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Woz No Like Cloud

jefboyardee

Extreme Android User
Apple co-founder Wozniak sees trouble in the cloud

"I really worry about everything going to the cloud," he said. "I think it's going to be horrendous. I think there are going to be a lot of horrible problems in the next five years."

He added: "With the cloud, you don't own anything. You already signed it away" through the legalistic terms of service with a cloud provider that computer users must agree to.

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I think he may be right about this.
 
I agree. Plus, the cloud is only usefull when you have a data connection. I want the data on my device so I don't need to worry about how the data signal is or how much battery I'm draining to listen to music streaming over the data connection. It can be useful sometimes, but I would rather have a 16GB microSD card in my phone than 25GB of space on DropBox. Plus, my microSD card will be harder for someone to hack and steal my info! the cloud has some uses, but I use it as a temparary means to transfer things to my phone (PC -> DropBox/AmazonMP3 -> hard copy to phone) than a permanent home for my stuff.
 
yeah i never would consider the cloud my only place for whatever i want to store. i use it as my backup to my backup which is backed up on my external hard drive which i also keep on a burned disk locked away in my desk.
 
I never store personal photos, docs or videos on my online storage. Just nothing but junk.
 
If they shared anything we uploaded to the cloud they would have to explicitly state it on their privacy page, and the internet would uproar. Remember when chrome was first released and their EULA stated anything you did while using chrome was property of google?


Now that doesn't mean put things you wouldnt want others to see on the cloud. Just because they can't share it doesn't make it safe from hackers.


By now you should realize that there is no such thing as privacy on the internet.

/tinhat
 
I haven't used cloud storage except for contacts with google since that is just standard with android devices. I in my opinion believe having a hard copy of something is more secure then trusting some source thats in the cloud. I like to back up my hard drives to externals then I also have RAID 1 with my storage drive in my PC to help ensure my own data protection.

I don't like how everyone is trying to push people into cloud storage. I like my own privacy policy, whats mine is mine... Simple, short, and to the point
 
I agree with Wozniak on this one. One thing I have always wondered what happens if you buy digital content and the company shuts the servers down. How would you continue you to get your digital content you own from them? That's one thing that has always made me second guess buying games over stream.

Cloud Storage is no different think about Mega upload there where questionable things on it but not everything. There where tons of people who used it for legit reasons and over night it was taken down with out warning.

The way company's want us to go in the future is basically you would have box that connected to the internet to access all your content.

The real kicker on top of all this is the fact some ISP's want to limit your bandwidth usage. Company's want to go completely cloud based. ISP's want to limit how much of there service you can use every month unless you pay 100's of dollars.

The Movie/Music Industry loves this idea because if everything did go digital they could amend there products so you rent them for a indefinite period of time until the company decides to terminate said agreement.

One more thing all your content would be available for hackers. Bottom line is if a computer is plugged into the internet someone out there can hack into it. The only truly secure system is one that is unplugged that can even be compromised.

I could see a new form of virus already also. One that infects one person then spreads to everyone on the cluster in the cloud system. People who say its impossible remember this nothing is impossible. Computer programs are created by people everything we do has flaws nothing is perfect. I have no doubt some truly genus person could figure it out and make it work.
 

I feel really bad for that guy lost all his information on 3 devices because of Apples lax security. I know this might sound harsh but who ever the rep was that just reset the password with out asking for verification should get fired. The case is that Apple does not verify information before resetting a password or giving out sensitive information. Then they should at the very least have ever new outlet report on it.
 
I agree with Wozniak on this one.

Ah the Cloud. Love or hate it, it is going to be with us for some time. Rather, the term is new, but the idea is old.

I do not fear the Cloud. Several of my employers do to some extent. I use Dropbox and everything I put in my Dropbox is also stored on my computer. So if DB dies, I do not lose anything. Should there be a problem, I can recover files from my cache folder or recover past revisions using Dropbox/PackRat.

But that assumes there are no catastrophic issues with Dropbox. Fortunately, they back up their servers across several server farms using Amazon S3. And because the files I upload to Dropbox stay on my computer, losing files is not a concern.

I use Dropbox For Teams, so I have a full Terabyte of storage. As of today, I have 104 MB of files stored, so I have room to grow.

I keep some financial info on Dropbox but I also use TrueCrypt. This is quite secure. I use a password like "3D45VB7UYOP" so guessing my password is not likely. I also use a specific Windows file as part of my protection so even if you guessed my password, without the file you can't (easily) hack my files.

From the 'Did You Know that' department. Dropbox keeps only one copy of any file on their servers. If 5000 people upload the same eBook, only one copy is kept on their servers and each of those 5000 users is served the same copy.

Dropbox did have a problem with people uploading special hacked files that would appear to Dropbox as legitimate files. So you could upload a fake file and DL the aforementioned book. Or movies or music.

Dropbox put a stop to that some time ago.

Perhaps you Dropbox users might have wondered why a 500 MB file seems to upload almost instantly while a 1 MB file takes a little time to sync? This is because some other user is storing the exact same file in their Dropbox.

Dropbox is also a place to keep illegal content for sharing, but as soon as thousands of people try to access the files, DB is very good at killing your links. Yesterday, I followed a link to a file posted on this forum and the link was killed due to vast numbers of folks trying to access the file.

I like the cloud because (with Dropbox, anyway) I can do many spectacular things. For example, I can upload music, stills, video, text files and Word documents to one Dropbox folder and the automation programs I use will automatically move the files into separate folders by file types.

