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HTC Built in Task Manager!

I'm sorry but I really hate this argument about rooting your phone and voiding your warranty. Would I ever turn my phone in if I bricked it by rooting? How many people actually brick their phone by rooting? If so, you're not very intelligent. Plain and simple. I've rooted at least 20+ devices with no issues. No. I've had to put phones in under warranty that are rooted but had defects with the hardware.

There are TONS of threads for each phone that tell you how to get back to stock. Don't be a douche and turn your phone in if you messed it up. If it is manufacturer defect than that is another issue altogether.

At the end of the day your phone warranty is still voided, technically speaking. Even if you go to "unroot" and bring it in for hardware issues, you have technically voided your warranty. Some people have issues on a moral level with this, and that is fine. Others, using a company phone (paid by company money) don't want to (and shouldn't have to) take this risk.
 
Why? Sometimes you know what the problem is, but you cant do anything about it, with out voiding your warranty. Why should you not auto kill your problem.

You're basically saying that some built-in crapware in /system/app is responsible for out-of-the-box poor battery life. This hasn't been the case for the Evo. Even at their default sync settings, the drain was negligible. I tested this extensively when I was considering deleting ATK and before I was rooted.

If you take the further step of just configuring the settings a little bit, like turning off any syncing, battery drain is pretty much non-existent. Sure the apps still show up by themselves, but they aren't doing anything except taking up some memory.

I do agree that their mere presence does affect performance to some extent and therefore there is an indirect tax on the battery, but when you're draining half to all of your battery in a 12-hour period doing next to nothing, it's not the crapware that's responsible.
 
I do agree that their mere presence does affect performance to some extent and therefore there is an indirect tax on the battery, but when you're draining half to all of your battery in a 12-hour period doing next to nothing, it's not the crapware that's responsible.

Why do we constantly have to discuss this topic with folks? I read slick1020 battery tweaks thread and I think it needs to be sent to Sprint/Android or something. WTF...Sprint/Best Buy reps aren't even up to speed on Android.

Someone said a Sprint Store was making in mandatory for reps to send people out the door with ATK. I said BS and there is no way a Sprint Store could be so idiotic.
 
Why do we constantly have to discuss this topic with folks? I read slick1020 battery tweaks thread and I think it needs to be sent to Sprint/Android or something. WTF...Sprint/Best Buy reps aren't even up to speed on Android.

Someone said a Sprint Store was making in mandatory for reps to send people out the door with ATK. I said BS and there is no way a Sprint Store could be so idiotic.

To be honest they could care less about optimizing the phone, well actually that what there doing before they release the phone (Sprint's version) If you realize by now is that all Evo act diffidently with the same tweak, i.e. Me and you could apply the same tweak and you get good result and I get horrible results. That would be to much money on R&D, Sprint won't waste there time on it! The Smartphones are doing their jobs running and the battery can't handle them! The battery industry need to come up with something new and efficient...
 
You haven't been to my local Sprint store. That's exactly what they insist on doing.

And that's exactly how I ended up with ATK on my phone. First Android for me, so I didn't know any better.

When I first heard that task killers were "bad," I was actually skeptical. But the more research I did, the more tests I conducted on my phone, it became clear that it was totally unnecessary. My own testing never showed harm (more drain from using ATK than not).

So I uninstalled it.

More recently, I went back to the Sprint store to see if they were still installing ATK on Androids. I actually do have respect for the people who work there. They are smart but sometimes misguided, so if they were still doing it, I was going to explain to them why not.

I was pleased to see that they were no longer installing ATK. Instead, they were now telling people to check their sync settings, and turn off radios they don't plan to use much. And avoid live wallpapers.

Pretty good starting point if you ask me.
 
So task killers don't cause problems? This dude in the EVO forum has just learned why you shouldn't run it on the EVO: http://androidforums.com/htc-evo-4g/327413-my-evo-slowwwwww.html

Stating that task killers DON'T cause problems is just as big a generalization as stating that they DO cause problems. It all depends on how they are written, and then of course how they are used. Plenty of the good uses and "bad" uses have been covered in this thread already.
 
I want to know how will it work with Android Os, will it be a hindrance and/or can you turn it off if needed!?
 
You're basically saying that some built-in crapware in /system/app is responsible for out-of-the-box poor battery life. This hasn't been the case for the Evo. .
I use a task killer on a unrooted phone, if I do not use it, I will get about 5 maybe 6 hours of battery. If I use it, to kill the amazon mp3 app, the blockbuster app, and sprint zone, I will get about 20-30 hours of battery. So you may not have malfunctioning apps on your phone, does not mean they cant malfunction. I cant root my phone and for those that cant or will not root their phone, auto task killers do work.
 
I played with the HTC Task Manager on the leaked Kingdom ROM today. It was pretty underwhelming. It tells you how much free internal memory you have, and it lists the active apps with an X next to them so you can kill them manually if you want. There is no auto task killer built in to the task manager.

I'll stick with System Panel.
 
