Railroadmaster
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I would give my Mom an Android phone and she would have no problems using it most likely a MyTouch 3g slide.
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With Android on the rise, do you think that Apple's iOS is dying?
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A.Nonymous
Extreme Android User
Your mom is more tech savvy than my mom I'm sure. I had to drive across town to copy files to a usb drive for my mom. She had no idea how to do it and I spent 20-30 mins trying to talk her through it over the phone. She never succeeded in actually getting the files from her computer to the USB drive.
i dont see apple ios or iphone as a dying cuz biggest reason pplz ganna buy iphone cuz apple got great customer supports which google and any other company is missing..its local and fast with other company u have to ship or fix threw networks which they barly does sometimes and plus i really think iphone is great for any1 for pplz who like games, or pplz who wants simple basic phone and it got tons of apps...but i think apple got edgs ahead of android only cuz of local store supports plus really good touch screen stuff other wise im a fan of android and been using android system from last year and i use both phones iphone and htc aria my newest one...i really want android to get all apps that iphone has and make some great space phones and also one another great thing about apple is there updates are 3 to 4 times in a year which android is missing and google really need to take everything in thier hands and start making phones with local store supports than we can see android taking over iphone ios ...untill this updates and local store supports doesnt come to android pplz will still go for apple no matter what..cuz in the end you really need updates and store supports doesnt matter how it is but has to be there..
and also i want google to control everything not any indivudual networks or anything they makes it crapp and keeps under control just like apple
and also i want google to control everything not any indivudual networks or anything they makes it crapp and keeps under control just like apple
karma2burn
Well-Known Member
Speaking of macbooks and iphones, my brother came into town this weekend and he's a big apple fan and I'm of course anti-apple. He had his new iphone 4 and I was showing him my superior Droid x.
He had literally just picked up the phone before driving out of town so he wanted to sync all his stuff up so he connects his iphone 4 to his macbook and it tells him he can't sync anything until he upgraded his operating system. If you could have heard my shrieks of evil laughter. Needless to say there wasn't a whole lot of debating from him after that.
Railroadmaster
Member
I wouldn't recommend any smartphone at all to my 80-90 year Grandma, but if my 40-50 Mom needed a smartphone I would recommend an Android device or a Blackberry. My family wouldn't be willing to switch to at&t just for a phone. No matter how good the iPhone is or how good of an ecosystem it has it simply won't sell to those who don't want to use at&t. The problem isn't that at&t is bad it just people want to choose there carrier. In the US your forced to use at&t, in parts of Europe your stuck with Vodafone, in South Korea Sk Telecom, the United Kingdom o2, and in Germany T-Mobile Germany. Besides my Mom has the basic technical knowledge to operate a computer why wouldn't she be able to use a MyTouch 3g Slide.
A.Nonymous
Extreme Android User
My mom doesn't have the technical knowledge to operate a computer. She needs something a trained monkey can operate.
Speaking of macbooks and iphones, my brother came into town this weekend and he's a big apple fan and I'm of course anti-apple. He had his new iphone 4 and I was showing him my superior Droid x.
He had literally just picked up the phone before driving out of town so he wanted to sync all his stuff up so he connects his iphone 4 to his macbook and it tells him he can't sync anything until he upgraded his operating system. If you could have heard my shrieks of evil laughter. Needless to say there wasn't a whole lot of debating from him after that.
And then he showed you all the cool apps he had and you brought up solitaire?
Railroadmaster
Member
Everything has a learning curve it just that simple. I wasn't born knowing how to use an iPhone neither was I born knowing how to use an Android device or a Blackberry or a Windows Mobile device or a Palm device or a Nokia. I had to learn how to access basic functions in every Mobile operating system I have used. Besides having computer knowledge is just required skill in this modern age. Is your Mom going to install custom roms no, is your Mom going to mess with the bootloader no, and is she going to mess with the kernel no. Is your Mom going to send text messages sure, is she going to make phone calls yes, is she going to browse the web yes, send emails I would count on it, is she going to install apps most likely, and take/view/send photos probably. What would be keeping your Mom from performing those basic functions on an Android device I just mentioned?
I agree. Apple fanboys constantly harp on Android's ease of use, but for basic task functions, they are pretty darned similar.
