ARR22
Android Enthusiast
Im in, there should be a online petition created too.
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Internal Memory and Bloatware
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Im in, there should be a online petition created too.
This is just a little rant:
Why the hell did HTC only leave about 300MB free internal memory if they (and Sprint) are going to continue feeding us baked in Apps?? (Nova, Blockbuster, etc)
Even with Apps2SD, I've been hovering around 50MB of free space and I've only had my phone for 6 months!
It really sucks to have to uninstall apps that I enjoy and use to make room for bloatware that I will never use (Blockbuster) and for Demos that I've tried MONTHS ago on my own and do not want (Nova)
I sure hope the next iteration of the EVO (Evo 2?) has at LEAST 8GB of internal memory.
I'm totally ok with that. But why not at least follow Microsoft's and Apple's model - sure, ok, distribute with demo and bloatware - but let the user uninstall it.
That would remove a large driver for rooting - something they hate - and would also alleviate what's bound to be a new round of complaints over memory.
I think they could easily meet their market goals without this kind of jack-booted nonsense.
Android's a full-up OS, not a feature-phone OS.
Hey Sprint - take a clue on how to distribute bloatware from the big boys like Microsoft - they've been distributing operating systems longer than you and they know how to do this properly.
There. Am I done ranting? Why, yes. Yes, I am.
I agree with you guys 100%. And i've thought about rooting alot, but I always see all of the rooted people FLIPPING out about when sprint releases updated OS'. So thats when I feel happy about not having to worry about installing a OTA and having it brick my phone...Which brings me to just that...Bricking my phone. I have the worse luck in the world when it comes to stuff like this, I could follow the instructions to a T and still end up with a high end brick.
andygu3
Android Expert
Hunterbeav
Android Enthusiast
I agree an online petition would be the way to go,I bet we could get thousands of people from this site alone, throw in a few links to other forums and the power would be endless
kencrudup
Android Enthusiast
... yeah ... good luck with that ...!
... yeah ... good luck with that ...!
Well - there's always hope. We're finally getting traction on loud TV commercials, something that's been fought since the '60s:
Anti-loud commercial law passes the House -- Engadget HD
Maybe when enough congresscritters get stuck with bloatware, they'll do something....
Then again - we are having insane net neutrality issues right now -
DailyTech - Top Wireless Firms Plot to Make Wireless Users Pay Per Page
If we don't make our voices heard and soon (and they'll tell us it's too late, but it never is), bloatware will be the least of our troubles.
Net neutrality rules: coming December 21
Meanwhile, for bloatware, there's always root - not the best option, and not viable for many.
Wish I could say that anyone in government will care about bloatware right now, but with the issues we have - I dunno, either.
Those that want an easy way to access their lawmakers email and other contact info - Congress, free app in the Market, I recommend it.
That all said - sure, if an anti-bloatware petition shows up, I'll sign it.
I'm curious how it would be defined or worded, tho....
Drew5150
Android Expert
to those of you thinking of rooting, this weekend and possibly the next may be a bad time root if you end up needing some quick help.
this forum seems slower these days and especially on the weekends. and with our upcoming holidays there may be no one around here to help you get out of a jam.
or proceed with patience
this forum seems slower these days and especially on the weekends. and with our upcoming holidays there may be no one around here to help you get out of a jam.
or proceed with patience
andygu3
Android Expert
to those of you thinking of rooting, this weekend and possibly the next may be a bad time root if you end up needing some quick help.
this forum seems slower these days and especially on the weekends. and with our upcoming holidays there may be no one around here to help you get out of a jam.
or proceed with patience
Patience and research is key when rooting
Welcome to the forums!
It'll come via OTA, you can choose to accept it or not.
In addition to the bloatware we don't like, it comes with some updates and stability enhancements.
It'll come via OTA, you can choose to accept it or not.
In addition to the bloatware we don't like, it comes with some updates and stability enhancements.
drexappeal
Extreme Android User
That's the only part of rooting that really scares me, but at the same time, it just seems from the rave reviews of people that have rooted the EVO that the phone doesn't really show its "true" colors of superiority until it's rooted.
Just wish I had the time to really sit down and read through the threads 'bout rooting. This being my first Android phone, I've been hesitant to do it. I got brave on my 2nd Windows Mobile phone to edit the registry, but did mess up a couple times.
ARR22
Android Enthusiast
Great thats all we need Government take over of yet another industry. It may sound good on paper, but we all know how great the Government executes. NOT! If this POS legislation goes through, you all can say bye bye to you internet freedom. We can look forward to censorship, censorship and more censorship.
Great thats all we need Government take over of yet another industry. It may sound good on paper, but we all know how great the Government executes. NOT! If this POS legislation goes through, you all can say bye bye to you internet freedom. We can look forward to censorship, censorship and more censorship.
I've got three pieces of legislation there, I'm going to presume you mean the BS one that will cripple net neutrality.
