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Windows 10, Yay or Nay?

bayk said:
Does anybody know id Widows 10 drivers compatible with Windows 7 drivers?
During update, what drivers do you need?
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Not universally, but unless it's really an oddball machine or very old, I'd guess that windows 10 drivers would be available and stable.
 
bayk said:
Does anybody know id Widows 10 drivers compatible with Windows 7 drivers?
During update, what drivers do you need?
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While not all Win7 drivers will work in 10, many will. Most important is the drivers for your NIC and/or Wifi adapter. I haven't run into any Ethernet driver (yet) unsupported OOB. Once online you can search for updates, or drivers for any unknown device(s) (as shown with a "!" in device manager).

If I running Win7 and wish to wipe & clean install 10, "Double Driver" will save any non-M$ drivers to the media of choice in a structured format so you can manually search the entire folder recursively (the *inf method from device manager) after installation. I just did this with a 6 year old Toshiba laptop the other night. Once I got the device working (sound in this case), it's identified correctly. You can then search for an updated driver online from there.

Surprisingly Win10 does a pretty good job of finding device drivers once online, but it's not perfect. Best bet is go to the mfg website for your rig/device and see if they provide one.

EDIT: If doing an "in place" upgrade, Win10 normally has no problems identifying hardware and locating the correct drivers. My bad for not noticing this in your original question.
 
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dvhttn said:
Hmmm. My 12 year old said he'd upgraded almost straight away to the Creators Edition
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Don't know why my Zenbook doesn't update it. There might be a bug because I think the version that it is trying to download and install it is insider preview so the updater (upgrader) and Media creation tool won't probably work. Not the first time when MS is messing around. They probably released newer version and didn't remember to update their tool, so it can't be installed on that way... Don't know.

I guess it would work if I made an ISO-file, but I think I'm going to wait when they release it here officially via Windows update.

mikedt said:
I use a MacBook for all my work. And this is why....
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A USB stick that's been in a school classroom PC. Two hidden Windows EXEs, 1.2MB each, which is some worm or virus that's on some of the school Windows 7 PCs. And I know a few other foreign teachers also use Macs or Linux for same reasons.
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Reason I switched to MacBook Pro (main laptop) at home. However, I'm still running AV-program on my mbp.

Anyway - I have had only once a virus on my computer 15-20 years ago. I didn't use the computer on that time but I recognized it. It was Sir something.. I still remember it and the procedure to get rid of it.
 
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I'm mostly in Linux (PCLOS/MINT 18) and Win10 Pro (creators) for Visual Studio 2017 for dev work.
I like that I can target Windows devices, Android and Apple from the one IDE and source files.

Wiin10Pro/VS2017 is on a separate box (HP EliteDesk SFF - Core i5 32GB DDR3) from my multiboot linux/Win10 insiders box (Core i7/16GB - until I get an RMA for the other 16GB DDDR4 from Corsair).
 
DialOut said:
I've had a few friends upgrade to 10, and they say it's a step or two backwards.
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Mobile users seem to have better things to say than desktop users.
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They forgot to mention the cliff a half step behind them before they took the 2 steps 😂😂 But really tho, I've never met a bigger pain of an OS that makes Android Development such a hassle. In fact, it literally caused me to switch to Linux Mint. 🙊🙉🙈
 
I use Mint KDE myself, though I decided to give Kubuntu 17.10 a spin the other day.

... already hate it, though: it threw four different .efi files onto the computer, clogging up my boot screen (I use rEFInd bootloader).
 
DialOut said:
I've had a few friends upgrade to 10, and they say it's a step or two backwards. :(

Mobile users seem to have better things to say than desktop users.
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Mobile? As in laptop users? There is no difference besides touch, if the laptop has it.

As an Enterprise Admin/Professional/etc I couldn't not be happier with the improvements Win 10 made. There are one or two small things that I think function better on Win 7, but you couldn't pay me to go back to 7 now...
 
NightAngel79 said:
Mobile? As in laptop users? There is no difference besides touch, if the laptop has it.

As an Enterprise Admin/Professional/etc I couldn't not be happier with the improvements Win 10 made. There are one or two small things that I think function better on Win 7, but you couldn't pay me to go back to 7 now...
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Like the Surface, yeah. I know a couple of guy who use the Surface and they have nothing bad to say about it.
 
NightAngel79 said:
Mobile? As in laptop users? There is no difference besides touch, if the laptop has it.

As an Enterprise Admin/Professional/etc I couldn't not be happier with the improvements Win 10 made. There are one or two small things that I think function better on Win 7, but you couldn't pay me to go back to 7 now...
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From what I've seen most enterprise, professional, academic is Windows XP Professional, along with some 7 and Vista users.
 
Not here ... I won't even let users THINK about XP while logged in. We are almost exclusively Windows 7 professional with some 10 machines as the older ones go belly up. Although there is a Windows 8.1 box sitting around somewhere.
 
