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3dEvo: Pre-release miscellany

VIBER, I feel like you say everything I'm thinking. Love it.



I think the one thing people are forgetting about is we're talking about phones, made up of metal, glass, and plastic. It has no feelings and it won't be butthurt if we choose one over the other. Just remember that lol.

But what bothers me are the reasons some are picking the SGS2 over the Evo, such as battery life, or speed, etc. Now as an Evo owner I'm biased, I'll admit it I love my Evo it could possibly be my last phone its so good. But, I'm a realist and think through things rationally and with lots of thought never out of emotion. I used to be an Iphone fanboi since my friends all had them I thought they were the shit. I had no reason to suspect otherwise. Last year I got my first Android, the Hero and I got a taste of what life could be without an Iphone. My friends got Evo's, IP4s, and GS1s on multiple carriers which gave me time to play with them and get a feel of what I wanted when I upgraded in the future.

Fast forward to march this year and I got my upgrade. After dealing with my buddies Fascinate and Vibrant's issues, ie,. never being updated, not being able to transfer files via PC, crappy pentile display, feeling cheap, problems rooting, the list goes on, I decided against the Epic. My other friends with Evo's had no issues besides less than desirable battery life. Other than that they could not stop raving about their Evo's, mind you these guys had them for almost a year. My Dad also has the DroidX and that solidified me in getting the Evo (I love the big screen).

Getting the Evo was like a whole different experience. It was like Christmas x100 lol. After experiencing about 4 hours of battery life with decent usage I decided to figure out the problem. I asked my friends what they did and they said "just get the 3500 battery". My IP4, DROIDx, and GS1 friends didn't have big ass batteries so I figured there had to be something to help. I found this site and after searching a few threads I disabled everything I wasn't using. After doing that I could go to school at 6am, use the phone in all my classes and by 5pm I could have 40% left. Amazing difference. Later on I found out my Evo friends all kept WiFi, 3G, 4G, and even BT sometimes on 24/7! WTF? No wonder battery life sucked.

A couple weeks ago I flashed CM7 and the Tiamat kernel and my Evo is easily a 1 day phone with heavy use. My buddy with an iP4 can barely get a whole day with moderate use and his brightness is so low you can barely see it. I'm so sick and tired or people bitching about battery life on the Evo that its hard not to respond harshly.


Now I know the SGS2 is one kick ass phone, maybe even spec-wise better than the EVO3d BUT the deciding factor for me (and should be for most) to stay HTC is the support on this site and the support of HTC/sprint. After perusing Samsung and Moto forums since March the contrast between them and just the Evo forums is stark. Every question can be answered and in a friendly manner and there is just TONS of info. Not to mention how up to date the phones are kept. I couldn't believe my buddy with a Vibrant still had 2.1 in Feb! Even if the SGS2 is moderately faster there is no way I would jump ship from HTC to Samsung for a phone that uploaded a website 2 miliseconds faster or had a screen that had "deeper" blacks lol. I don't understand the logic.

As Earlymon says, this is Android where choice is good, just think about whats most important to you rather than benchmarks or specs and go from there.


Battery life should be the LAST thing on peoples minds here FWIW.

Sorry for the long winded post, its been building up for a while lol.
 
Do you guys feel we should pursue HTC to give the E3D 1080p support for 2D recording? I really think our phone should have this feature.
 
Do you guys feel we should pursue HTC to give the E3D 1080p support for 2D recording? I really think our phone should have this feature.

Honestly, I'm ambivalent about it.

Thanks to compression and frame processing, the data rate can be lower - but the MPEG2 data rate for 720p is half what it is for 1080p. Assuming equivalency down the line to get same quality just more pixels, that means double the storage and data rates to accommodate the exact same movies.

A lot of people saw an upgrade in visual quality going from crappy 720p or 1080i to 1080p HDTVs. And a lot of people heard a lot of myths.

But in the eye's ability to see detail, the order is: color, contrast, saturation and then finally, coming in at last place - is resolution. Anyone trying to relate this to still pictures finds it counterintuitive, but it's acceptable and proven.

Also - the scalar in my HDTV is of very high quality, and I've no doubt that for short, cell phone vids, 720p - if acceptable quality - is going to be more than enough.

What I want in widescreen vids is good color without motion artifacts - motion artifacts kill moving picture entertainment.

Others have different needs and different home video setups, so this is the answer for me, not everyone.

PS - Blu-ray is better, Blu-ray is 1080p. But all we really had before that was 480i DVD, scaled with better players and TVs and all most people have seen otherwise is crappily-compressed cable and satellite (and maybe local) TV at 720p and 1080i. (And if you've got decent equipment and decent local affiliates, broadcast HDTV is better than sat or cable - lots better - at no more than 720p or 1080i. In fact - if you're halfway deep into Blu-ray, you're aware that a lot of titles, while truly 1080p, are compressed and processed until they look like crap.)

