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$299 for this phone? Destined to fail.

If I do get the Bionic I was paying full retail anyway. But I feel $299 on contract is a bit much. Just my opinion. :)
 
dirkbonn said:
Found this at UnWireView.com

Motorola Dinara Android superphone arrives this winter with 13 MP camera and HD screen Unwired View

Says Dinara may be going to multiple carriers but was being tested by Verizon.
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This winter could mean March - 6 or 7 months after Bionic. The non-replaceable battery in the Dinara is a deal killer for me. I use the phone as my GPS when Canyoneering (using BackCountry Navigator Pro), and being able to carry a spare battery on a 12 hour hike through remote areas is a big plus.
 
The Steve Austin should rock, though the main reason I bought the D3 now is my concern with the current 45nm LTE chips heat and power drain. Factor in no coverage where I live and no "on the fly" 3g/4g data switching, the D3 will be a sweet bridge until the 28nm chippies that will have on the fly data switching..... Well, Anadtech's contacts say they will.

BTW, the Hackers keyboard rocks. Using it on my Thrive right now :)
 
The biggest surprise for me is that the retail on this thing is under $600 which means that the extra $100 is just the carrier putting that money in its pocket. It makes you wonder if its worth even bothering to get the discounts anymore for contract re-ups.
 
gemini846 said:
The biggest surprise for me is that the retail on this thing is under $600 which means that the extra $100 is just the carrier putting that money in its pocket. It makes you wonder if its worth even bothering to get the discounts anymore for contract re-ups.
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Of course it is worth it, even if you buy a new phone every year that means every 20 months you will get a discounted phone...

Saves you a couple hundred.
 
is it me or is the d3 screen smaller than the sf? they are both supposed to be 4" but that's diagonal. maybe its narrower.
 
Lars said:
is it me or is the d3 screen smaller than the sf? they are both supposed to be 4" but that's diagonal. maybe its narrower.
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D3 is narrower and longer, but I prefer the SFs display dimensions, since more standard for apps. The Bionic has the same display ratio as the D3.
 
thatguy188 said:
How much bigger should a Cell Phone screen be though? I mean, their already getting huge ... if people always want bigger screen we're soon gonna be carrying phones the size of a tablet on our hips.
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The biggest phone size I will get is 4.5". I have big hands so 4.3" is the sweet spot for me...
 
I agree with the comment about the new phones having no quantum leaps forward. The one exception will be NFC (Near Field Communication). That will be a HUGE game changer, and is rumored on some phones by year end. But few merchants have it in place and it will probably be 1-2 years before it's well implemented. So again, the Bionic seems like a great phone for this cycle.
 
Well, Samsung Nexus Prime is coming with a speculated 4.65" screen and Ice Cream Sandwich, which apparently does away with the capacitive buttons. Your wish come true? We'll find out September 1st :)
 
dirkbonn said:
Are you seriously suggesting that google will just close up Motorola Mobility after paying 12-1/2 Billion USD for it?
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Sorry about my confusing comment. I didn't mean Moto will be closed out in Fall. I meant your thoughts that Moto will be ahead of others in dual core/LTE game by 6 months will be proved wrong when others release very potent dual core LTE phones within a few months of Bionic.;)
 
jinwons said:
Sorry about my confusing comment. I didn't mean Moto will be closed out in Fall. I meant your thoughts that Moto will be ahead of others in dual core/LTE game by 6 months will be proved wrong when others release very potent dual core LTE phones within a few months of Bionic.;)
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Seems until 28nm LTE chips are available in mass quantities, everyone is probably on the same level. The smaller fabrication is not expected in mass volume until spring 2012.
 
rushmore said:
Seems until 28nm LTE chips are available in mass quantities, everyone is probably on the same level. The smaller fabrication is not expected in mass volume until spring 2012.
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Unless that is what Moto developed over the past 8 months =P

They did expect to lease it to other companies.
 
rushmore said:
Seems until 28nm LTE chips are available in mass quantities, everyone is probably on the same level. The smaller fabrication is not expected in mass volume until spring 2012.
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Vehtemas said:
Unless that is what Moto developed over the past 8 months =P

They did expect to lease it to other companies.
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This reminds me... The Droid X1 and GS 1 both came with cpu's that were 45nm while the Snapdragon was still using 65nm chips in Android land. Then later in the year the Snapdragon finally went to 45nm. Moto and Samsung were ahead of the curve in that dept.

