It is on many HTC and other phones. It's a top brand for displays.
If you bought your Evo early on, it's got a Novatel or Epson display, later, they came with S-LCDs, too.
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3dEvo: Pre-release miscellany
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It is on many HTC and other phones. It's a top brand for displays.
If you bought your Evo early on, it's got a Novatel or Epson display, later, they came with S-LCDs, too.
DO IT!!!
Joswea
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Correct me if I'm wrong, anyone, but at the moment, the only official info we've gotten from Sprint or HTC is that it will be released at 1.2ghz. Any speculation about 1.5 is just that- speculation. It would be nice if they went ahead and pushed it to 1.5, and it seems like it would be in their best interest to release it as so, but for now, all we have to work with (guaranteed at least) is 1.2ghz. =]
So I'd say 100% 1.2ghz (at least), and [insertrandomnumberhere]% 1.5ghz
What difference will it make other than silly little benchmarks that mean absolutely nothing in terms of actual use?
The android OS, and the android apps don't come close to showing a difference between G2 and Galaxy S2.
I own a Hero, and it is in my interest to upgrade, but the real world performance gap between the Evo3D and Evo will be quite small in terms of actual use. The real difference resides in the features like screen res, HDMI out, and 3D not in synthetic benchmarks.
You can release a 1 terrahertz 20 core phone tomorrow that scores a 10,000,000 on quadrant but if it is not a feature rich phone, android will act exactly the same and apps would run the same as they do on an Epic.
Pretty much agree, just hoping for that performance boost I've got now without farting around with custom kernels.
I hope the thing comes out at 1.2 GHz - whatever it's going to do, it's going to do with longer battery life than running at 1.5 GHz.
I hope the thing comes out at 1.2 GHz - whatever it's going to do, it's going to do with longer battery life than running at 1.5 GHz.
Android 17
Android Enthusiast
Besides, I'm sure there'll be custom kernels shortly after that will support overclocking. People with G2's have been able to overclock the processor to 2 GHz, which is pretty insane and unnecessary for the most part. But it would still be nice to have the option to do so in EVO3D, if just to gloat every once in a while
Also, although I don't think the EVO3D will be a huge performance improvement over the EVO, right now we are bottlenecked by the weak GPU in the phone.
Our phones can't really handle some of the newer 3D games coming out, like say Dungeon Defenders, and heck, I can't even run certain live wallpapers without significantly slowing the phone down, even with custom kernels.
With the additional gaming-oriented API's introduced in 2.3, and with a growing focus on 3D gaming, as evidenced by devices like the Xperia play coming out, it'll certainly be nice to know we won't have to put up with the limitations we currently have to with our EVO's.
Android 17
Android Enthusiast
Despite all the accumulated evidence stating otherwise, I refuse to believe that 'S' simply stands for S.
Come on guys, why would you want just an 'S' screen on your phones when you can have a 'SUPER' one??
Maybe it'll even come with a new feature allowing our phones to fly for a limited period of time!
Brb, launching phone.
Come on guys, why would you want just an 'S' screen on your phones when you can have a 'SUPER' one??
Maybe it'll even come with a new feature allowing our phones to fly for a limited period of time!
Brb, launching phone.
lordofthereef
Android Expert
If Google gives us the hardware accelerated GUI that they have been talking about, I think we will benefit from the beefed up GPU at the very least.
Sense is hardware accelerated. No need to wait for Google.
ElasticNinja
Android Expert
beat me to the punch
lordofthereef
Android Expert
So all of the UI, even that which is more or less stock google, is hardware accelerated?
If this is the cases, apologies, and YIKES. It's still plenty choppy on most stock ROMs. That's a little scary considering so many people blame smoothness issues on hardware acceleration (or lack thereof rather).
lordofthereef
Android Expert
Well, the better question is, if is stands for something other than S, why not just call it super? From a marketing standpoint, calling something S-LCD and not EVER actually calling it Super-LCD is pretty silly.
Here is an example. What on earth does the "i" stand for in all the apple products? It's just there, has been for about a decade, and is accepted as nothing more than just a branding technique by pretty much everyone.
novox77
Leeeroy Jennnkinnns!
it stands for Internet.
and the e in email, ebooks, edocs, emachines, etc stands for Electronic. Just in case you didn't know that one either
I think the concept of HTC Sense being hardware accelerated needs to be properly vetted and confirmed.
If so, in all the presentations of the HTC sensation, the Sense 3.0 UI is still laggy as hell compared to iOS, WP7 and WebOS.
All anyone needs to do is actually go to Best Buy and try a non-android device, and you'll see how choppy the android UI is.
Judging by all the vids of the Evo3D and Sensation, lag is still an issue.
Even the Xoom with Honeycomb and hardware acceleration feels sluggish compared to the iPad, and Blackberry Playbook.
Android in general just isn't coded well enough to advantage of hardware. Take a look at the WP7 HTC Arrive on Sprint. It runs on gen 1, boring old 1GHz QSD8250 with Adreno 200, and it looks better, is more responsive, and has vastly better pinch to zoom and transition effects than a dual core Motorola Atrix.
novox77
Leeeroy Jennnkinnns!
Really? The hands-on vids I've seen show a pretty darn smooth Sense 3.0. And just to show that I'm qualified to state such a subjective opinion as accurate, I have used the iPhone and iPad extensively and know exactly how crappy Android framerate is in comparison. My Evo w/ fps cap removed running AOSP and optimized kernel doesn't come close either. And I've recorded my Evo at 60fps videocam and can clearly see the jitter of the Evo's ~30fps output. I don't see that in any of the Evo 3D hands-on vids.