I use a task killer on a unrooted phone, if I do not use it, I will get about 5 maybe 6 hours of battery. If I use it, to kill the amazon mp3 app, the blockbuster app, and sprint zone, I will get about 20-30 hours of battery. So you may not have malfunctioning apps on your phone, does not mean they cant malfunction. I cant root my phone and for those that cant or will not root their phone, auto task killers do work.


It's been a while since I was not rooted (stock Eclair), but I remember that sprint zone can be turned off (disable it from using data) in the settings so that it pretty much does nothing. can't remember if amazonmp3 could be turned off.... and I don't think I had a blockbuster app back on 2.1, so can't say there either.

I see your point though. if for whatever reason the system apps behave in a way you can't control, then you have no choice but to kill them.
 
I use a task killer on a unrooted phone, if I do not use it, I will get about 5 maybe 6 hours of battery. If I use it, to kill the amazon mp3 app, the blockbuster app, and sprint zone, I will get about 20-30 hours of battery. So you may not have malfunctioning apps on your phone, does not mean they cant malfunction. I cant root my phone and for those that cant or will not root their phone, auto task killers do work.

Why don't you sign out of the Amazon MP3 app and go into the settings for the Blockbuster app and disable the app from sending/receiving data? Its either or with apps. Either you need to sign out, exit, or adjust the send/receive data schedule for the app in order for some of them not to sip battery juice throughout the day. Its just not rocket science for a lot of us.

Doesn't require a task manager. If an app has a problem, I go into applications and I force close the app. Its simple and I don't need a task killer to do that for me.
 
I use a task killer on a unrooted phone, if I do not use it, I will get about 5 maybe 6 hours of battery. If I use it, to kill the amazon mp3 app, the blockbuster app, and sprint zone, I will get about 20-30 hours of battery. So you may not have malfunctioning apps on your phone, does not mean they cant malfunction. I cant root my phone and for those that cant or will not root their phone, auto task killers do work.

I leave all those apps running constantly and can easily get 24 hours of battery life without breaking a sweat.

Go into the app settings and set them to not do anything.
 
That won't work for some of us with Amazon MP3 player. Been there, done that. Once it hits that cycle to check in with Amazon, it will babble to no end in the background and eat a battery. I played with task killers specifically for that one. There are pages of threads around here with me explaining the problem to others not having it, and trying everything to no avail.

My only guess was I had an Amazon account, and once made the mistake of visiting their website and logged in from my phone. After that, the intent set was different than others experienced - and no account clearing would save it. It kept awake a lot-- and it kept restoring my account info.

In the end, I rooted and deleted the frakking thing.

Along with the other bloatware.

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If I were in some of position like this again, and cared about not getting caught rooted, I'd perm root it, leave HBOOT alone, freeze the bloatware, with maybe Titanium Backup Pro, skip the killer; and, if I had to restore the phone, I'd unfreeze and then unroot, leaving no traces. That's just me, and everyone's mileage varies.
 
Why don't you sign out of the Amazon MP3 app and go into the settings for the Blockbuster app and disable the app from sending/receiving data? Its either or with apps. Either you need to sign out, exit, or adjust the send/receive data schedule for the app in order for some of them not to sip battery juice throughout the day.

LOL, you guys just don't get it. In order to sign out of amazon mp3, I WOULD HAVE TO SIGN IN. Do you understand that, never have click on the icon or started the app, never. It just runs in the background and every time you visit a webpage or listen to music, it sends data back to amazon. Same with the blockbuster app. Never clicked on it, never started it. It starts its self no matter what settings you use. You can not turn off sprint app, you have to let it run, if you try to disable it, it will complain that you have to have at least one function to close the app.

If amazon mp3 is allowed to run, it sucks down my battery, it will turn on automatically, with no way to turn it off. The only way to get rid of it and save the battery is to have it auto killed with atk.

Same goes for the half dozen other bloatware apps.

So please, unless you can tell me specifically want to do, to stop these apps from running continuously in the background, post it.

If you are going to say setting...blah...blah...blah, save the air, already tried it, it does not work.
 
Totally understand. Totally relate to your unique problem, as you see, I've been there.

Some intents on some carrier bloatware are truly unique - and must be experienced to be believed, much less understood. ;)
 
First off, just because you never opened an app or used an app doesn't mean you don't have to adjust the settings for the app. For the blockbuster app you need to hit menu - settings - disable movie updates or it will automatically update on its own. My phone isn't rooted and I have installed all the updates for the Amazon MP3 app first and foremost. Secondly, when I launch the app I always sign out of the app. Third, I have never killed any processes associated with any background services.

The sprint app is set to update once a month on my phone. So if someone says the app is eating battery everyday that's not even close to true because it updates once a month if you adjust the settings. No problem there either. I'm not experiencing any problems because I change the settings for apps, do all the updates, then go on about my business. And I leave WiFi on all day long.

Just because an app is sitting in the background doesn't mean its eating battery. Don't want to beat a dead horse.
 