Railroadmaster
Member
Look each platform has it pros and cons but in general use there isn't a huge amount of difference between Android and iOs. I think the multitasking interface on iOs is better I don't have to use a task killer to multitask like I do on Android and I think Android does a better job with notifications there is a unified panel for notifications and notifications don't take up the entire screen it is also easier to access them later without have to go into a bunch of different apps.
His hasn't been true for a long time, over a year. You can buy an Apple handset and use it on any compatible network (which is just about any)
Railroadmaster
Member
That because Europe has actual standards. In Europe you will find most carriers use gsm and use the same 3g band so getting a phone unlocked in Europe is less of a pain in the ass. The North America is completely different both gsm and cdma are used there is no accepted standard At&t and T-mobile both use different 3g bands and when you get an unlocked phone in the US it isn't truly unlocked because it won't work with all carriers in that way I'm little envious of Europe.
mpg187
Well-Known Member
When I first read that I got the impression that he (the other guy, not the one posting here) had Android...
So stable and useless? I would rather have something that's a little less stable but more useful than something that's stable and can't do anything...
IOWA
Mr. Logic Pants
1. More stable? Please. Try a 3g or 3gs with ios4. Its buggy, slow, and and all around PITA to use.
2. Apps don't crash? Please. Apps crash on all systems. If you say they don't, you don't have much experience with computing equipment.
3.) Slicker? This is opinion. Quit trying to pass your opinion off as fact. My home screens are silky smooth on a 9 month old device.
4.) More intuitive? How? Care to explain how apples icons are easier to use then androids icons? And its nice to know you compared the intelligence of a monkey to your mother. Glad I'm not in your family tree.
But apple does have one leg up on ip4, it has the "slide to drop call" feature, someone you don't like, just bridge the antenna, and poof, call gone.
But keep posting. Proving you guys wrong gives me something to do in my off time. And I'm sure some people are getting good laughs out of the sheer stupity of some of your posts, you know, passing off your opinion as a fact and all that. (And really beleiving your opinion is a fact too, sad.)
CriticalMass
Well-Known Member
That's the beauty of an open platform, and the downfall of Apple's closed platform.
CriticalMass
Well-Known Member
It's still true, however, that an overwhelming majority of Apple users are computer-illiterate.
Sad but true..
CriticalMass
Well-Known Member
ALL iPhone4's have that problem. It's a design flaw, PHYSICAL DEFECT WHICH CANNOT BE FIXED.
True, and PR firms have urged apple to do a recall and so far Apple has refused.
I don't hate Apple or the iPhones. In fact, I like some apple products including the iPhone. I just hate the rabid, blind fanbase who will defend Apple to the death even when Apple screws up and is in the wrong. the iPhone 4's design flaws are a great example. So I hope the iPhone is always around. I may even own one some day.
And the iPhone is great for us Android users. Why? Because it's competition. And competition drives advances in products.
And the iPhone is great for us Android users. Why? Because it's competition. And competition drives advances in products.
Tre Lawrence
Android Expert
A.Nonymous
Extreme Android User
You must remember my mom is one of the most clueless techno phobes in the world. I could easily, explain to her how to use iOS. You press the app you want to use, you use the app and you hit the button on the bottom of the phone when you're done. With Android, it is just a little bit more complicated because both the home button and the back button have the potential to take you back to the home screen and then there's the menu button and all of this would confuse my mother.
As I've mentioned earlier, I own an iTouch and a DInc. I very much prefer my DInc because I can dig around in it and customize virtually everything I want right out of the box. In return, the device is not quite as stable as the iTouch. Personally, I can live with this and I'm more than willing to make the trade. A lot of people aren't and I'm fine with that too. I say people should use whatever device and/or OS that best suits their needs.
I know you're an Android fanboy and you're convinced that anything at all with the Apple logo on it must be a complete and total, worthless piece of crap. You're ignoring facts though.
1. The 3g and 3gs were not designed to run iOS 4. When they run 3.1.3, they run fine with no issues. They're not buggy or slow and they offer rock solid stability. The same thing could be said for the iPhone 4 running iOS 4. Look at the OS on the platform it's designed to run on and tell me it's not stable. iOS trades customizability and openness for stability. That's a trade they're willing to make and it's a trade their users are OK with them making.