I don't think any video can determine conclusively if Evo 3D is running as smooth as iPad/iPhone, but it's definitely smoother than any Android device I've seen on video or in person.
cmanbrazil
Well-Known Member
Excellent and true, for me and many others. I am all for specs, but without apps and an os to optimize those specs, it isn't worth the upgrade. I think a good discussion is what apps will now function well because of the upgrade in hardware.
I am hoping that the newer operating system will be more fluid and handle app storage better, as well as task and battery management. I read where somebody on one of the threads mentioned that the newer device will run more smoothly as well which is a big plus. I would be more happy with an incremental upgrade that excels at battery and task management then go around bragging about a dual core processor that runs about the same as my single core operating system.
I think google will have a lot to say about how well this device functions as well as app developers. How many people want to see a phone do a benchmark test vs those who want it to work well.
Like you said, it's hard to get the whole story from a demo vid. The Evo3D does look a bit smoother than many android devices, but then again the Evo3D has twice the hardware, so I wouldn't expect anything less.
However, I interpret this as being a problem with Android, not a solution. I'm still not seeing iOS, WP7 and WebOS response time and polish.
I'm hoping to see an improvement to response time, sluggishness and lag with Ice Cream (2.4), but truth be told. If I don't see the improvements I am looking for,the minute Sprint gets a 4", 4G WP7 phone with "Mango", I'll probably leave android except for the Asus Transformer.
I'll be keeping a close eye on Google IO in a couple of weeks, which will help me determine if I want a Nexus S or Evo3D, and if I continue to support android past Christmas time.
Vanquished
Android Expert
My favorite features about the phone is HTC Sense 3.0, the 1.2 GHz Dual Core processor, and the 540x960 QHD screen. Personally, 3D isn't really a big deal. With or without the 3D, the phone is still a BEAST!
I'd say number one would be the CPU/GPU...hopefully they perform and handle as good as Qualcomm is saying they do.
I'd follow that with the 1GB of RAM and 4gb of memory.
The 3D is cool, and something I'll use, but not the main reason I'm getting it.
It'd be interesting to have hands-on an E3D though to see how the lag issue has been eliminated. Hopefully Google continues to improve the OS in this aspect as well.
I didn't say that - I said Sense, meaning the launcher and a few HTC apps, are hardware accelerated. Sense does not equal everything on the phone.
FWIW - I didn't go with other roms or launchers for this reason, and went with one of netarchy's faster kernels, pre-30-fps fix for HTC - not one that undervolts or messes with the clock on the 8650. From there, I cut out all babbly-io apps, including a few of the Sense ones.
I have no complaints, experience no jerkiness and no lag in _Sense_.
My processor is typically running between 250~350 MHz, going up to 900+ when I run News and Browser - so, plenty of overhead to deal with user io requests.
Maybe I'm just lucky.
And yes - the info about HTC Sense being hardware accelerated has been out for some time.
Jackietreehorn
Android Enthusiast
While it likely speaks to power consumption going pretty much unchanged, I wonder if there's any way that they can attain better reception. Any ideas?
Android 17
Android Enthusiast
I've ran several different sense roms, by different developers and AOSP based roms like Miui and Cyanogenmod. Sense, in every single situation, has always been more jerky/inconsistent than AOSP.
So personally, even if it is hardware accelerated, it does a poor job of translating to real-world improvement, at least on our EVO's.
Not to say that AOSP roms don't occasionally act jerky or aren't inconsistent at times as well, but it's always been a more defined issue on sense roms.
Sense roms also take over 2 times the memory that a rom like Cyanogenmod does, so perhaps that contributes a bit to the lack of smoothness.
So personally, even if it is hardware accelerated, it does a poor job of translating to real-world improvement, at least on our EVO's.
Not to say that AOSP roms don't occasionally act jerky or aren't inconsistent at times as well, but it's always been a more defined issue on sense roms.
Sense roms also take over 2 times the memory that a rom like Cyanogenmod does, so perhaps that contributes a bit to the lack of smoothness.
novox77
Leeeroy Jennnkinnns!
reception is a limitation of the frequency in which Sprint's WiMAX operates (2.3+ ghz). High frequencies tend to get absorbed/dissipated faster than lower ones. If you've ever had a noisy neighbor/dormmate playing loud music, the stuff that makes it through the walls are the bass thumping, the lower frequencies. Everything else is absorbed by the walls. Same principle with the WiMAX. Signal will significantly degrade unless you have a good line of sight from a tower.
Jackietreehorn
Android Enthusiast
Ok, that's true, but (admittedly anecdotal) I've heard many times that someone with an Evo will get poorer coverage than say, one of those mifi type devices that Clear sells while sitting in the same spot. While I haven't tried it, I've heard in so many places that the Evo's reception is worse than the standalone units so much that I've pretty much taken it as true. Perhaps it's not? The Clear units aren't much bigger than an Evo really (although, they are thicker I suppose.)
novox77
Leeeroy Jennnkinnns!
The radio in standalone devices operate at higher power than in phones. This is true for GPS as well. The higher power allows the device to pick up on a weaker signal at the expense of battery life. A 4G mifi device has about 4 hours of battery life, and it's only job is to use 4G. A smartphone has to do so much more, and it can't house a big fat battery, so tradeoffs are made in radio power.
Radio performance = f(power, circuitry, antenna)
novox77 and I covered the first two - unless they're doing something better with the antenna, I'd expect no change from Evo performance.
Frequency is important to the extent that the other factors are compromised.
novox77 and I covered the first two - unless they're doing something better with the antenna, I'd expect no change from Evo performance.
Frequency is important to the extent that the other factors are compromised.
lordofthereef
Android Expert
Right. So then wouldn't we still benefit from hardware accelerated GUI regardless of whether Sense is already hardware accelerated or not? Not trying to sound confrontational (though I seem to be succeeding), just trying to understand is all.