DialOut said:
Like the Surface, yeah. I know a couple of guy who use the Surface and they have nothing bad to say about it.
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Same exact version of Win 10, though with laptops the experience is worlds better if it is touch enabled.
mikedt said:
From what I've seen most enterprise, professional, academic is Windows XP Professional, along with some 7 and Vista users.
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XP went out of support 3 years ago now, and Win 7 only has 2.5 years left. No business should be using XP at all, though it happens here and there. Win 7 was/is awesome, but its time to move on. Win 10 ent is making it into businesses, but you won't see large conversions untill support for 7 ends in 1/20.
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Not here ... I won't even let users THINK about XP while logged in. We are almost exclusively Windows 7 professional with some 10 machines as the older ones go belly up. Although there is a Windows 8.1 box sitting around somewhere.
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I had the chills just reading that... xp.......
 
This is sad.. Most ppl don't even WANT to deal with Win10 after they made it anti-developement.. Then when everyone said F-U to MS and went to Linux, they backtracked and made a fake Linux. Lmfao. 😂
Edit: I'd say I was just being humorous but I was taught that lying was disrespectful. 😂 🙈🙉🙊 😂
 
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On a positive note, they did do the right thing by going back to a Win7 style desktop Home screen..
 
Windows 10..Yay! for its increased security over previous versions. :thumbsupdroid:


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Windows Movie Maker does NOT come from Riyue Tongxing Information Technology (Beijing) Co., Ltd. and I'm sure Windows XP, Vista, 7, etc. would have happily let be installed, and it was downloaded from a Microsoft Bing URL. It's actually obnoxious advertising spyware, that's rather difficult to remove once installed on a PC.

That is one of the perils of using Windows in China, and normally I use a Mac.
 
rootabaga said:
The base install I'm really not worried about (it's happening as we, er, speak). It's the copious programs to load and configure and all of the fine-tuning and customizing I dread. Ugh. If we weren't so short-handed at work I wouldn't mind, but I've been putting it off simply because of that. However, way my old pc is periodically locking up has me concerned that if I don't have a replacement soon, I'll be going from scratch with no reference...and I dread that more, I suppose.

Either way, thanks for the well-wishes. :D :D
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I hear you. I've got a workstation here that's been fighting me for the last few months. We have a managed update policy which works well for the Win7 boxes, but for some reason, this particular workstation hangs on logout when there is a pending Win10 update. LabTech (the monitoring agent we use) insists that it is completely compatible with Windows 10 and truthfully none of the other Win 10 machines have that problem, so I'm planning on rebuilding this one, but I don't have the time so I just have to tun off the domain policy, update manually. I'd keep it off permanently but the agent re-enables itself after 24-hours or if the machine is rebooted. :mad:

I'd love to find the specific problem and give them a hearty "I told you so" but i don't have the time for that type of sleuthing either. A rebuild is quicker.
 
lunatic59 said:
I'd love to find the specific problem and give them a hearty "I told you so" but i don't have the time for that type of sleuthing either. A rebuild is quicker.
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Just to keep this thread moving along ... ;)

I popped in a clean SSD over the holidays and reinstalled Win10 and a few apps when all heck broke loose and I had to swap the original drive back into the machine and put it back into service. I had every intention of getting back to the rebuild after the New Year, but I've just been too friggin' busy. Then, around the end of January, I noticed that the problem had cleared up on it's own.

I'm thinking a specific bug was addressed in an update, but what it was, i have no idea.
 
So I prolly shouldn't mention that I am viewing this forum on a marginally working Vista machine, huh? I lost my copies of XP that I keep only because a few old progs (games) won't run on anything past it. I had 4 XP machines just for gaming with friends over beer. My Win7 Premium machine (which I bought only a month or 2 after the damned Vista machine and very nearly identical otherwise) had hard drive failure. I have 3 Win7 laptops mostly for smaller tasks since I hate their keyboards. I now have a new drive for the Win7 box but I just now realized the install disk is an OEM so I doubt I am going to be able to make it work. I know I should head to Win 10 but I resist change vehemently.
 
XP and Vista are done. I wouldn't even waste a spork to stick in them. ;)

Windows 7 is done with updates and will only receive security patches until 2020

Windows 8 ... well, we don't talk about that. :o

Windows 10 has grown on me, but it's taken three years to stabilize where I'm comfortable deploying it in our enterprise.
 
Well, the Creator's update caught up with me... only took an hour and a half to install and mess everything up.

Good thing I only boot it up once every other week.
 
It still sucks. Have to use it at work and it has more stupid F**#** updates than Endpoint. It's always down and updating.

At home, my Win10 system keeps throwing updates and undoing everything disable to make it run at a tolerable level. What was Microsoft thinking? Really? Windows Defender makes my system run so slow... A win xp loaded with viruses is faster!
 
Just after Christmas my Onda Obook Windows 10 tablet took an update, FIVE HOURS IT TOOK, and the device was unusable during that time, completely ridiculous! I don't use it much anyway now.
My MacBook Air only takes 30 minutes at most to apply any macOS updates.
 
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