population "behind closed doors" and don't want anyone to find out about it...
4) Governments .... are basically serious scum that should be changed frequently like dirty diapers...
5) Governments are very evil and should give out ALL of their info to their population... because after all... those people have a RIGHT to know what their crazy governments are doing with their money and tax money etc and their resources...
This is horrible news for man kinds freedom and individuality... hopefully wikileaks will survive and point out criminal Government scum like they really are...
This is very bad news indeed.
You're stuck on the free speech issue when it doesn't apply to this case. Once again, this has nothing to do with Mr. Assange expressing his opinion. It has to do with him publishing stolen documents. Mr. Assange can make a website and rail on the U.S. all day long, telling the world what a bunch of losers we are, saying Obama is a despot, saying he's happy the Twin Towers were taken down. That's free speech. What he is doing is not.
I'm curious...where have you lived besides South Africa?
A.Nonymous
Extreme Android User
Woodard and Bernstein published stolen documents.
copestag
Android Expert
throwing my 2 cents into whether or not he has committed a crime is pointless...... since we all know he hasnt been charged with one in regards to the leaks...... and he will most likely never be..... unless they quickly make up some new laws
but I will throw in 2 cents in regards to some of the paranoia and misinformation:
he didnt just release this information yesterday......... its been out there for a good bit now........ some of it for many many months....... and still not 1 single death can be attributed to any of the links....... fearmongering
also he has not raped anyone, he has not sexually assaulted anyone, more fearmongering and misinformation to make the world hate this guy....... he had consensual sex with 2 women.... both women openly admit it was consensual...... and from the sound of it both admit they initiated it...... with the first woman his condom broke........ with the second woman on the SECOND time they had consensual sex he did not wear a condom...... after finding out that he was screwing both women within days of each other both women felt betrayed and jealous and are now stating he must have intentionally broke his condom with the first woman so he could spread a disease to the second woman...... the govt has decided this must be true..... it was intention to give the second woman a disease all along and this must be RAPE?
does the first woman even have a disease? did he know she has a disease? why would he be intentionally trying to spread a disease to the second woman whom he had never met? sounds to me exactly like what it is..... all these govts are feeling pretty stupid about the truth in their actions being exposed...... and knowing there is nothing they can legally do to stop him from leaking information...... they have resorted to other methods...... put him in prison for fake charges then he cant leak any more info
I hold the opinion that Ive held since day 1 with these leaks..... if the information is embarrassing to you then whos the one to blame?.... the person exposing the embarrassing deeds or the person committing the embarrassing deeds? ...... all this national security crap is just that CRAP....... they just dont want the truth out there
poor judgement is the ONLY thing this guy is guilty of IMO
but I will throw in 2 cents in regards to some of the paranoia and misinformation:
he didnt just release this information yesterday......... its been out there for a good bit now........ some of it for many many months....... and still not 1 single death can be attributed to any of the links....... fearmongering
also he has not raped anyone, he has not sexually assaulted anyone, more fearmongering and misinformation to make the world hate this guy....... he had consensual sex with 2 women.... both women openly admit it was consensual...... and from the sound of it both admit they initiated it...... with the first woman his condom broke........ with the second woman on the SECOND time they had consensual sex he did not wear a condom...... after finding out that he was screwing both women within days of each other both women felt betrayed and jealous and are now stating he must have intentionally broke his condom with the first woman so he could spread a disease to the second woman...... the govt has decided this must be true..... it was intention to give the second woman a disease all along and this must be RAPE?
does the first woman even have a disease? did he know she has a disease? why would he be intentionally trying to spread a disease to the second woman whom he had never met? sounds to me exactly like what it is..... all these govts are feeling pretty stupid about the truth in their actions being exposed...... and knowing there is nothing they can legally do to stop him from leaking information...... they have resorted to other methods...... put him in prison for fake charges then he cant leak any more info
I hold the opinion that Ive held since day 1 with these leaks..... if the information is embarrassing to you then whos the one to blame?.... the person exposing the embarrassing deeds or the person committing the embarrassing deeds? ...... all this national security crap is just that CRAP....... they just dont want the truth out there
poor judgement is the ONLY thing this guy is guilty of IMO
M
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Hahaha lol
Why do you ask? And I don't mean any harm friend,
I have been to Dubai... crazy place with women rights being abused every second... rich place but crazy...only rich because of oil... nothing else though but sand.