In the pre-mandate, very early, experimental days of HDTV, ABC made a commitment to pure 720p from camera, through booth, thru feed, through rigidly-controlled standards at affliates ready to broadcast, for Monday Night Football. It was jaw-dropping. Nothing caught up with it until Blu-ray.

HD is HD and it doesn't suck when done correctly. Done poorly, it's just more dots.

I doubt the sensors could handle it - but if I could choose between 60 fps / 720p and 30 fps / 1080p, I'd take the 60 fps every time.

As it stands, I think we'll have to hope to get 30 fps at whatever rate - iow - barely good enough.
 
VIBER, I feel like you say everything I'm thinking. Love it.



I think the one thing people are forgetting about is we're talking about phones, made up of metal, glass, and plastic. It has no feelings and it won't be butthurt if we choose one over the other. Just remember that lol.

But what bothers me are the reasons some are picking the SGS2 over the Evo, such as battery life, or speed, etc. Now as an Evo owner I'm biased, I'll admit it I love my Evo it could possibly be my last phone its so good. But, I'm a realist and think through things rationally and with lots of thought never out of emotion. I used to be an Iphone fanboi since my friends all had them I thought they were the shit. I had no reason to suspect otherwise. Last year I got my first Android, the Hero and I got a taste of what life could be without an Iphone. My friends got Evo's, IP4s, and GS1s on multiple carriers which gave me time to play with them and get a feel of what I wanted when I upgraded in the future.

Fast forward to march this year and I got my upgrade. After dealing with my buddies Fascinate and Vibrant's issues, ie,. never being updated, not being able to transfer files via PC, crappy pentile display, feeling cheap, problems rooting, the list goes on, I decided against the Epic. My other friends with Evo's had no issues besides less than desirable battery life. Other than that they could not stop raving about their Evo's, mind you these guys had them for almost a year. My Dad also has the DroidX and that solidified me in getting the Evo (I love the big screen).

Getting the Evo was like a whole different experience. It was like Christmas x100 lol. After experiencing about 4 hours of battery life with decent usage I decided to figure out the problem. I asked my friends what they did and they said "just get the 3500 battery". My IP4, DROIDx, and GS1 friends didn't have big ass batteries so I figured there had to be something to help. I found this site and after searching a few threads I disabled everything I wasn't using. After doing that I could go to school at 6am, use the phone in all my classes and by 5pm I could have 40% left. Amazing difference. Later on I found out my Evo friends all kept WiFi, 3G, 4G, and even BT sometimes on 24/7! WTF? No wonder battery life sucked.

A couple weeks ago I flashed CM7 and the Tiamat kernel and my Evo is easily a 1 day phone with heavy use. My buddy with an iP4 can barely get a whole day with moderate use and his brightness is so low you can barely see it. I'm so sick and tired or people bitching about battery life on the Evo that its hard not to respond harshly.


Now I know the SGS2 is one kick ass phone, maybe even spec-wise better than the EVO3d BUT the deciding factor for me (and should be for most) to stay HTC is the support on this site and the support of HTC/sprint. After perusing Samsung and Moto forums since March the contrast between them and just the Evo forums is stark. Every question can be answered and in a friendly manner and there is just TONS of info. Not to mention how up to date the phones are kept. I couldn't believe my buddy with a Vibrant still had 2.1 in Feb! Even if the SGS2 is moderately faster there is no way I would jump ship from HTC to Samsung for a phone that uploaded a website 2 miliseconds faster or had a screen that had "deeper" blacks lol. I don't understand the logic.

As Earlymon says, this is Android where choice is good, just think about whats most important to you rather than benchmarks or specs and go from there.


Battery life should be the LAST thing on peoples minds here FWIW.

Sorry for the long winded post, its been building up for a while lol.

Yeah, what he said lol...

Other than that, I decided to put my name on that good old waiting list today (#15 or 16), so I'm hoping they get at least 20-30 3d's. Since two lines on my family plan were eligible for contract extension i got a credit of $140 to my bill and mistakenly one guy told me it doesn't affect my upgrade eligibility (apparently it was supposed to), so i showed proof to the next person a talked to and POW right in the kisser! I'm getting those feelings i got when the Evo came out last June :cool: I'm just going to charge the whole phone to my bill and sell the Evo for 100+, to have some nice pocket change..

So for those of you eligible for a full upgrade ask someone about the $70 contract extension, but be sure to ask before it's all said and done if it would affect your upgrade.
 
