Wow that has to got to be classified as the longest most ill informed rant ever. I'm an it guy and I say Alltel had awesome coverage so there. And quite frankly if Jehovah's witness want to post on internet forums I'm perfectly ok with that too because there is a huge difference between walking in my front door and stating an opinion on the internet.
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Will Verizon ever have "simply everything" type plans?
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So I'm ill informed because where I live and where my friend lives alltel has horrible service? Do you live in my area or his? I stated at the beginning of my post about how things were with alltel in my and my friend's area but if other areas service was anything like what it is here it's hard to believe it's good. There is no perfect carrier and there never will be, you have to use what works where you live. As far as the Jehovas Witness analogy, this is a verizon forum. One would think that you would come here to hear about verizon from verizon customers, otherwise what's the point of carrier specific forums? I know the difference between a house and the internet but wouldn't you think going into a forum of your carrier's competition and touting your service or bashing their's is going to tick some people off? How do you feel when iPhone users come into an android forum and do the same? I know verizon is more expensive, and I think the mandatory data is crap. But I would rather pay $20 more a month and have something that works rather than save money and have something that doesn't.
Here's a link to a page with carrier maps on it dated March 15, 2009. These should reflect verizon and alltel before the acquisition. What's funny to me is that according to the alltel map, the 2 areas I spoke of should have great service, but that wasn't the case in our experiences.
Bentek Systems - Coverage Maps
Bentek Systems - Coverage Maps
QrafTee
Android Expert
Actually it is when what you have to say doesn't have much to do with the topic.
How can you tell? "Will Verizon ever has 'simply everything' type plans" See, this is when the OP only wants to know whether Verizon ever has "simply everything" type plans not "Sprint and Verizon = Same coverage" or "VZN will fall."
Or going into the "Nexus One or HTC Incredible" topic and going, "Oh y'know what? I'd just wait for the EVO 4G (which happens to be exclusive to Sprint as far as we know)"
You, my friend, are a troll. And yes, you ARE bias. I didn't care at first, but seeing you appear in practically all Verizon-related threads and how you "happen to mention" Sprint and how much "better" it is... it is getting rather annoying.
As far as unlimited everything plans, I don't think they will for a couple reasons. When LTE does come into being, they have already stated the same as many carriers have in that they will be going to tiered data plans because they can't support the bandwidth. It was easier a few years ago when most mobile phone internet didn't require as much data as what people are using today. This same topic is being looked at by residential broadband carriers as well. They say at this point bandwidth availability is falling behind bandwidth demand due to more users and applications requiring more data (TV over the internet, peer to peer file sharing, etc.). DSL & cable users may be looking at bandwidth limits like satellite customers are used to. So barring any new breakthroughs unlimited bandwidth in the future doesn't appear to be sustainable.
The second reason is they don't have to (as stated previously). Until they are losing subscribers at an alarming rate, they have no reason to change. It seems like the only time a company gives something away is when they are hungry for business or need to meet projections, and verizon isn't in that boat at the moment.
The second reason is they don't have to (as stated previously). Until they are losing subscribers at an alarming rate, they have no reason to change. It seems like the only time a company gives something away is when they are hungry for business or need to meet projections, and verizon isn't in that boat at the moment.
IOWA
Mr. Logic Pants
So I guess you find the truth annoying then eh? Sorry about that?
I agree sprint fanboys and Jehovah's witness can both be annoying, neither is as bad as iPhone ppl though 
I personally don't care if iPhone or sprint or whatever pop in, while there choices may baffle me sometimes they make ok points. Maybe Alltel sucked by you, but dropping names to "prove" your point means nothing. I can give you 2 zip codes where I spent a lot of time where quite frankly VZW was a joke and Alltel was rock solid now VZW is great there because of Alltel. I'm sure there are more. Just as I'm sure there were areas Alltel may not have covered well. 49085 29803 different regions even just in case you don't believe me
I personally don't care if iPhone or sprint or whatever pop in, while there choices may baffle me sometimes they make ok points. Maybe Alltel sucked by you, but dropping names to "prove" your point means nothing. I can give you 2 zip codes where I spent a lot of time where quite frankly VZW was a joke and Alltel was rock solid now VZW is great there because of Alltel. I'm sure there are more. Just as I'm sure there were areas Alltel may not have covered well. 49085 29803 different regions even just in case you don't believe me How is zip code dropping different than name dropping? And if I had said I'm not the only one who had issues with Alltel, the first thing people usually ask is 'who are these other people?', or "how do we know they are not an idiot?'. I figured I'd head those questions off at the pass but I wasn't trying to make myself or my friends or family look superior or anything.