Mozambique... also crazy (You can get an AK-47 and some ammo for about 50 rands or about 9 dollars in Mozambique) but beautiful place with abundant natural resources... but the people are crazy...too many liberation movements... they need to wake up...
Lesotho... crazy place too...and Swaziland (nice place actually... I likd the people there) ... hell this whole continent is totally nuts....
The best place I have been to is Australia very nice people there... I am thinking of immigrating there... very nice people much like the educated people here in South Africa.
Have you ever heard of the Tikoloshe? Our "awesome" President... Jacob (******ed) Zuma... believes it exists.... AND HE IS OUR PRESIDENT... crazy hey?
Tikoloshe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
That's the best comparison you have? A dirty President orders the break in to a room at the Watergate Hotel and gets burned...no sympathy for Tricky Dick. How does this equate to a rogue soldier stealing classified information on our covert activities and foreign relations and passing it on to someone with a clear political agenda to interfere with world governments, most notably ours (I assume you're in America)?
Hahaha lol
Why do you ask? And I don't mean any harm friend,
I have been to Dubai... crazy place with women rights being abused every second... rich place but crazy...only rich because of oil... nothing else though but sand.
Mozambique... also crazy (You can get an AK-47 and some ammo for about 50 rands or about 9 dollars in Mozambique) but beautiful place with abundant natural resources... but the people are crazy...too many liberation movements against the "colonialist pigs"... they need to wake up...
Lesotho... crazy place too...and Swaziland (nice place actually... I likd the people there) ... hell this whole continent is totally nuts....
The best place I have been to is Australia very nice people there... I am thinking of immigrating there... very nice people much like the educated people here in South Africa.
Have you ever heard of the Tikoloshe? Our "awesome" President... Jacob (f**ktard) Zuma... believes it exists.... AND HE IS OUR PRESIDENT... crazy hey?
Tikoloshe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I was curious because your view of government strikes me as extreme. Given the places you've been I suppose that's not hard to understand.
I'll never say that the U.S. government is perfect; far from it, but it does have its virtues.
A.Nonymous
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So now you're arguing that stealing information and publishing it is ok in some situations, but stealing information and publishing it should be punishable without due process in other cases?
Again, I'm not saying the guy is right. I"m just saying the feds are wrong in how they're going about going after him.
M
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I was curious because your view of government strikes me as extreme. Given the places you've been I suppose that's not hard to understand.
I'll never say that the U.S. government is perfect; far from it, but it does have its virtues.
Hahaha lol,
Ja... haha I have been to some really crazy places dude... haha good one friend
We had to bribe a border official / officer between Mozambique and SA just to get through to prevent anything from being stolen... very crazy indeed.
They threaten / blackmail you too to pay them... what scum!
But on the more serious note of things... NO governments can be trusted my friend... not even the USA's governments and this includes previous / ALL governments in the world not just the USA... they are evil period...
They (Governments) only care about themselves and getting votes to pay for their solid gold Humvee's and other items like Crystal Meth...
They (Governments) need to be watched as carefully as possible and cannot be trusted at all sadly...
Time and time again has proven what government scum has done to the world... only clever... and free thinking individuals made the modern world today... NOT communists and other scummy losers...
And it's okay if you trust governments... that's entirely up to you dude! I don't mind!
But be warned... they don't actually care about you at all...they just want power...period...
No, it wasn't okay for Woodward and Bernstein either, but I don't see how the two situations can be compared. One was an internal affair and the current one has to do with world politics and possibly in some cases the security of nations.
You're not saying Mr. Assange is right, yet you support his "right" to do what he's doing, claiming free speech. You expect you can have it both ways?
You disagree with what the Feds are doing. What is your suggested course of action? Do you really think that situations of this magnitude can simply be adjudicted by Judge Judy? Maybe Judge Wapner...
Like it or not, the stage that is world politics can be an ugly place where ugly things happen and interactions oft times are not "fair" in the eyes of some. Trying to play nice with people who do not play nice much less care about the rules gets us nowhere.