I hope sprint goes with LTE; the sooner the better. In fact I think Sprint realizes they made a mistake with wimax and better switch fast if they are to remain competitive. Verizon and T-Mobile are kicking their rump in terms of 4g availability and download speeds. There are cons with LTE but if you can't get a signal indoors it doesn't give you the option to drain your battery in a jiffy :)


Well, if it weren't for my 1 year upgrade eligibility every year, I probably would hesitate to upgrade to any of the phones being discussed in this thread:

Falcone?s LightSquared in Deal With Sprint - Bloomberg

That said, I'm still likely to upgrade to one of the 3. But how sad would that be if none of these phones would be relivant to 4G in 3 years, if Sprint is solely going with LTE?
 
going to have to disagree slightly with novox77

3D is not necessarily the near future. 3D movies were popular in the 50s, had a resurgance in the 80s, and now recently. Seems to me like a trend every 30 years.

I can see some things being better for 3D like action movies and cartoons, I dont see it taking over all tv and media anytime soon. I could be wrong, just saying I dont think its a shoe in to stay and take over all as you make it seem.


and to Half Baked:

I asked some friends about AOL, and nobody knows what it is (granted they arent very tech savy, nor am I). You're saying its like gmail and yahoo? How new is this? I like to be on the cutting edge, if its good I'll def try it. Thanks
 
and to Half Baked:

I asked some friends about AOL, and nobody knows what it is (granted they arent very tech savy, nor am I). You're saying its like gmail and yahoo? How new is this? I like to be on the cutting edge, if its good I'll def try it. Thanks

I thought you was joking before but I think your serious! LMAO how old are you? And don't worry, AOL is crap so its not worth knowing about.

Come to think of, I feel old now...:(
 
I asked some friends about AOL, and nobody knows what it is (granted they arent very tech savy, nor am I). You're saying its like gmail and yahoo? How new is this? I like to be on the cutting edge, if its good I'll def try it. Thanks

AOL is America On-Line. When there was BBS, CompuServe - and a few people using the actual internet - AOL came along. Gave away free discs and CDs in magazine for a one-month free trial and locked a lot of subscribers in under contract.

Eventually their network opened a portal to the internet - and they were left with little to offer a lot of people.

In essence, they were kinda like one of the early dial-up ISPs. Kinda.

The company declined from what it once was. AOL is the exact opposite of cutting edge, but they popularized many things for the masses that didn't realize these things existed already on the internet. MSN and others followed suit with similar services.

If you've heard of AIM or have an AIM account for chatting - that's AOL Instant Message (pretty good, actually).

Otherwise, tody it's exactly how he explained - another free email service.
 
I thought you was joking before but I think your serious! LMAO how old are you? And don't worry, AOL is crap so its not worth knowing about.

Come to think of, I feel old now...:(

AOL is America On-Line. When there was BBS, CompuServe - and a few people using the actual internet - AOL came along. Gave away free discs and CDs in magazine for a one-month free trial and locked a lot of subscribers in under contract.

Eventually their network opened a portal to the internet - and they were left with little to offer a lot of people.

In essence, they were kinda like one of the early dial-up ISPs. Kinda.

The company declined from what it once was. AOL is the exact opposite of cutting edge, but they popularized many things for the masses that didn't realize these things existed already on the internet. MSN and others followed suit with similar services.

If you've heard of AIM or have an AIM account for chatting - that's AOL Instant Message (pretty good, actually).

Otherwise, tody it's exactly how he explained - another free email service.

There is no way he is serious about not knowing what aol is, so I still think he is joking.
 
Bloated bells and whistles that don't amount to much additional functionality, practically zero if you opt for the leaner, but nevertheless 'laborious' path of Market. :D

One last time - Sense is more than a launcher it includes the app suite. The app suite is larger this time and has significantly more features. You have not held this phone in your hand personally, you haven't talked to any pals that you trust that owns one - you don't know what functionality is added.


Your position that Sense is just bloating without adding much functionality does not include allowing any of us to inventory what is new in Sense.

What's new in HTC Watch? The whole thing. Bloat or valuable for many? How much code did it take?

Reviewers really aren't going to detail too much of that.

This phone comes with Sense. Please stop beating this horse to death. You've owned a Hero with Sense, it didn't work out for you. We got it.
 