Net neutrality is simple. Leave the net alone, don't let service providers make it exclusionary. This was how the FCC was treating it in the past - they classified it one way - but with the big engulf&devour types creeping in, we need the force of law to keep it that way. This makes it a political football.
And why am I, a mod, apparently posting this off-topic stuff here?
It's not off-topic.
And at this point, because this is a long post, I'm sparing those not interested or those with mobile browsers - just tap the little "Show" button below to see my thoughts on this - I think it'll be worth your while.
There's an old saying that the camel gets into the tent by putting his nose in first.
Take bloatware. Rob_A says if we don't run Nova, it's a drop in the bucket for rom and that's it. OK, that's a nuisance, but let's say ok for the moment.
Now - take the case any bloatware that will always run - either because of how the carrier snuck it in, or because it gets some start-running intent from a service you need.
And now imagine two things: 1) that bloatware is trickling some i/o out on the net and 2) net neutrality is defeated and the carrier can charge for tiered services.
That adds up to a hidden charge and a nefarious one - the user will essentially be paying for the carrier's net transactions that he wanted no part of.
And if the only ways to stop it are to void your warranty by rooting or to make Android unstable by running a task killer - then that adds up to something even more nefarious.
Sorry to say the sky could fall someday - but these guys are greedy and if you give 'em an inch they'll take a mile.
So - yeah, potentially bloatware and net babbling can add up to something serious.
Here's something nefarious also not seemingly related - but it is:
http://www.daily-chronicle.com/2010/12/09/iphone-users-mad-at-games-hidden-costs/a3np7me/
Why did I pull that in? Well, honestly the hyperbole of children's parents being taken to the cleaners was very hard to resist - but I could've resisted it were it not for this one thing I think we've all been through:
Arguing as individuals that something's unfair on our bill.
As consumers, our only recourse is to ultimately pay a disconnect fee and change carriers. But we don't because the disconnect fee is always greater than the complaint.
And so, I'm just ringing the dinner bell about the camel's nose in the tent - and it starts for us at the most personal level with apps we can't control and don't know what they contain.
Now personally, I like Sprint not only because of the great quality of cell service and not only because of the great prices - but because it just seems to me they're much less evil than the other carriers. I can't back that up, it's just my opinion - they seem to let more slide when you take a phone into the store from purely anecdotal sense I've gathered. I haven't seen Sprint's name leading the anti-neutrality stuff (although I'm sure they'd go along with the crowd if it passes - I've not seen them in front against us).
And because of that - I've written the CEO of Sprint. I explained that I was rooted, that I knew what it entailed and why I did it. I gave my net name, the one I use here, and my full account info and real name. And who knows me based on who I am and what I really do.
So, within my best ability, I've tried to make clear that this isn't a crackpot issue.
I don't expect others to do this - one of us hanging our necks out should be more than sufficient.
And while I think bloatware is evil and the end of humanity, I still don't think Sprint's evil on this.
I think they're immature.
I think they know, like all advertisers, that if you reach X people, then 1/6 of X will pay attention, and 1/6 of that 1/6 will try it, and that 1/6 of that 1/6 of that 1/6 will buy it. (That 1/6 model was from something I picked up from a business major type roommate years ago - it's probably stale.) With that math, Sprint's making a potential beak-wetting of 1/4 million unit sales off of the bloatware - whatever that adds up to.
So - they have a profit motive.
But - because this isn't like other phones, as I'd mentioned earlier - they don't get it. They're packaging this stuff like we still have feature phones - and despite selling smartphones before, sorry to say we're the center of the universe but Android is just different.
If we all ask for no bloatware, they won't listen - nor should they.
The first exec that says everyone's rates should go up on account of that lost revenue stream from 5k per 1-million sets of bloatware will get fired.
But - if we can get an opt-out and erase option from them, then we win.
And great, honest guys like drexappeal and others won't have to sweat rooting.
That would be win-win. That would be the bloatware petition I'd sign.
And that would put our nose into their tent - we're going to control what on our phones is accessing the net and we'll control when. That establishes our voice in controlling hidden charges.
Sorry for the new rant - but I think I'm right.
Take bloatware. Rob_A says if we don't run Nova, it's a drop in the bucket for rom and that's it. OK, that's a nuisance, but let's say ok for the moment.
Now - take the case any bloatware that will always run - either because of how the carrier snuck it in, or because it gets some start-running intent from a service you need.
And now imagine two things: 1) that bloatware is trickling some i/o out on the net and 2) net neutrality is defeated and the carrier can charge for tiered services.
That adds up to a hidden charge and a nefarious one - the user will essentially be paying for the carrier's net transactions that he wanted no part of.
And if the only ways to stop it are to void your warranty by rooting or to make Android unstable by running a task killer - then that adds up to something even more nefarious.
Sorry to say the sky could fall someday - but these guys are greedy and if you give 'em an inch they'll take a mile.
So - yeah, potentially bloatware and net babbling can add up to something serious.