If we find Osama Bin Laden would you rather we kill him or bring him to New York for a trial?
A.Nonymous
Extreme Android User
Both involved leaks of classified documents that the President of the United States would rather have not seen leaked. Again, please tell me how the "security of nations" was compromised here.
This is how free speech works. Free speech protects unpopular speech. I don't like people ranting and raving about how <insert minority here> is an inferior species and should be wiped off the planet. Those people have every right in the world to say those things. That's what free speech is all about.
You disagree with what the Feds are doing. What is your suggested course of action? Do you really think that situations of this magnitude can simply be adjudicted by Judge Judy? Maybe Judge Wapner...
I'm suggesting that they charge this guy with a crime (assuming he's actually committed one) before they punish him.
Ummm... seriously?
BBC News - List of facilities 'vital to US security' leaked
This has been all over the news. How you could you be forming an opinion on the topic and not even be up to date on what's going on?
You do realize that Iran is known for taking the families of citizens who it can't reach (this particular person was out of the country when these cables were released). These family members go into a prison and are never seen again... it may not actually be death, but come on... we're talking semantics here.
spies aren't always charged in public court, but that's another matter. He's a spy. Freelance maybe, but still a spy.
[link]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11923766[/link]
Seriously, telling Terrorists which targets will cause which disastrous effects on our country... not exactly making us safer now is it.
Even if you aren't in the US... some of those sites will disrupt "Global" communications. Gotta love that.
It's not free speech! Mr. Assange is not stating an opinion, good, bad or indifferent. He's publishing information meant to be kept secret.
By your reasoning I can hack into Google's network (I wish I had the level of skill!
), swipe their search algorithms and publish them because everyone who uses the web has a right to know how all things about it work. I hope you're right about no nation's security being compromised, but it likely has been in ways we'll never hear about.
One more thing...free speech as we know it is virtually nonexistent in the rest of the world, not even in Canada! Tell any other nation that Mr. Assange has a right to publish their secrets and see what kind of response you get.
A.Nonymous
Extreme Android User
Free speech is way, way more than stating an opinion. I can publish a game where you are a Klansmen and you run around and lynch black people. That would be ridiculously inflammatory speech and I would be a total douchebag for doing it, but it would also be covered by free speech even though I'm just publishing some code.
By your reasoning I can hack into Google's network (I wish I had the level of skill!
You're talking proprietary business secrets. Private businesses and governments are completely different animals. This is your government paid for by your tax dollars. Yes I think you and I have a right to know how it's operated.
Brilliant argument. You argue that you are right, but present no proof. No proof = proof.
Are we talking about the rest of the world? No we are not. We are talking about a country that has a freaking Bill of Rights and a Bill of Rights that is topped by an Ammendment that says "Congress shall make no law......abridging the freedom of speech." Very first Amendment.
By publishing such a game you created would be expressing an opinion. Mr. Assange did not publish something he created.
It's our government so we have a right to know everything? Ask the NSA how we're doing with our intelligence concerning Iran.
Google is not a private business. It's a publicly-held corporation. Therefore all the thousands of stockholders have a right to know everything about it, including the search algorithms.
Your argument that no harm has been done is no more valid that you claim is mine. You can't prove anything any more than I can prove anything.
Yes, we have freedom of speech. And guess what? Courts have ruled there are limitations on freedom of speech when it can reasonably be argued that the misuse of said freedom can be construed as potentially harmful. Goes back to the classic of yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater.
Freedom of speech, even in this country, is not an absolute.
Bob Maxey
Android Expert
Not as familiar with the case past a cursory looky see. But I will comment anyway.
The woman came forward screaming rape. OK, do you suggest that she is lying? Perhaps she is who knows? I hope you are not suggesting that the Wikkileaker should not be arrested after a rape complaint was issued, do you?
I think anyone that leaks government documents should be looked at. There are national security issues to consider. What was in those hundreds of thousands of documents? Not too sure. Perhaps this man should be in jail for his protection. Some countries might decide to make an example of the leaker and that can be very bad for him.
I am not sure it is a free speech issue because we simply do not know what is in those documents. If some provision of the National Security Ace were violated, he should be arrested and jailed. Let the courts decide if he was within his rights.
Bob Maxey
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