From what I understand you used to be on Alltel & you're probably not happy with a lot of the ways Verizon does things, just like my sister and her family was when Alltel took over CellularOne awhile back. Their plans went up for what they consider the same service, which is probably how you felt when Verizon stepped in. In the link I posted a couple back there are images of a couple of maps, Verizon & Alltel from early 2009 which should have been before the acqusition. Alltel doesn't look that far ahead of Verizon, but like I said a few posts ago, they show my area having great service when in fact out here we have no service. So I hope you can also see where I'm coming from as well.
We should probably quit hijacking this guys thread. I was curious what you guys thought about my last post? I'm thinking from what I've been reading, neither mobile or residential maybe able to have unlimited internet for much longer.
From what I understand you used to be on Alltel & you're probably not happy with a lot of the ways Verizon does things, just like my sister and her family was when Alltel took over CellularOne awhile back. Their plans went up for what they consider the same service, which is probably how you felt when Verizon stepped in. In the link I posted a couple back there are images of a couple of maps, Verizon & Alltel from early 2009 which should have been before the acqusition. Alltel doesn't look that far ahead of Verizon, but like I said a few posts ago, they show my area having great service when in fact out here we have no service. So I hope you can also see where I'm coming from as well.
We should probably quit hijacking this guys thread. I was curious what you guys thought about my last post? I'm thinking from what I've been reading, neither mobile or residential maybe able to have unlimited internet for much longer.
Just saying your experience in one area doesn't prove anything. And neither does the fact that I know of 2 areas where Alltel was better. I said in my previous post that Alltel might not cover everything great. All carriers maps are insanely optimistic. My experience with Alltel was great, I'm sure that isn't the case for everyone. The fact remains though that VZW rural coverage was greatly improved after buying Alltel. As much as you bash the sprint fanboys you tend to come off as a VZW fanboy yourself. Yes i liked Alltel, VZW hasn't done anything to make me want to bail but I'm always looking for something better or cheaper so if sprint offers that ill listen. Might not buy it but worth hearing ya know
The problem is everytime I have seen Iowa post on the Verizon forum, he has never had a good thing to say about it. If Sprint is so great why don't they have more subscribers than Verizon. I said before if all you're going to do is come on here and bash service and you're from another carrier, shouldn't you expect people to be a little irate.
I wouldn't say I am a fanboy if one carrier is all I can use. It's called having no options. If there was someone else who could compete, I would give them a serious look, but there isn't. I looked recently at Straight Talk prepaid from Walmart which uses the Verizon network but charges $30 for 1000min & texts & 30mb of data or $45 for unlimited everything. Sounds great right? They had crap phones, horrible customer service, and a lot of people losing their number for not paying on time, even the ones who were set up to be automatically billed.
I guess I just don't understand why you'd want to try and lure customers from other carriers when you have no vested interest? These carrier forums are here to help it's customers with problems and give them info, not to use every opportunity to suggest they switch service. If like me they can't switch their service, posts like that do not help them, and I doubt I'm alone in not having Sprint or some other carrier as an option.
When Qraftee mentioned about the Incredible thread where Iowa suggested waiting for the EVO on Sprint, from everything I'm hearing the Incredible should be out by the end of the month while the Evo is slated for May or June. So what would it benefit that person having to wait longer, switch carrier service, and possibly end up with less than they have now?
I wouldn't say I am a fanboy if one carrier is all I can use. It's called having no options. If there was someone else who could compete, I would give them a serious look, but there isn't. I looked recently at Straight Talk prepaid from Walmart which uses the Verizon network but charges $30 for 1000min & texts & 30mb of data or $45 for unlimited everything. Sounds great right? They had crap phones, horrible customer service, and a lot of people losing their number for not paying on time, even the ones who were set up to be automatically billed.