2. I've had my iTouch for 3-4 months now. I've had an app crash on me maybe a handful of times. I've had apps force close on me on my DInc that many times in just the 3-4 weeks I've owned it. You run into way, way, way more buggier apps on Android than you do on iOS. That's the price you pay for open source. I'm not saying I'm opposed to open source, I'm just saying you do pay a price for it. You can't have it both ways.
3. Can't speak for your phone, but my iTouch is definitely slicker than my Dinc. If I'm 2 home screens away and touch the home screen button, my DInc quickly scrolls just past my home screen, corrects itself and scrolls back to where it should be. It sometimes does the same thing when I'm scrolling through screens manually. Try the same thing on iOS (assuming you have a device that runs it.) It never does this. The OS looks nicer. I know looks aren't everything. I'm just pointing out that it looks nicer.
4. Already talked about the intuitiveness. Apple's got one hardware button. Android's got four. One is way more intuitive than four.
IOWA
Mr. Logic Pants
Android fanboy, no. If something better came along id hop over id hop over in a heartbeat. I was really looking forward to wp7 before it was announced, but since the announcement, ill stick with android. I personally think webos has a lot of potential as well, but that needs to be executed properly to gain any steam.
And to be fair, I don't think ios is going anywhere. It'll be relegated to a niche much other apple products outside of an ipod, and an ipod will be that way too along with other pmps, as smartphones will eventually take that segment over(although that will be while).
And if android keeps innovating and google keeps inventing like they way they do, they will surely dominate the market. As for "there has to be competition", with google, I don't feel this is the case. Look at their other products. Nobody touches google when it comes to search, and video sharing. Yet they continue to innovate on top of that. And its like that with nearly all of their products. Right now, it seems as if nobodys drive to suceed can surpass google. Look at apple and microsoft. They both were at the top of their game for sooo long. They slacked off and now they are noth fighting to stay relevant for the future. Google on the other hand, drives things at a pace like no other, and show no signs of slowing. And I really hope they stay that way. If all companies were driven like google,we'd have sooo much more innovation than the already fast pace we see today.
So am I a fan of google? Absolutely. They always bring 110% to the table, and that's awesome. And I hope they next ceo and such have the same drive. I am a fan of them embracing todays and tomarrows business strategies, and not clinging to old, outdated business models like apple or the riaa. They don't bully people through litegation and frivilous lawsuits like apple. They are a company in which other ccompanies should learn from. They continue to make billions without ton of frivilous bully lawsuits unlike the others.
Now about ios. The one button interface is subjective. I persoanlly find it dumb. When I was rolling back my mothers 3gs to 3.x (cuz ios4 made it unstable) I was searching for the back button, or menu, or even home. The navigation on the 3gs is tedious, having to go back to your homescreen in order to switch between apps, or even check notifications. I did however take the liberty of jailbreaking her 3gs and installing cydia. And after all this crap of me fixing her phone, you know what she said? "I miss my old google phone. I didn't have any of these problemsl. She had a g1 on tmobile. So its all subjective, and personal preference. And since android can and often is custom tailored to fit you, the os and ui is simply better, because its what you want, not some arbitrary company.
Then there's the downfall of an open-platform, hardware and cellular companies take forever to update the phone, and then move on to the next phone they release 4 months later. You get pros and cons with each variety.
Nothing lasts forever. Android will get too big for its own good and will come crashing down. Hard.
So just enjoy it while you can. There's nothing wrong with iOS and people have even started bringing up Apple products in general. I love OS X a lot more than I did Win7, despite dual-booting Boot Camp with it. I don't think I could ever go back to Windows as a daily user again. It's my preference. No one told me to like it. Those that buy any product just to follow a trend are stupid. But no one can make the argument that someone is stupid for buying "overpriced" Apple products, because there's more to consumer needs than price.
So just enjoy it while you can. There's nothing wrong with iOS and people have even started bringing up Apple products in general. I love OS X a lot more than I did Win7, despite dual-booting Boot Camp with it. I don't think I could ever go back to Windows as a daily user again. It's my preference. No one told me to like it. Those that buy any product just to follow a trend are stupid. But no one can make the argument that someone is stupid for buying "overpriced" Apple products, because there's more to consumer needs than price.
ari-free
Android Expert
So why were they updated to ios4? Pretty much kills the whole advantage of Apple's updates.