Here's something nefarious also not seemingly related - but it is:
http://www.daily-chronicle.com/2010/12/09/iphone-users-mad-at-games-hidden-costs/a3np7me/
Why did I pull that in? Well, honestly the hyperbole of children's parents being taken to the cleaners was very hard to resist - but I could've resisted it were it not for this one thing I think we've all been through:
Arguing as individuals that something's unfair on our bill.
As consumers, our only recourse is to ultimately pay a disconnect fee and change carriers. But we don't because the disconnect fee is always greater than the complaint.
And so, I'm just ringing the dinner bell about the camel's nose in the tent - and it starts for us at the most personal level with apps we can't control and don't know what they contain.
Now personally, I like Sprint not only because of the great quality of cell service and not only because of the great prices - but because it just seems to me they're much less evil than the other carriers. I can't back that up, it's just my opinion - they seem to let more slide when you take a phone into the store from purely anecdotal sense I've gathered. I haven't seen Sprint's name leading the anti-neutrality stuff (although I'm sure they'd go along with the crowd if it passes - I've not seen them in front against us).
And because of that - I've written the CEO of Sprint. I explained that I was rooted, that I knew what it entailed and why I did it. I gave my net name, the one I use here, and my full account info and real name. And who knows me based on who I am and what I really do.
So, within my best ability, I've tried to make clear that this isn't a crackpot issue.
I don't expect others to do this - one of us hanging our necks out should be more than sufficient.
And while I think bloatware is evil and the end of humanity, I still don't think Sprint's evil on this.
I think they're immature.
I think they know, like all advertisers, that if you reach X people, then 1/6 of X will pay attention, and 1/6 of that 1/6 will try it, and that 1/6 of that 1/6 of that 1/6 will buy it. (That 1/6 model was from something I picked up from a business major type roommate years ago - it's probably stale.) With that math, Sprint's making a potential beak-wetting of 1/4 million unit sales off of the bloatware - whatever that adds up to.
So - they have a profit motive.
But - because this isn't like other phones, as I'd mentioned earlier - they don't get it. They're packaging this stuff like we still have feature phones - and despite selling smartphones before, sorry to say we're the center of the universe but Android is just different.
If we all ask for no bloatware, they won't listen - nor should they.
The first exec that says everyone's rates should go up on account of that lost revenue stream from 5k per 1-million sets of bloatware will get fired.
But - if we can get an opt-out and erase option from them, then we win.
And great, honest guys like drexappeal and others won't have to sweat rooting.
That would be win-win. That would be the bloatware petition I'd sign.
And that would put our nose into their tent - we're going to control what on our phones is accessing the net and we'll control when. That establishes our voice in controlling hidden charges.
Sorry for the new rant - but I think I'm right.
ARR22
Android Enthusiast
Drew5150
Android Expert
removing apps should not worry you at all. unless you think you are just going to go insane and start deleting everything off your phone.. lol
1: you shouldn't need to delete that much to gain some extra space.
2: use the fresh rom. it is almost completely stock with bloatware removed. the bloatware will come in a folder on your sd card so that you can install it if you wish. and it comes with a couple of root essential apps. so all the work is done for you.
3: if you do screw up by removing an app you can just reflash the same rom over your current rom and you won't loose any settings. this goes for any custom or stock rom.
Tempusfugit
Android Enthusiast
lol, like congressman care about what people actually think...
a better idea: class action lawsuit
Can I sue sprint for breach of contract? I agreed to a 2 year contract with a phone with certain capabilities. By "updating" with uninstallable apps, you are taking away the capability of the phone, and I should no longer be bound by the contract for what is in essence, a different phone.
They probably have some update clause in the contract, but I think this is still a valid case... What if they just fill out the whole 1 gig one day and you can't use anything but what sprint installed for you?
a better idea: class action lawsuit
Can I sue sprint for breach of contract? I agreed to a 2 year contract with a phone with certain capabilities. By "updating" with uninstallable apps, you are taking away the capability of the phone, and I should no longer be bound by the contract for what is in essence, a different phone.
They probably have some update clause in the contract, but I think this is still a valid case... What if they just fill out the whole 1 gig one day and you can't use anything but what sprint installed for you?
When your OTA appeared, you had the option to not take it - and you can suppress your phone from ever taking updates.
That would've preserve its state from the day you bought it.
You chose to opt-in.
You're advocating a class action lawsuit against the contract - IANAL - but I think you'll need another approach.
Twistax
Well-Known Member
This is just a little rant:
Why the hell did HTC only leave about 300MB free internal memory if they (and Sprint) are going to continue feeding us baked in Apps?? (Nova, Blockbuster, etc)
Even with Apps2SD, I've been hovering around 50MB of free space and I've only had my phone for 6 months!
It really sucks to have to uninstall apps that I enjoy and use to make room for bloatware that I will never use (Blockbuster) and for Demos that I've tried MONTHS ago on my own and do not want (Nova)
I sure hope the next iteration of the EVO (Evo 2?) has at LEAST 8GB of internal memory.
Apps --> SD
That works on bloatware?
With root and nand access and the stock rooted ROM, anything can be uninstalled with Titanium Backup, yes?