If you check my personal posting history, you'll find I am dead against task killers, and know more than a slight amount about configurations and user-control of the config for proper results - as well as a few things about Dalvik control, and Android dev guidelines.

I'm therefore assuring you that the beneficial control mechanisms can be exploited by a truly evil and nefarious developer - and such is the case with the Amazon MP3 app, in particular.

Until you experience it - and investigate what it's really doing - you won't believe what evil is built into that app - and nothing at the user level will save it from wasting resources. Only root/delete, or a task killer for someone who knows that's right, but is constrained by contract to have no other choice.

The extreme evil case does exist.

If you're not constrained and have experienced this, root/delete is the way to go.

If you've not experienced what this app in particular can do - not apps that you think you can extrapolate behaviors to - this app - you're lucky to not know.
 
If you check my personal posting history, you'll find I am dead against task killers, and know more than a slight amount about configurations and user-control of the config for proper results - as well as a few things about Dalvik control, and Android dev guidelines.

I'm therefore assuring you that the beneficial control mechanisms can be exploited by a truly evil and nefarious developer - and such is the case with the Amazon MP3 app, in particular.

Until you experience it - and investigate what it's really doing - you won't believe what evil is built into that app - and nothing at the user level will save it from wasting resources. Only root/delete, or a task killer for someone who knows that's right, but is constrained by contract to have no other choice.

The extreme evil case does exist.

If you're not constrained and have experienced this, root/delete is the way to go.

If you've not experienced what this app in particular can do - not apps that you think you can extrapolate behaviors to - this app - you're lucky to not know.

Why doesn't Android OS include something to remove apps after Sprint installs bloatware onto the phones? Must be a contract thing.
 
Why doesn't Android OS include something to remove apps after Sprint installs bloatware onto the phones? Must be a contract thing.

Android is fully capable of removing the apps. It just requires root access, which the carrier demands not be given to the end user.

Think of it this way: a certain subset of apps are placed into a high-security folder. Most of these apps are related to the operating system: dialer, music, messages, mail, calendar, clock, calculator, launcher, etc. They are apps that are so fundamental that rarely would you have a reason to delete them.

Ok, enter crapware. Amazon tells Sprint, "hey, if you include my app, I'll pay you $$. But only if you make sure the app is protected and the user can't remove it." Sprint looks at the $$ and agrees. So Sprint calls up HTC and says, "hey, when you put together the final ROM for your phone, make sure you include this amazon app, and make sure you put it alongside Sense and Android, so the user can't mess with it. I'll split some of this $$ I got from Amazon with you."

Notice how Google and Android aren't really even in the picture.

If you root your device, you gain the required security clearance to access that protected area and simply delete the app. You also have the power to delete all the other stuff in there, which would likely F_ up your phone. That's the reason why that folder is protected, and that's another reason why end-users aren't given root access by default.

I can see a day coming when either Google or the manufacturer (HTC in our case) steps in and lays down some groundrules on how these crapware work. Ultimately if this type of app ruins the usability for a lot of people, it will become regulated. I'm hoping that carriers and third parties stop exploiting the /system area for dumping their crap.

At that point, the end-user is empowered with the choice of keeping the app or removing it. No more need for task killers, for sure.
 
^Yep. If Qik didn't show that the carrier-ware emperor has no clothes, I don't know what does. First distributed as a locked app, as if magical, it eventually made its way in the Market. So what is Qik? A system app or a user app?

I don't fault the carriers for making these kind of money-making deals. It's like ads - most of us don't go near most of them - but for those that do, money is made.

I fault the industry for thinking that Androids are like feature phones, rather than desktops. When I buy a Windows machine, it often has all sorts of sample nonsense that turns my stomach. I can uninstall it tho.

Can we please get our carrier-ware to have at least the same level of thought-maturity that Microsoft put into Windows crapware?

Motorola's answer to make Verizon happy is the infamous encrypted bootloader. How much of the root community would vaporize if people weren't upset with bloatware?
 
First off, just because you never opened an app or used an app doesn't mean you don't have to adjust the settings for the app. For the blockbuster app you need to hit menu - settings - disable movie updates or it will automatically update on its own. My phone isn't rooted and I have installed all the updates for the Amazon MP3 app first and foremost. Secondly, when I launch the app I always sign out of the app. Third, I have never killed any processes associated with any background services.

The sprint app is set to update once a month on my phone. So if someone says the app is eating battery everyday that's not even close to true because it updates once a month if you adjust the settings. No problem there either. I'm not experiencing any problems because I change the settings for apps, do all the updates, then go on about my business. And I leave WiFi on all day long.

Just because an app is sitting in the background doesn't mean its eating battery. Don't want to beat a dead horse.

Same experience here. I get fantastic battery life with the latest version of the Amazon MP3 player and all of Sprint's bloatware installed. I have never used a task killer.

I have also signed into and connected the Amazon MP3 player to my cloud account.

If we are running the same hardware, the same OS software, the same app versions - I fail to see how a YMMV tag can apply here. I think battery life is a voodoo science and people target the wrong things as culprits when troubleshooting.
 
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