I can upload a file with my brother's name appended to the image file name and DB/Automation will automatically email the file to my brother after automation reduces the file size. Everything goes into one folder.

But those are advanced techniques that have nothing to do with Woz and his comments, so I'll return to the regularly scheduled thread.

Woz was rather general when he (apparently) made the comment that the files you upload to "the Cloud" are no longer yours; that they belong to the service provider. I do not think even Apple makes that claim with iCloud. To be fair, I stopped reading their TOS, so perhaps they do.

No, I'll say it, Apple does not make that claim and Woz should have perhaps done his research.

Just because 'The Woz' said it, does not make it accurate. I am not sure it was ever the case because as someone posted, we would hear about it. I am not saying some service did NOT make that claim; it seems to me someone did, some time ago.

Just saying it is not true in every case and with every Cloud services provider.

I still use Flash Drives and MicroSD Cards to hold files because I am not always guaranteed a connection to the Internet. I backup those drives and cards to my Dropbox.

We need to live with the Cloud and see what eventual issues arise. Just do not let the experiences of a few people paint a dim picture of Cloud storage. We do have some prior experiences to use as a guide: Banks tell us our data is safe but still, some banks are hacked. We have used The Cloud forever, so it is not new, and every time we have a problem, we are told it was an isolated incident, yet it happens again. And yes, even Dropbox will be hacked, as will other cloud services.

If you want absolute safety, do not connect to the Internet and keep all files off these servers. We are told we are safe. We know better. My work laptop is 100% secure, guaranteed. No known way to hack my laptop computer. That is because it never sees a net connection or email account.

We will always have security issues and concerns and a few bad experiences will try to convince us that there is a serious issue with the cloud in general. But those are the experiences of a few people that represent a tiny fraction of the user base and repeated endlessly over the net.

I found a consultancy job with a local law firm to teach their staff how to properly use Dropbox. Their big concern was hackers and how to deal with legal case documents getting out there. I can see their point. For them, DB is as safe as it can be but not guaranteed because that is impossible

Cloud storage services can be handy and safe if you use them properly.
 
I haven't used cloud storage except for contacts with google since that is just standard with android devices. I in my opinion believe having a hard copy of something is more secure then trusting some source thats in the cloud. I like to back up my hard drives to externals then I also have RAID 1 with my storage drive in my PC to help ensure my own data protection.

I don't like how everyone is trying to push people into cloud storage. I like my own privacy policy, whats mine is mine... Simple, short, and to the point

I agree. This should always be an Opt Out thing. Unfortunately, when a Google or Apple moves entirely to the cloud, opting out means you stop using their services.

But . . . is this such a bad thing? I can do without Apple and Google. I have several non-Google email accounts and if I want to delete iTunes, there are options. I still like iTunes, however.

Perhaps when they stop getting new members and signups and the ad revenue drops they learn it has to do with the security of the cloud, they might stop.

Or not. We have been sold the cloud because it is so convenient. And it is. No matter which computer I use or the mobile device, I have constant access to my crap. Two phones, three laptops and any computer on the planet gives me total access.
 
whole cloud things seems icky from the get go, an no one in the gen public really understands how it works different then say a web server you dump data on.

they barley get the idea of that, oh your business has a website and your own hosting space, well add a cloud to boost your sales today.

Can't wait for that stuff to go away.
 
whole cloud things seems icky from the get go, an no one in the gen public really understands how it works different then say a web server you dump data on.

they barley get the idea of that, oh your business has a website and your own hosting space, well add a cloud to boost your sales today.

Can't wait for that stuff to go away.

The cloud is here to stay in my view. Actually, "the cloud" has been with us for decades. Unless there is a user revolt that stops Apple, Microsoft, Dropbox and other services, that is.

People still suffer attacks, yet they still use the Internet. They still use banking applications and they still avoid strong security.

Accounts are compromised daily and I do not think it will stop. It will get worse as more people flock to the cloud.

Either someone will create an unhackable security system that is easy to use or something really bad will happen that makes people flee the cloud altogether. We silly humans cannot be told of the dangers, we must learn a few hard lessons that cost us dearly.

Lets hope our presidents do not store the launch codes on/in the clouds. I hear the football is heavy.
 
The cloud is here to stay in my view. Actually, "the cloud" has been with us for decades...
Yep. The "cloud" buzzword is just a fancy way of saying that your data is stored on an Internet host.

I've been backing up my own (and my clients') data to "the cloud" a.k.a. a colocated computer out in Fremont, CA for years. I also do cross-site backups, where for example, office A backs up to office B and vice versa. If the data is valuable, it's worth keeping safe through redundant backup strategies.

Notice that most of the backup sites are locations that I know of and can get to if I want. IMHO it would be foolish to store data "on the Internet" so that I'm SOL if I don't have an Internet connection handy. I certainly wouldn't sign away the rights to my private data just to get a "free" "cloud". Woz has a point, but frankly I'm fine with technological Darwinism and people who leapt without first looking generating an endless stream of business to my virtual doorstep. :D
 
I prefer to own my cloud so with a NAS, broadband, wifi and a few choice apps, everything is backed up and always available
 
So many really good points for both sides of the issue here. I've always said the internet was a postcard that keeps traveling around the world for everyone to see, sign, copy, and share. I have some things on the cloud and I have some things on local storage. I just keep the idea that if someone wants any type of information on me then it can be gotten fairly easily with out the help of the internet so with the help it's even easier. As much stuff as you think is private that and more, is more public than you think. If you have something you don't want others to know you have to keep it from the risk of exposure.
 
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