I guess I just don't understand why you'd want to try and lure customers from other carriers when you have no vested interest? These carrier forums are here to help it's customers with problems and give them info, not to use every opportunity to suggest they switch service. If like me they can't switch their service, posts like that do not help them, and I doubt I'm alone in not having Sprint or some other carrier as an option.
When Qraftee mentioned about the Incredible thread where Iowa suggested waiting for the EVO on Sprint, from everything I'm hearing the Incredible should be out by the end of the month while the Evo is slated for May or June. So what would it benefit that person having to wait longer, switch carrier service, and possibly end up with less than they have now?
Frisco
=Luceat Lux Vestra=
Gruss is correct, in my opinion, when it is noted that what is basically anecdotal evidence is put forth as proof of how good or bad a carrier is.
We could have a poll, I suppose. But even then we'd see what users of these forums are saying they experience with their carriers; we will not have very much other data than that.
My response would be, based on my personal experience, Sprint = great coverage but very, very bad customer service in the stores in my town as well as poor device selection and availability, Verizon, same great coverage, customer service just a bit easier to tolerate than Sprint's and far better device availability than Sprint's.
Alltel spoiled me on all counts; excellent all the way around.
We could have a poll, I suppose. But even then we'd see what users of these forums are saying they experience with their carriers; we will not have very much other data than that.
My response would be, based on my personal experience, Sprint = great coverage but very, very bad customer service in the stores in my town as well as poor device selection and availability, Verizon, same great coverage, customer service just a bit easier to tolerate than Sprint's and far better device availability than Sprint's.
Alltel spoiled me on all counts; excellent all the way around.
IOWA
Mr. Logic Pants
My sentiments exactly. I always like to be in the know, and I share my findings. If people. Don't like that and insist on staying in their ccarrier cacoon I have no problem with that. However they shouldn't be speading misinformations either.
QrafTee
Android Expert
I have to agree and disagree with your statement. Yes, it is true that one's experience in one area doesn't prove much. But you're going to have to realize that not areas are "equal." Some areas are more populated (more customers, more money, higher priority); that's why the abysmal performance by AT&T in such areas are echoed through many mobile forums.
You also can't say, "Oh well Sprint has the same coverage because it's supposed to use the same towers where they have no towers." There is also stuff to take into account such as tower priority, and tower signal quality where there are Sprint and Verizon towers. Why is it some areas have a stronger Sprint signal and some areas have a better Verizon signal? Well in theory that would never be if "they have the same coverage" is the case, right?
I trust real personal experience than "high scientific quantitative 'facts'" in that respect. Because no matter what the "facts" say, certain phones work better in certain areas--in my area Verizon trumps the competition (and yes it is more expensive, thanks again for telling me IOWA because I must have somehow missed that obvious fact due to "blind sheepism" *sarcasm*)
Similarly, if an equation came about and calculated national happiness levels which went against a national survey bent on calculating what people thought their own happiness was... I'd be inclined to believe the survey.
IOWA
Mr. Logic Pants
The problem with surveys is they could interview in biased areas, and poeple tend to be swayed by media quite easily. Iphone anyone?
QrafTee
Android Expert
Yet, a majority of iPhone customers (and a greater portion of ATT customers, former and present) have spoken out against ATT's piss poor service. Why some of them refuse to change to another carrier is up to debate, but if you give them a survey about coverage and quality of service, they don't rank that high even with the Steve Job's hypnotizing gaze overseeing all iPhone users.
I will gladly leave my "carrier cocoon" when there is another carrier of merit around here. I've stated this in my last post. If you don't believe me, go to whatever carrier you think I should be on. Type in the Zip code 57467, and tell me if I can get service through your provider.
I would also like to know what misinformation I am spreading. I was sharing my experiences and what I have read on the mobile news sites. I read about 5 different sites and if most are reporting the same thing I'll tend to believe it. If you could please tell me specifically what it was so I can see what I am apparently misinformed about.
I would also like to know what misinformation I am spreading. I was sharing my experiences and what I have read on the mobile news sites. I read about 5 different sites and if most are reporting the same thing I'll tend to believe it. If you could please tell me specifically what it was so I can see what I am apparently misinformed about.
IOWA
Mr. Logic Pants
Hey, what works is most important. I've iterated that a number of times. Also "misinformations" was a general and broad statement rather than reflecting directly towards you.