If he's serious, I've helped, if not, I took the troll bait and the joke's on me. :D :D :D

I just wanted the pain of seeing those three letters to stop! :D ;)

I tend to agree with Early on this one. AOL was from our generation. The younger folk may well not even know what those three letters mean. Case in point, I had completely forgotten all about them until I saw this post. They are a great example of a company that hit the scene, became popular, made a lot of money then lost it all by not following the trends, technology and consumer demand. :rolleyes:
 
"You've got mail!" ~ Sorry had to say it. :p

Anyway, I think the reviews should focus more on reviewing the 3D as a feature of the phone instead of making that single feature the whole review. The more detailed reviews have been reviewing all the features on the Evo3D individually. Those more detailed reviews have been extremely favorable towards the Evo3D as a phone & a smart-device. When reviewing the "3D" as a separate feature most reviews agree the technology is novel but does not affect the operation of the Evo3D as it's first role; A Smartphone.
 
If he's serious, I've helped, if not, I took the troll bait and the joke's on me. :D :D :D

I just wanted the pain of seeing those three letters to stop! :D ;)

:D:D LMAO :D:D
You made my day EarlyMon..
Cant stop laughing LOL

And yea!! im not that old few couple more yrs n hitting the 3rd line lol (if u'll know what i mean)
 
1080p .... means double the storage and data rates to accommodate the exact same movies.
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But in the eye's ability to see detail, the order is: color, contrast, saturation and then finally, coming in at last place - is resolution.
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motion artifacts kill moving picture entertainment.

+infinity.

Show most people the spatial resolution of the chrominance channels by themselves (the UV in YUV, or better yet, the IQ in YIQ STDV broadcasts), and they'd never believe how ridiculously low you could drop the spatial resolution for color and still have our eyes interpret a decent looking image.

Next up: except in brilliant sunlight, the sensor in a phone camera is so small that the number of photons striking it isn't sufficiently high that the increased resolution does any good except add more noise.
 
Do you guys feel we should pursue HTC to give the E3D 1080p support for 2D recording? I really think our phone should have this feature.

Definite YES. We know it'll suck the battery fast, but it's a feature that should be put back on the phone and maybe have a warning for battery consumption or something when you use it, but yes HTC needs to put the feature back on it. They said at CTIA it does 1080p 2D recording, so they need to keep their word.
 
I hope sprint goes with LTE; the sooner the better. In fact I think Sprint realizes they made a mistake with wimax and better switch fast if they are to remain competitive. Verizon and T-Mobile are kicking their rump in terms of 4g availability and download speeds. There are cons with LTE but if you can't get a signal indoors it doesn't give you the option to drain your battery in a jiffy :)

This is another thing that irritates me. Stop it with the "LTE is better sprint needs to ditch wimax" crap. Why would sprint go with LTE? There is no reason to switch from Wimax. If you want LTE go to Verizon or ATT. I have unofficial 4g here in Phoenix and get perfect signal indoors well within the coverage area. 8mbps on average. I live on the edge of the coverage and I can't get on much. Clearwire and others will continue to build out wimax no matter what sprint does because they know Wimax is the future of wireless for cities.

I recommend you educate yourself on the differences before you wish for something that might not be what you think it is.

WiMax phones will not work on LTE, correct?

correct. LTE will replace WiMax, eventually. Sprint is already poised to do a LTE upgrade.

See:
Light Reading Mobile - 4G/LTE - LightSquared Reportedly Seals Sprint Deal - Telecom News Analysis


Edit: sorry for not reading... seems someone already posted a similar story.


LOL LTE is not replacing anything. LTE AND Wimax will be used in the future, in fact LTE advanced and Wimax2 will be the future. WiMax is not going anywhere.

Like I said above educate yourself first.
This is the exact same scenario we went through last year with the Evo 4G vs Epic 4G.

People touted the Epic's great specs and benchmarks, but the Evo was the better pound for pound device. That's still true today after both phones have had a year of firmware updates tweaks and android updates.

Also, Sense is better than Touchwiz, HTC has better quality and support than Samsung, and the performance gap between the Evo3D and Galaxy S2 is much smaller than the gap between the Evo and the Epic, negating the Galaxy S2's main claim to fame.

The Evo experience was never about being the "most powerful smartphone". It's about being more than a smartphone, while the Galaxy S2 experience will have progressed little over the Epic back in 2010.

Sprint and HTC are trying to make the next Wii and PS3 and HDTV in your hand, while Samsung is trying to create the next iPhone before Apple makes it first.


This is kind of what I noticed back when my friends got the Galaxy. They kept bragging about how awesome the Super duper amoled was and how it was so fast blah blah blah but I noticed a much higher satisfaction rate with those with Evos. And I agree about Sense, love it, no comparison to Touchwiz. When I still had Sense I showed my buddies and you could see disappointment in their face when they went back to their galaxy lol.


And its the same Samsung fanboi crap that's going now that really turns me off Samsung.
 
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