I wonder did Moto do the same thing with their LTE chip? Reviews and tech breakdowns hopefully will shed some light into it. Will be hoping Anandtech does a thorough review of the Bionic.

Those that are wondering...the Galaxy S Tab 10.1 uses a VIA LTE chip, and if I remember correctly the Droid Charge uses it too. Wonder what the Revolution uses?
 
jroc said:
This reminds me... The Droid X1 and GS 1 both came with cpu's that were 45nm while the Snapdragon was still using 65nm chips in Android land. Then later in the year the Snapdragon finally went to 45nm. Moto and Samsung were ahead of the curve in that dept.

I wonder did Moto do the same thing with their LTE chip? Reviews and tech breakdowns hopefully will shed some light into it. Will be hoping Anandtech does a thorough review of the Bionic.

Those that are wondering...the Galaxy S Tab 10.1 uses a VIA LTE chip, and if I remember correctly the Droid Charge uses it too. Wonder what the Revolution uses?
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LG has their own chip, the L2000.. its the same one used in the USB modem.

AnandTech - LG Revolution: LTE for the Masses

You can see it here: http://images.anandtech.com/doci/4450/LGRevoPCB_575px.png

It's huge.. almost certainly 45nm..

By comparison.. here are the board pics for the Bionic:
https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas...me=N&application_id=805726&fcc_id='IHDT56MX1' (click internal photos)

Zoom in a bit and you can see the only Motorola chip on the board, and it looks smaller than the L2000 or the CMC2200 used in the Droid Charge (fyi, only the 1x/EVDO baseband on the Charge is VIA)

Droid Charge: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4465/samsung-droid-charge-review-droid-goes-lte/5

Just something to chew on...
 
I don't think we will see next gen 28mm LTE chips in any phone this year. Dual core LTE from HTC, LG coming later this year is probably using Qualcomm MDM9600. And Samsung Celox is using the same CMC2200 LTE chip as in Charger, Tab 10.1. Moto has developed their own for Bionic too. But these are all first gen LTE chips, not integrated into AP. They will probably announce phones using integrated 28mm second gen LTE at CES 2012
 
jinwons said:
I don't think we will see next gen 28mm LTE chips in any phone this year. Dual core LTE from HTC, LG coming later this year is probably using Qualcomm MDM9600. And Samsung Celox is using the same CMC2200 LTE chip as in Charger, Tab 10.1. Moto has developed their own for Bionic too. But these are all first gen LTE chips, not integrated into AP. They will probably announce phones using integrated 28mm second gen LTE at CES 2012
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Where did this conception come up that they can ONLY come out next year?
 
Vehtemas said:
Where did this conception come up that they can ONLY come out next year?
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He never says *only* - read his post again - Specifically,

jinwons said:
I don't think we will see next gen 28mm LTE chips in any phone this year. Dual core LTE from HTC, LG coming later this year is probably using Qualcomm MDM9600. And Samsung Celox is using the same CMC2200 LTE chip as in Charger, Tab 10.1. Moto has developed their own for Bionic too. But these are all first gen LTE chips, not integrated into AP. They will probably announce phones using integrated 28mm second gen LTE at CES 2012
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Vehtemas said:
Where did this conception come up that they can ONLY come out next year?
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Not sure how you read my post. What I said is based on this.
Qualcomm's upcoming snapdragon 8960 (4th gen snapdragon) is the first AP of this kind with integrated 28nm LTE. It will start sampling this Fall. So that means phones using it will be out next year. But this doesn't keep manufacturers from releasing dual core/first gen LTE phones this year including Bionic, Celox.
 
jinwons said:
Not sure how you read my post. What I said is based on this.
Qualcomm's upcoming snapdragon 8960 (4th gen snapdragon) is the first AP of this kind with integrated 28nm LTE. It will start sampling this Fall. So that means phones using it will be out next year. But this doesn't keep manufacturers from releasing dual core/first gen LTE phones this year including Bionic, Celox.
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First of all to both of the above repliers I never meant it for Jin only, I meant it in regards to pretty much everyone.

Everyone talking about these smaller LTE chips keep saying it will be next year.
 
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